kobe comments on his game last night

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]i totally disagree about 06, but that isn't the point really is it....

kobe has a legit team around him. he has the best frontcourt in the game. no excuses. pass the ball. stop making things complicated. at least get it inside yourself.

my god....drive and kick. get to the wing post. do something other than take long jumpers....[/QUOTE]

i will be waiting to hear your thoughts after a game this season where gasol and or bynum loses them the game off kobe passes. i hope you say kobe played it perfectly. that is all.

[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]lol thank you. its just another possibility. im ignoring the fact that gasol could have potentially scored every play because hes amazing and was guarded by some scrub for the sake of my point but at the end of the day i honestly believe its still a gamble. Its always a gamble... and i think kobe loses no matter how he plays it.

If he shoots and wins, he was selfish
If he shoots and misses, he was selfish
If he passes to gasol in this case and wins, he got carried by his teammates and he was useless
If he passes to gasol in this case and loses, he was sulking to prove a point instead of taking over

i mean it cant be so black and white.. I've literally heard and seen all 4 of those scenarios multiple times btw[/QUOTE]


but you act like the game is harder for kobe than everyone else....why is that? could it be that kobe is more selfish than most other players?

a gamble for what? its a bad gamble to continue to take long jumpers when you have two 7 footers.

this shit just never ends really. first it was kobe refusing to feed shaq and trying to freeze him out. caused huge rifts on the lakers in 03 and 04. then its kobe having "statement games" in which he just chooses to check out and not shoot at all to prove a point.

now its "I do my thing not matter what" and we play off that.

he needs to grow the **** up.....its sad, but he still does.

[QUOTE=The_Yearning]I'm surprised he didn't stick around in the arena to practice his shots after the game. This game is reminiscent of how he lost in Miami last year.[/QUOTE]

Instead he watched film with Mike Brown on the plane.

The pattern is incredible. Play-up every twist and sprain before the game, make the entire game about Kobe shooting all sorts of difficult shots that will make people ooh and ahh if they go in (regardless of what the teams game plan is to try and win, thats irrelevent) then when he gets called out he does something phony afterwards to draw more attention and make ppl say "oh hes such a competitor and hard worker"

If he didnt play in LA, every Laker fan would think hes a totally overrated diva selfish bum. And not just cuz hed be a rival player but bc of who he is. But their dumb blind loyalty to a jersey and a social group makes them worshiP him like lil sheep morons.

(yawn):rolleyes:

[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]i will be waiting to hear your thoughts after a game this season where gasol and or bynum loses them the game off kobe passes. i hope you say kobe played it perfectly. that is all.[/QUOTE]

it also depends on how kobe plays. if he sits there and only throws entry passes for 48 minutes then i'll question what he's doing.

again, you are making my point. why does it have to be 28 shots or 11 shots. why can't he just play the damn game of basketball and stop complicating things.

kobe's entire fanbase has literally adopted his personality. so damn stubborn. the guy goes 6 of 28 and blows in crunch time and you'd think his teammates where the washington generals with the excuses that are thrown out here...

[QUOTE=FourthTenor]Heal uP properly for a couple months and come back healthy for the playoffs?

Nah, Kobes got an all-time scoring ladder to keep climbin up. You know those personal achievements always come first with Kobe above the team stuff.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

If Kobe is all about personal achievements, then why does he have 5 rings? I know people like to act like having 5 rings is such an insignificant accomplishment (God knows why), but it's the damn truth. If Kobe is so detrimental to the team, there's no way in hell he would have multiple rings.

**** man, why am I even responding to you? I know you're just going resort to the same bullshit. You're just gonna tell me I've been brainwashed by ESPN and the L.A media even though I don't watch ESPN and I don't live anywhere near L.A.

[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]but would he be criticized in that game 7 vs phx if smush parker wasnt passing up open 3s and instead dropped 20 pts? if kwame caught the ball a few times?

hindsight guys... hindsight.. the game before that he scored 50 and they lost. this balance you speak of is reliant on the teammates not kobe. i really believe that.[/QUOTE]

Look I'm not going to get into if he did it on purpose or what but if you go completely passive to the point you're passing up multiple open looks, not creating, not doing anything but standing on the perimeter and passing it to the next guy...you're not helping your team and that's what he did in the second half of game 7. You have a legit gripe if you want to talk about the first half, but it was the second half when he checked out. You coulda taken him out and replaced him with a scrub at that point time.

Now coming back to the present, this balance I speak of, it is completely reliant on Kobe because he's the one whose got the ball most of the time. Gasol & Drew won't get it if Kobe doesn't give it up. It's fine to chuck when you have Smush Parker and Kwame Brown to pass to. No one holds that against him. It's something completely different to do that when you have Pau Gasol and Bynum to pass to, especially when they're towering over midgets. I'm not asking for rocket science, just simple common sense bastketball.

