#16 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[QUOTE=Kews1]Based on your own theory you shouldn't be voting Malone until at least 21 now should you. :coleman:[/QUOTE]

Part of winning a title is about luck. The Jazz had some great ****ing teams in the 80s. There were just better teams at the time. What I credit Malone for is constantly being in the hunt for that title. The Jazz were always a team people didn't want to **** with. KGs timberwolves were pretty much irrelevant. They were never a threat for the title and pretty much just a joke of a franchise.

KG is a 2nd option player. Not a first.

Elgin Gay Balor
First team all NBA for his first ten seasons in the NBA

I'm gonna vote for the guy that was the first player I liked.

[b]Kevin 'The Big Ticket' Garnett[/b]

Charles Barkley.

[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]Part of winning a title is about luck. The Jazz had some great ****ing teams in the 80s. There were just better teams at the time. What I credit Malone for is constantly being in the hunt for that title. The Jazz were always a team people didn't want to **** with. KGs timberwolves were pretty much irrelevant. They were never a threat for the title and pretty much just a joke of a franchise.[/QUOTE]

And KG was unlucky to be drafted by the Timberwolves who were unable to keep players such as Marbury, were stripped of first round draft picks, and unable to put a decent team around KG. When they did put a semi-decent team around him consiting of Cassell and Sprewell, KG LED them to the top seed in the west and right to the WCF, where they came up against the Lakers who have Shaq & Kobe who were both All-NBA first team by that time. You obviously underestimate how bad the teams KG was given in Minny was. There was no building around KG the franchise was run like shit hence why he left.


[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]KG is a 2nd option player. Not a first.[/QUOTE]

Are you aware that KG was the first option on the championship celtics team?? People's idea of the whole season is skewed because Paul Pierce won the FMVP whereas people who were actually watching throughout the season will tell you that KG led the team the entire season. He was ****ing 3rd in MVP voting and won DPOY???

IDIOT :facepalm

[QUOTE=Kews1]And KG was unlucky to be drafted by the Timberwolves who were unable to keep players such as Marbury, were stripped of first round draft picks, and unable to put a decent team around KG. When they did put a semi-decent team around him consiting of Cassell and Sprewell, KG LED them to the top seed in the west and right to the WCF, where they came up against the Lakers who have Shaq & Kobe who were both All-NBA first team by that time. You obviously underestimate how bad the teams KG was given in Minny was. There was no building around KG the franchise was run like shit hence why he left.


Are you aware that KG was the first option on the championship celtics team?? People's idea of the whole season is skewed because Paul Pierce won the FMVP whereas people who were actually watching throughout the season will tell you that KG led the team the entire season. He was ****ing 3rd in MVP voting and won DPOY???

IDIOT :facepalm[/QUOTE]

You think I give a **** about his supporting cast? I don't care who else is on the team, this guy was healthy for 82 games for 3 consecutive years playing at a high level. If this guy was a "top 16 player" don't you think he'd at least be able to get his team to one of the 16 in the league? Lol what a ****ing joke, more than half the teams make the ****ing playoffs and this overrated baboon who is supposedly "the 16th best player alltime" can't even get them in it [B]DURING HIS PRIME.[/B]

:oldlol: :oldlol:

You see Kobe missing the playoffs with his cast pre-Gasol and post-Shaq? You see LeBron bitching about his Cleveland team? You see DIRK bitching about having the pressure of franchising 60 win teams with [B]JOSH HOWARD[/B] as his best teammate? I don't see these guys with their excuses, they get results.

2004 was the only year KG got past the first round in Minnesota because he had Sam Cassell to bail him out the same way he had Rondo/Pierce/Allen in Boston.(doesn't matter though Boston KG isn't his prime) When Cassell got hurt in the playoffs we all know the pathetic overrated player known as Garnett would get absolutely creampied by superior players such as Shaq or Duncan. Minnesota had no chance at getting past the real ****ing players. Thats hardly what I'd call relevant.

Don't care about Boston KG. That team was more 04 Pistons than anything. 4 legit allstars. He was past his prime anyway.

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You see Kobe missing the playoffs with his cast pre-Gasol and post-Shaq? You see LeBron bitching about his Cleveland team? You see DIRK bitching about having the pressure of franchising 60 win teams with [B]JOSH HOWARD[/B] as his best teammate? I don't see these guys with their excuses, they get results.

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LOL but Kobe bitched like a little girl in that period.

[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]You think I give a **** about his supporting cast? I don't care who else is on the team, this guy was healthy for 82 games for 3 consecutive years playing at a high level. If this guy was a "top 16 player" don't you think he'd at least be able to get his team to one of the 16 in the league? Lol what a ****ing joke, more than half the teams make the ****ing playoffs and this overrated baboon who is supposedly "the 16th best player alltime" can't even get them in it [B]DURING HIS PRIME.[/B][/QUOTE]
The sad part is Wade couldn't get it done during his peak (09) with
a) A better supporting cast than KG
b) A weak Eastern Conference. Seriously, he lost to the friggin' Hawks :biggums:

And if you continue by that logic, than the beginning of LeBron's prime was a failure because he couldn't take a team to the title.

I don't get you, you praise Karl Malone and attack KG by using contradictory reasons.

