Re: Was Scottie Pippen at least once robbed for Defensive Player of the Year?
1995 Pippen was robbed for sure. That was the greatest defensive season ever for a wing player. Anchored Bulls to the #2 ranked defense despite having three worse than average defenders leading the team in minutes (Kukoc, BJ, Steve Kerr) and an out of shape Michael Jordan playing just 18 games.
Re: Was Scottie Pippen at least once robbed for Defensive Player of the Year?
I'm one of those guys that thinks it's a joke when perimeter players get DPOY as they never actually deserve them. Like Gary Payton? If we're talking about impact he wasn't even close to top 10. The DPOY of the year in 96 should have been David Robinson. Pippen was 2 in voting, but he shouldn't have won either. David Robinson basically had the Spurs at 3 on defense all by himself. You know how that's true? When he played 8 games in 97 they dropped to DEAD LAST. Having said that, Scottie Pippen actually DID deserve the DPOY in 95. He carried the bulls defense like no perimeter player ever had. Jordan and Grant were the other 2 best defensive players on Bulls during the first threepeat and he had neither and he had them at 2nd in defense while putting up 3spg and a block. He also led the league in drating. Of course, they gave it to Mutombo who averaged a lot of blocks despite the Nuggets being 13th in defense. It was a complete joke. It becomes an even bigger joke when weaker defenders like Payton and Artest were given the DPOY.
Re: Was Scottie Pippen at least once robbed for Defensive Player of the Year?
[QUOTE]1995 Pippen was robbed for sure. That was the greatest defensive season ever for a wing player. Anchored Bulls to the #2 ranked defense despite having three worse than average defenders leading the team in minutes (Kukoc, BJ, Steve Kerr) and an out of shape Michael Jordan playing just 18 games.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
[QUOTE=97 bulls;13993732]91 Finals game 2 vs Magic
92 Finals when he shut down Drexler in game 6
98 Finals Game 4
98 ECF when he shut down Mark Jackson
As far as plays?
The multiple game saving blocks on Charles Smith
The game saving steal vs the Jazz in 97 that won the Bulls the Chip
The Block vs Danny Ainge to save Game 4 of the 93 NBA Finals. To name a few.[/QUOTE]
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Just because this isn't replayed 24/7 doesn't mean it wasn't important.
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Re: Was Scottie Pippen at least once robbed for Defensive Player of the Year?
[QUOTE=97 bulls;13993732]91 Finals game 2 vs Magic
92 Finals when he shut down Drexler in game 6
98 Finals Game 4
98 ECF when he shut down Mark Jackson
As far as plays?
The multiple game saving blocks on Charles Smith
The game saving steal vs the Jazz in 97 that won the Bulls the Chip
The Block vs Danny Ainge to save Game 4 of the 93 NBA Finals. To name a few.[/QUOTE]
That guy has Jordan goggles and only sees through them I guess, what ignorant questions he asked. Mark Jackson was scared shitless of Scottie Pippen by game 7 ECF.
Re: Was Scottie Pippen at least once robbed for Defensive Player of the Year?
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;13993766]Agreed.
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Just because this isn't replayed 24/7 doesn't mean it wasn't important.
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One more notable defensive playoff for Pip. Scottie Pippen is 1 of only 2 players in history (Olajuwan being the other) to record 5 or more blocks and 5 steals in 1 playoff game when he had 6 steals and 5 blocks vs the Bad Boy Pistons in the 91 ECF game 1
Re: Was Scottie Pippen at least once robbed for Defensive Player of the Year?
[QUOTE=3ball;13993699]Where are Pippen's legendary defensive plays like MJ, lebron or tayshaun has?
Where are his signature shut-downs as the primary defender?
Why did the Bulls only rank 7th defensively for the 1st three-peat?? And worse than 4 of 6 ECF/Finals opponents?
The answer to these questions is are the same - Pippen is a vastly overrated defender[/QUOTE]
I don't know why you have this agenda against Pippen? It just makes you Jordan fans look insecure and it also makes it look like you just looked at raw boxscore stats without watching the actual games. Even Jordan said it himself "you can't say my name without saying Scottie Pippen".
Also, there's something called "synergy" that is very important in basketball and that's what Jordan\Pippen had at GOAT level, which is far more important than this "carrying to titles" agenda you have.
Re: Was Scottie Pippen at least once robbed for Defensive Player of the Year?
Now that I think about it, theres not very many players that have had more notable defensive plays and games as Pippen. Definitely not wing players. Hes just overshadowed by Jordan.