[QUOTE=FourthTenor]Instead he watched film with Mike Brown on the plane.

The pattern is incredible. Play-up every twist and sprain before the game, make the entire game about Kobe shooting all sorts of difficult shots that will make people ooh and ahh if they go in (regardless of what the teams game plan is to try and win, thats irrelevent) then when he gets called out he does something funny afterwards to draw more attention and make ppl say "oh hes such a competitor and hard worker"

If he didnt play in LA, every Laker fan would think hes a totally overrated diva selfish bum. And not just cuz hed be a rival player but bc of who he is. But their dumb blind loyalty to a jersey and a social group makes them worshiP him like lil sheep morons.[/QUOTE]
why does everyone need to hate the overrated diva selfish bum
i like kobe even though i know he's a diva selfish bum and i'm not a lakers fan

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]it also depends on how kobe plays. if he sits there and only throws entry passes for 48 minutes then i'll question what he's doing.

again, you are making my point. why does it have to be 28 shots or 11 shots. why can't he just play the damn game of basketball and stop complicating things.

kobe's entire fanbase has literally adopted his personality. so damn stubborn. the guy goes 6 of 28 and blows in crunch time and you'd think his teammates where the washington generals with the excuses that are thrown out here...[/QUOTE]


it doesnt have to be 28 or 11.. but if its 28 its a problem, its 11 its a problem. the only way its not a problem is if he passes to them when they would have made the shot, and takes the shot and makes it when if he had passed and they would have missed. thats the only way for him to play a good game lol.

for others its easier because people dont care about them as much. bron and kobe get raped by this , dirk and kg for example dont because no one is comparing them to memories of how you felt about MJ when you were a 15 yr old boy.

[QUOTE=Heavincent]:facepalm

If Kobe is all about personal achievements, then why does he have 5 rings? I know people like to act like having 5 rings is such an insignificant accomplishment (God knows why), but it's the damn truth. If Kobe is so detrimental to the team, there's no way in hell he would have multiple rings.

**** man, why am I even responding to you? I know you're just going resort to the same bullshit. You're just gonna tell me I've been brainwashed by ESPN and the L.A media even though I don't watch ESPN and I don't live anywhere near L.A.[/QUOTE]


It's so funny how he sits there prattling on and on about how Laker/Kobe fans have supposedly been brainwashed by the media, but yet has to come on here PRETENDING to be a fan of another team when he's really a bandwagon Lebron fan. And everything he says really applies to himself. This will work about as well as his pathetic Kobe's faking the wrist injury hot garbage did:facepalm

[QUOTE=shadow] It's fine to chuck when you have Smush Parker and Kwame Brown to pass to. [/QUOTE]

this is definitely not in agreement with what ive read on these forums

[QUOTE=LakersReign]It's so funny how he sits there prattling on and on about how Laker/Kobe fans have supposedly been brainwashed by the media, but yet has to come on here PRETENDING to be a fan of another team when he's really a bandwagon Lebron fan. And everything he says really applies to himself. This will work about as well as his pathetic Kobe's faking the wrist injury hot garbage did:facepalm[/QUOTE]

Cause he's like a rebel dude! He's fighting "the man"! :rockon:

Kind of pathetic how hard he tries to be different and rebellious.

[QUOTE=Heavincent]:facepalm

If Kobe is all about personal achievements, then why does he have 5 rings? I know people like to act like having 5 rings is such an insignificant accomplishment (God knows why), but it's the damn truth. If Kobe is so detrimental to the team, there's no way in hell he would have multiple rings.

**** man, why am I even responding to you? I know you're just going resort to the same bullshit. You're just gonna tell me I've been brainwashed by ESPN and the L.A media even though I don't watch ESPN and I don't live anywhere near L.A.[/QUOTE]

Lebron, Wade, Howard, CP3 have all led a team with insignificant supporting casts to at least one playoff victory by being great all aroun players.

Kobes ability to score taking lots of shots never did that. The three years he played without stacked teams resulted in first round punkings. Hes not a leader, not a team player, and wouldnt be a winner if he werent spoiled by such a great franchise.

All things equal i take bron, wade, howard, cp3 and obviously shaq and duncan ahead of kobe in their primes.

Just tell the truth Kobe. Bynum had a great game, and you wanted to prove it was your team.



If Kobe doesn't learn to defer as he ages, the Lakers won't sniff another NBA Finals until he's retired.

o man this forum is about to get a whole lot better after i put tenor on ignore