And then Pippen did this...

[QUOTE=bizil]Magic clearly showed he was an alpha dog! He showed that his rookie year with 42 points, 15 boards, and 7 dimes winning a title. He stepped up for Kareem in a way Pippen NEVER could! Magic was a pass first PG who could turn into an alpha dog and takeover a game scoring. U are correct about Russell. But Russell has such an insane amount of rings and revolutionized the center position. So that's why he's regarded a top 6-7 GOAT of all time. I tend to even think that Russell is slightly overrated. Peak value wise at best I have Russell number 10 amongst centers. Give me Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Hakeem, Moses, David, Ewing, Walton, and McAdoo over Russell. And to be frank, guys like Bellamy, Howard, Zo, Thurmond, and Gilmore peak value wise I would maybe consider over Russell as well.

I don't overvalue scoring. Whoever has the most points, runs, or goals in a game WINS THE GAME! ITS THE ONLY STAT THAT GUARANTEES A WIN 100% OF THE TIME! So their is ALWAYS a premium for scoring at EVERY POSITION other than PG. In other words if needed, these guys can go off for 40 or 50 points when needed. Or they can score 10-15 consecutive points and go on a tear. Or they can have 15 points going into the fourth quarter and end up with 30 points at the end of the game. Or if anything u tell everybody else GET THE HELL OUT THE WAY and they takeover. Pip never had these moments consistently enough to be considered a true blue number one option. And even most of the GOAT PG's are known to carry teams and go on scoring binges CONSISTENTLY.


When it comes to McHale vs. Pippen, GOAT wise Pip might rank higher. In terms of peak value, I would rather have McHale. McHale has arguably the best back to basket game of all time, could play and defend three positions, and he also had a very good faceup midrange game. McHale is one of the most versatile Power Forwards of all time. He was way more versatile than guys like Petitt, Malone, Dave D, Hayes, etc. It takes guys like a Barkley, Webber, KG, or Duncan to top McHale in that aspect. And when u throw in his defensive versatility, that number even gets lower.[/QUOTE]
So aside from that game that magic scored 42 points, how many games has he (magic) taken over offensively?

[QUOTE=97 bulls]So aside from that game that magic scored 42 points, how many games has he (magic) taken over offensively?[/QUOTE]


Magic Johson averaged 23.9ppg in 1987, with 21 games over 30 points, and 3 games over 40...here are his POINTS-ASSISTS combos from those games:

34-12, 30-9, 31-8, 34-9, 34-15, 38-16, 46-9, 30-15, 32-14, 38-7, 31-12, 42-7, 40-7, 39-10, 37-16, 31-19, 33-19, 31-13, 34-13, 35-11, 31-8....

21 games averaging 34.8ppg and 11.9 assists, from a PASS-FIRST guard...i'm sure he "took over a game offensively" in there somewhere...

Could you PLEASE stop comparing Pippen to Magic Johnson, it's pathetic.

[QUOTE=bwink23]Magic Johson averaged 23.9ppg in 1987, with 21 games over 30 points, and 3 games over 40...here are his POINTS-ASSISTS combos from those games:

34-12, 30-9, 31-8, 34-9, 34-15, 38-16, 46-9, 30-15, 32-14, 38-7, 31-12, 42-7, 40-7, 39-10, 37-16, 31-19, 33-19, 31-13, 34-13, 35-11, 31-8....

21 games averaging 34.8ppg and 11.9 assists, from a PASS-FIRST guard...i'm sure he "took over a game offensively" in there somewhere...

Could you PLEASE stop comparing Pippen to Magic Johnson, it's pathetic.[/QUOTE]
So if I were to go back and just pick out all of pippens 30 pt games would that make him better in your eyes?

[QUOTE=97 bulls]So if I were to go back and just pick out all of pippens 30 pt games would that make him better in your eyes?[/QUOTE]


Take any season of pippens and pluck out the 30-point games and assists and let's compare.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]So if I were to go back and just pick out all of pippens 30 pt games would that make him better in your eyes?[/QUOTE]


30-point games from Pippen by year...

1992 = 3
1993 = 3
1994= 8
1995 = 10
1996= 7
1997 = 8

Total = 39 in 6 years.

Magic Johnson from 1986-1991:

1986 = 6
1987 = 21
1988 = 5
1989 = 12
1990 = 14
1991 = 9

Total = 67 in 6 years....and the assists are NOT EVEN CLOSE.

[QUOTE=bwink23]Take any season of pippens and pluck out the 30-point games and assists and let's compare.[/QUOTE]
I didn't ask you that.

[QUOTE=bwink23]30-point games from Pippen by year...

1992 = 3
1993 = 3
1994= 8
1995 = 10
1996= 7
1997 = 8

Total = 39 in 6 years.

Magic Johnson from 1986-1991:

1986 = 6
1987 = 21
1988 = 5
1989 = 12
1990 = 14
1991 = 9

Total = 67 in 6 years....and the assists are NOT EVEN CLOSE.[/QUOTE]
1st the offense the laker ran and the offense the bulls ran is totally different

2nd the era magic played in and the era pippen played in were totally different

3rd-10th pippen played with jordan.

[QUOTE=bwink23]30-point games from Pippen by year...

1992 = 3
1993 = 3
1994= 8
1995 = 10
1996= 7
1997 = 8

Total = 39 in 6 years.

Magic Johnson from 1986-1991:

1986 = 6
1987 = 21
1988 = 5
1989 = 12
1990 = 14
1991 = 9

Total = 67 in 6 years....and the assists are NOT EVEN CLOSE.[/QUOTE]

Not to mention that Magic's scoring efficiency destroys Pippen's.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]1st the offense the laker ran and the offense the bulls ran is totally different

2nd the era magic played in and the era pippen played in were totally different

3rd-10th pippen played with jordan.[/QUOTE]


Pippen is not the offensive player Magic Johnson was....GET OVER IT.

[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]Not to mention that Magic's scoring efficiency destroys Pippen's.[/QUOTE]
You gonna go that route? Pippen played in a better defensive era. Context bro.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]You gonna go that route? Pippen played in a better defensive era. Context bro.[/QUOTE]

1991 - Magic 19.4 ppg/62.3% TS, Pippen 17.8 ppg/56.1% TS

No context needed. Magic was just a vastly more efficient scorer than Pippen at equal or better volume.

[QUOTE=bwink23]Pippen is not the offensive player Magic Johnson was....GET OVER IT.[/QUOTE]
Magic is worthless as a defender. Get over it.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]You gonna go that route? Pippen played in a better defensive era. Context bro.[/QUOTE]


Pippen played in 88, 89, 90, 91, as well....Pippen isn't fit to carry Magic Johnson's jock strap. Magic came back for a little while a shell of his former self in 1996 and did this per 36 minutes:

17.6ppg, 6.9 rebs, 8.3 assists, 37.9% from 3, and 46.6% from the field...at 36 years old and 5 years removed from the game, from the POWER FORWARD position.....:facepalm

Stop putting Pippen on Magic's level, your embarassing yourself.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]Magic is worthless as a defender. Get over it.[/QUOTE]


there's nothing Scottie can do defensively that puts him in the category of Magic OR Bird for that matter....GET OVER IT.

[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]1991 - Magic 19.4 ppg/62.3% TS, Pippen 17.8 ppg/56.1% TS

No context needed. Magic was just a vastly more efficient scorer than Pippen at equal or better volume.[/QUOTE]
Different offense. And ts greatly awards fts.