Why do some fans rank Kobe Bryant ahead of Tim Duncan?

[QUOTE=chazzy]He's not. The Spurs are a juggernaut offensive team with Parker running the show. He's clearly the 2nd best player though.[/QUOTE]

Best player in the Clippers series :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Artillery]If Kobe had Duncan's demeanor, he never would have ran Shaq/Jackson out of LA in '04. If Kobe had Duncan's demeanor, LA probably wins against Detroit in the '04 Finals(Kobe's ballhog mentality would be replaced by Duncan's team first mentality).[/QUOTE]

Is Duncan a master mediator who can negotiate on behalf on Shaq and Jackson when it comes to money and the Buss family?

The awkward truth about the 04 Finals is that Kobe was the Lakers 2nd most efficient scorer after Shaq. So unless Duncan is planning on inspiring Shaq to score 80 pts a game, he's not going to help :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=BlackVVaves]Kobe has owned Duncan in the playoffs since Shaq left town. [/QUOTE]

Nash's team have owned Kobe's teams in the playoffs. Nash is clearly>>>>>Bryant

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[QUOTE=BlackVVaves]And, his last two rings as the undisputed Alpha, number option, on the team, are weighted heavier than Duncan's last one (and possibly two, if the Spurs go on to win a ring this year) when looking at the surrounding role players on the team. Parker, Ginobli, Bowen, and their entire roster from 2-10 this year, > Gasol and Bynum. [/QUOTE]

Duncan was the only All-NBA player on the 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007 Spurs teams. He was clearly the best player. Compare that to Kobe having another All-NBA teammate on every one of his championship teams(Shaq for 00-02, Gasol '09-'10)

And lol at being weighed heavier. Gasol's win shares were higher than Kobe's throughout the 2010 playoffs. Their PERs was nearly identical. Duncan PER and win shares were well ahead of anyone else on the 2007 Spurs.

Some fans also think Kobe > Jordan :facepalm

These are almost always kids who started watching basketball in the 2000s and have no clue how much Jordan DOMINATED in an era that played true physical basketball.

This thread again.
Kobe can be compared to Wade, Lebron, TMAC, Barkley, Iverson, Dirk, KG, Malone and other second tier greats.
The dude won rings with the most dominant player ever. Then won with the best team in the league. He never once came close to doing what Tim did In 03. Not even close. Not even in the same neighborhood of close.
Stop arguing with Kobestans for the love of God.

[QUOTE=swi7ch]Some fans also think Kobe > Jordan :facepalm

These are almost always kids who started watching basketball in the 2000s and have no clue how much Jordan DOMINATED in an era that played true physical basketball.[/QUOTE]
No one has mentioned Jordan in this thread:rolleyes: Let's not act like saying Kobe is better than Duncan is the same as saying Kobe is better than Jordan.

[QUOTE=Big#50]This thread again.
Kobe can be compared to Wade, Lebron, TMAC, Barkley, Iverson, Dirk, KG, Malone and other second tier greats.
The dude won rings with the most dominant player ever. Then won with the best team in the league. He never once came close to doing what Tim did In 03. Not even close. Not even in the same neighborhood of close.
Stop arguing with Kobestans for the love of God.[/QUOTE]

And Duncan has never repeated..............shit the room just went silent huh?

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[QUOTE=macpierce]And Duncan has never repeated..............shit the room just went silent huh?

:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Also Bird has never repeated. And yet he generally ranks in top 5.:oldlol:

Kobe is the only top 10 player who didn't win MVP and FMVP in the same year. What about that.:oldlol:

[QUOTE=macpierce]And Duncan has never repeated..............shit the room just went silent huh?

:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
His career isn't done. This Spurs team should be just as good next year. Probably even better.
Kobe is a high volume shooter. That's It.

[QUOTE=oolalaa]Agreed with everything but I'll just nitpick the bolded.

McHale was definitely a "sidekick". We can never know for sure, but I'm convinced Bird's all time great playmaking/passing added 2 or 3 points to his ppg totals as well as 3/4 percent on top of his already great FG%. I know that McHale often lauded Bird's ability to find him under the hoop for wide open layups/dunks, particuarly during the '86 playoffs.

The difference between his '88 and '89 seasons gives you an idea. His ppg stayed the same but his FG% dropped by almost 6%! And in the 1st round vs Detroit, with him being the focus of Boston's offense, he only managed 19ppg on a measly 49% shooting, compared to 27ppg on 56% in the ECFs the pervious year.


McHale was very good but it was Bird who turned him into a borderline superstar.[/QUOTE]


Pretty sure McHale was having bad foot problems around then.

[QUOTE=Odinn]Also Bird has never repeated. And yet he generally ranks in top 5.:oldlol:

Kobe is the only top 10 player who didn't win MVP and FMVP in the same year. What about that.:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

So he retires with 5 chips, 2 FMVPs, and one regular season MVP

I'm sure he's crying at night about it :D

[QUOTE=Artillery]Nash's team have owned Kobe's teams in the playoffs. Nash is clearly>>>>>Bryant

:oldlol:



Duncan was the only All-NBA player on the 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007 Spurs teams. He was clearly the best player. Compare that to Kobe having another All-NBA teammate on every one of his championship teams(Shaq for 00-02, Gasol '09-'10)

And lol at being weighed heavier. Gasol's win shares were higher than Kobe's throughout the 2010 playoffs. Their PERs was nearly identical. Duncan PER and win shares were well ahead of anyone else on the 2007 Spurs.[/QUOTE]

Hey, what's up dickhead.

If Nash and Kobe were even comparable, with close or equal rings, FMVPs, AS appearances, All NBA First teams, ect, them yes, their head to head match ups WOULD matter. But, they're not. So, the comparison is useless.

People look at head to head match ups in the playoffs, especially when in the same conference and title contenders, when trying to evaluate the difference between two closely ranked players. Ever heard of logic?

Win shares, PER. If you truly think that Kobe's supporting cast in 2009 and 2010 were better than Duncan's in 2007 and, if he gets his 5th in a few weeks, this year, than you already have a spear-headed agenda that I'm not going to waste prime time hours addressing.

And, like I already said, Duncan is the greatest PF of all time, and gets the nod in many scenarios, and rightfully so.

Because unlike Duncan, Kobe is the first option. Not the fifth. :oldlol::roll::oldlol:

[QUOTE=Odinn]Also Bird has never repeated. And yet he generally ranks in top 5.:oldlol:

Kobe is the only top 10 player who didn't win MVP and FMVP in the same year. What about that.:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Bird made it to 4 Finals in a row from '84-'87
Duncan has never made it to the Finals back to back years, every other top 10 player has.

Not sure, why did Lebron score 2 points or less in 4 straight finals 4th quarters when his team needed him the most?