Re: Was Scottie Pippen at least once robbed for Defensive Player of the Year?
[QUOTE=HBK_Kliq_2;13993835]I don't know why you have this agenda against Pippen? It just makes you Jordan fans look insecure and it also makes it look like you just looked at raw boxscore stats without watching the actual games. Even Jordan said it himself "you can't say my name without saying Scottie Pippen".
Also, there's something called "synergy" that is very important in basketball and that's what Jordan\Pippen had at GOAT level, which is far more important than this "carrying to titles" agenda you have.[/QUOTE]
lol Clearly you are not familiar with our dear friend 3ball. He is mentally deranged.
Re: Was Scottie Pippen at least once robbed for Defensive Player of the Year?
[QUOTE=HBK_Kliq_2;13993835]I don't know why you have this agenda against Pippen? It just makes you Jordan fans look insecure and it also makes it look like you just looked at raw boxscore stats without watching the actual games. Even Jordan said it himself "you can't say my name without saying Scottie Pippen".
Also, there's something called "synergy" that is very important in basketball and that's what Jordan\Pippen had at GOAT level, which is far more important than this "carrying to titles" agenda you have.[/QUOTE]
Great points :applause:
Re: Was Scottie Pippen at least once robbed for Defensive Player of the Year?
[QUOTE=97 bulls;13993834]One more notable defensive playoff for Pip. Scottie Pippen is 1 of only 2 players in history (Olajuwan being the other) to record 5 or more blocks and 5 steals in 1 playoff game when he had 6 steals and 5 blocks vs the Bad Boy Pistons in the 91 ECF game 1[/QUOTE]
He also averaged nearly 2 blocks per game in the 1997 finals, how many wing players have done that for a final series.
Re: Was Scottie Pippen at least once robbed for Defensive Player of the Year?
[QUOTE=pauk;7346436]My brain simply can NOT percieve the thought of such a viciously awesome defender (perhaps the greatest perimeter defender and most versatile defender ever) never winning Defensive Player of the Year...
Was it just because of competition maybe? Afterall Hakeem, Dikembe, Robinson, Jordan, Rodman and Payton were around....?
What are your thoughts on this?[/QUOTE]
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10 time all defensive team (current NBA , anyone near that ? )
Re: Was Scottie Pippen at least once robbed for Defensive Player of the Year?
[QUOTE=Smoke117;13993764]I'm one of those guys that thinks it's a joke when perimeter players get DPOY as they never actually deserve them. Like Gary Payton? If we're talking about impact he wasn't even close to top 10. The DPOY of the year in 96 should have been David Robinson. Pippen was 2 in voting, but he shouldn't have won either. David Robinson basically had the Spurs at 3 on defense all by himself. You know how that's true? When he played 8 games in 97 they dropped to DEAD LAST. Having said that, Scottie Pippen actually DID deserve the DPOY in 95. He carried the bulls defense like no perimeter player ever had. Jordan and Grant were the other 2 best defensive players on Bulls during the first threepeat and he had neither and he had them at 2nd in defense while putting up 3spg and a block. He also led the league in drating. Of course, they gave it to Mutombo who averaged a lot of blocks despite the Nuggets being 13th in defense. It was a complete joke. It becomes an even bigger joke when weaker defenders like Payton and Artest were given the DPOY.[/QUOTE]
[B]This [/B] :applause:
Re: Was Scottie Pippen at least once robbed for Defensive Player of the Year?
[QUOTE=HBK_Kliq_2;13993835]I don't know why you have this agenda against Pippen? It just makes you Jordan fans look insecure and it also makes it look like you just looked at raw boxscore stats without watching the actual games. Even Jordan said it himself "you can't say my name without saying Scottie Pippen".
Also, there's something called "synergy" that is very important in basketball and that's what Jordan\Pippen had at GOAT level, which is far more important than this "carrying to titles" agenda you have.[/QUOTE]
MJ stans are insecure about MJ. They think if people recognize MJ had a great team with a great second superstar and other greats like Rodman that somehow diminishes or even negates MJ's greatness. It is lunacy but here we are and it only gets worse as the years go by.
Re: Was Scottie Pippen at least once robbed for Defensive Player of the Year?
Playoff Defensive Rating
Pip = 102
LBJ = 102
MJ = 104 :(
Re: Was Scottie Pippen at least once robbed for Defensive Player of the Year?
Awards don't mean much - Ron Harper was doing hard work for 2nd three peat & Jordan kept making all defense teams.