Why is Kobe considered inefficient?

[QUOTE=chazzy][url]http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/34940/look-whos-shooting-now[/url][/QUOTE]


Henry Abbott an NBA analyst?? :rolleyes:

Come on son, you got to do better than that....:no:

Just compare Kobe's FG shooting and FT shooting in 2009 to 2005...

That's all you need to know on how RETARDED TS % is... :no:

[QUOTE=bwink23]Henry Abbott an NBA analyst?? :rolleyes:

Come on son, you got to do better than that....:no:[/QUOTE]
What the f*ck does he do for a living then?

[QUOTE=chazzy]What the f*ck does he do for a living then?[/QUOTE]
pornstar, he goes by the name of johnny sins

[QUOTE=Glide2keva]No moron. Those are great shooting stats from the field. I can look at his 3's if I want his percentage there. Same with FT"s. I don't need a lumped together stat that hides bad shooting from the floor and is boosted by FT's. I like to know what he actually did.

Are you asking if he hit 100% of his shots from 3, or what if he took all of his shots from three? If he hit them then he was shooting well from the floor overall. What's the problem?

They don't need to evolve if the game is still the same. You can't use stats that are lumped together for a game like basketball. Baseball? Sure because everyone gets the same amount of at-bats, and they all have to play defense. There is a measurable amount of data that can be broken down in many different ways because there aren't too many variables from game to game.

Basketball is too nuanced for that. Every game is very different than the game before and they all have their own ebb and flow. That's where you stat nerds get it messed up.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, so that's why the more successful front offices have been leveraging advanced stats for years now.

:facepalm :facepalm

[QUOTE=chazzy]What the f*ck does he do for a living then?[/QUOTE]


[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtLw6MPXZrM[/url]

Listen to the beginning....he's nothing more than a stat nerd himself....when did he ever pick up an NBA basketball, or coach an NBA team??

Put the advanced stats in the garbage NERD.

[QUOTE=28renyoy]Shot selection is part of being a great scorer. LeBron and Durant rarely take the shots Bryant does because they're sub 40% shots that just hurt their teams.[/QUOTE]
And how many rings have those two collected with the high percentage shots they've taken?

[QUOTE=pegasus]Had Kobe not taken all of those last second end of quarter shots, he would have averaged almost exactly the same but shot about .025 better.

He took 22138 shots in his 1135-game career. He probably takes 2 of those shots every game, but let's just say he takes 1. That means he could have averaged the same number of points by taking 22138-1135= 21003 shots while making the same amount of baskets, which is 10052. His FG% goes up to .479, which is very good for a volume scorer.

That would have also increased his 3 point % to .440, assuming 90% of those last second shots were 3 pointers, which is very likely.[B]Don't even tell me that he hasn't taken those shots throughout his entire career, and you damn well know there are certain players who won't take those shots even if their lives depended on.[/B][/QUOTE]

See tonight's game. Right before the buzzer Lebron passed the ball to Joel fuc*king Anthony at the half court:facepalm And Evans just made a half court shot at the end of the 1st quarter.

This is why Kobe is a winner, and Lebron is a perpetual loser

The flaws in TS% are so easy to pick out it's pathetic...

The lower the FG/FT ratio, the higher the TS%....LOL at the fools who think certain players force the action into where they get a higher amount of FT's to FG's....REFS play a bigger part in that than they do.

Apparently TS% lovers like to cite Chauncy Billups....why, cuz he gets more FTs to FGs than most players....:rolleyes:

PLEASE, save your bullcrap for retarded people. :violin:

[QUOTE=StateOfMind12]TS% also factors in the amount of shots one has taken from the field including FTs. I know you don't like TS% so we can just agree to disagree in this case.

Kobe scored more points in '05 than he did in '09 with less FGA and more FTA. That's why his TS% was higher. Like I said, being a better scorer goes beyond just who scores more ppg and has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS% though.[/QUOTE]

I think it depends on your definition of a scorer.

There are players who could score a lot more, but choose not to. It's hard to tell which players could do this since it doesn't really come up in stats I don't think, you just have to watch the games.

There's players who score efficiently.

There's players who score anywhere from the floor.

And there's players that could just get points up on the board, like Iverson or something.

Of course I think that putting up points with a certain amount of efficiency is a good indication of who is the best scorer, but everyone has their own interpretation.

On topic:

Kobe's been ok in terms of being efficient. He was a little bit below league average I think? You can argue is because he shot at a high volume, and he was a perimeter player. Nowadays tho, there are a lot of perimeter players who could score a bunch of points with more efficiency. Regardless, Kobe stayed consistent of his average efficiency. lol

[QUOTE=bwink23]Here's a prime example how FT's (officiating) affects TS%:


2005 Kobe Bryant = 56.3% TS%.

2009 Kobe Bryant = 56.1% TS%.....:facepalm

2005 Bryant = 43.3%FG, 33.9% 3's, 81.6%FT..
2009 Bryant = 46.7%FG, 35.1% 3's, 85.6%FT.. :wtf:

Now who here would argue that Kobe was better during the 2005 season vs. 2009?? I would hope NO ONE, if your smart.

How does Kobe shoot better in every aspect of shooting, but have a WORSE TS%??

Easy, FT's.....2005 = 10.1 FT's a game....2009 = 6.9 FT's a game.

This more than proves how TS % is absolute GARBAGE when judging a players scoring efficiency....

If your shooting better in every aspect of scoring across the board....you were a better shooter that year, PERIOD>[/QUOTE]


There's a difference to being the better shooter and the better scorer.

For example Steve Novak vs Lebron James.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster]There's a difference to being the better shooter and the better scorer.

For example Steve Novak vs Lebron James.[/QUOTE]


But we are talking about the SAME SCORER here....Kobe shot the ball all year long better in 2009 than in 2005...

I don't give 2 shits what the TS% says about that...if you take X-amount of FG's, FTs and 3's in a season and shoot better than another season across the board...You sure as hell were the more efficient scorer. Period.

[QUOTE=bwink23]The flaws in TS% are so easy to pick out it's pathetic...

The lower the FG/FT ratio, the higher the TS%....LOL at the fools who think certain players force the action into where they get a higher amount of FT's to FG's....REFS play a bigger part in that than they do.

Apparently TS% lovers like to cite Chauncy Billups....why, cuz he gets more FTs to FGs than most players....:rolleyes:

PLEASE, save your bullcrap for retarded people. :violin:[/QUOTE]

You should try and coach a basketball team and use the philosophy "free throws are random" and see how far you get.

bitchwink23 still failing.

[QUOTE=bwink23]But we are talking about the SAME SCORER here....Kobe shot the ball all year long better in 2009 than in 2005...

I don't give 2 shits what the TS% says about that...if you take X-amount of FG's, FTs and 3's in a season and shoot better than another season across the board...You sure as hell were the more efficient scorer. Period.[/QUOTE]

You're wrong, FT/FG(free throw rate) is very important because there's a direct correlation between amount of free throws shot and games won.

Even though you're talking about the same scorer he was still a better shooter one year, and a better scorer the other.