[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]You think I give a **** about his supporting cast? I don't care who else is on the team, this guy was healthy for 82 games for 3 consecutive years playing at a high level. If this guy was a "top 16 player" don't you think he'd at least be able to get his team to one of the 16 in the league? Lol what a ****ing joke, more than half the teams make the ****ing playoffs and this overrated baboon who is supposedly "the 16th best player alltime" can't even get them in it [B]DURING HIS PRIME.[/B][/QUOTE]

Basketballs a team sport you ****ing half-wit, even great players cant win championships all on their own. Given KG John Stockton for his whole career and i bet you KG gets more rings than Malone ever managed.

[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]

You see Kobe missing the playoffs with his cast pre-Gasol and post-Shaq? You see LeBron bitching about his Cleveland team? You see DIRK bitching about having the pressure of franchising 60 win teams with [B]JOSH HOWARD[/B] as his best teammate? I don't see these guys with their excuses, they get results.[/QUOTE]

2004-05 Los Angeles Lakers (Post-Shaq) Missed playoffs and Dirks teams never were anywhere close to talent depleted as Garnetts were. Dirks hardly had teams to complain about.


[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]2004 was the only year KG got past the first round in Minnesota because he had Sam Cassell to bail him out the same way he had Rondo/Pierce/Allen in Boston.(doesn't matter though Boston KG isn't his prime) When Cassell got hurt in the playoffs we all know the pathetic overrated player known as Garnett would get absolutely creampied by superior players such as Shaq or Duncan. Minnesota had no chance at getting past the real ****ing players. Thats hardly what I'd call relevant.

Don't care about Boston KG. That team was more 04 Pistons than anything. 4 legit allstars. He was past his prime anyway.[/QUOTE]

So you say hes not in his prime but he was coming of the seasons that you said are the seasons hes in his prime so suddenly hes not in his prime based on what?? his numbers? they take a big drop because suddenly he actually has guys who he can rely on outside him and he dosnt have to do everything himself? How does a player not in his prime lead a team to a championship, finish 3rd in MVP & win DPOY?

:no:

Matt Geiger

This spot can go to either Garnett, Dirk, Pettit, Barkley, Malone, or Robinson.

It's pretty close. There's nothing that separates any of them in terms of all-time lists by that much (Not voting, just saying).

If it was just discussing them as players, it would be a lot different.

[QUOTE=Freedom Kid7]The sad part is Wade couldn't get it done during his peak (09) with
a) A better supporting cast than KG
b) A weak Eastern Conference. Seriously, he lost to the friggin' Hawks :biggums:

And if you continue by that logic, than the beginning of LeBron's prime was a failure because he couldn't take a team to the title.

I don't get you, you praise Karl Malone and attack KG by using contradictory reasons.[/QUOTE]

Oh really? Let's check the standings.

Oh! It looks like Wade got his team to a 5th seed with [I][B]TRASH[/B][/I] teammates. LOL. Now that shows the impact of an all-time great first option. Kobe did the same thing with his shittty Laker teams.

Garnett? This guy can't even make the playoffs, let alone advance a round LOL. During his [B]prime[/B]!!!!! LeBrons teams were constantly elite and he never lost in the first round. Fail comparison is fail. Lol @ a top 16 all-time player not making a 16 team playoffs in thier prime. What a joke.

Next.

[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]Oh really? Let's check the standings.

Oh! It looks like Wade got his team to a 5th seed with [I][B]TRASH[/B][/I] teammates. LOL. Now that shows the impact of an all-time great first option. Kobe did the same thing with his shittty Laker teams.

Garnett? This guy can't even make the playoffs, let alone advance a round LOL. During his [B]prime[/B]!!!!! LeBrons teams were constantly elite and he never lost in the first round. Fail comparison is fail. Lol @ a top 16 all-time player not making a 16 team playoffs in thier prime. What a joke.

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So now Wade>Garnett? :biggums:

Karl Malone

[QUOTE]Basketballs a team sport you ****ing half-wit, even great players cant win championships all on their own. Given KG John Stockton for his whole career and i bet you KG gets more rings than Malone ever managed.

2004-05 Los Angeles Lakers (Post-Shaq) Missed playoffs and Dirks teams never were anywhere close to talent depleted as Garnetts were. Dirks hardly had teams to complain about. [/QUOTE]

KG had all-stars in Minnesota(Googs,Sczerbiak,Marbury,Cassell). Even when Minnesota had multiple all-stars the team was irrelevant. It wasn't the cast as much as it is the main player. The only way KG was ever relevant in his entire career was when he had teams with unequaled talent such as his time in Boston.

Do you even watch basketball? The 2005 Lakers missed the playoffs and underperformed because Kobe was injured that year and their head coach situation was a travesty. KG was in perfect health.

Dirk carried teams that featured Eric Dampier, and Antoine Wright in the starting lineup to deep playoff runs and had his Dallas team winning something like 10 consecutive 50 win years in a row. Guess who the ONLY player was to be on all those Dallas teams? [B]Dirk!!!![/B] An adaptable superstar that can actually lead a team to a title.


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So you say hes not in his prime but he was coming of the seasons that you said are the seasons hes in his prime so suddenly hes not in his prime based on what?? his numbers? they take a big drop because suddenly he actually has guys who he can rely on outside him and he dosnt have to do everything himself? How does a player not in his prime lead a team to a championship, finish 3rd in MVP & win DPOY?
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Who won the Finals MVP?

It was 2004 all over again. Garnett riding the coattails of stellar perimeter players because he can't be relied upon to be the primary option on offense consistently. A bigman thats primary form of scoring is fade-away jump shots.

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So now Wade>Garnett? [/QUOTE]

Yeah easily.

Look at Wades 2006 Heat cast. ****ing pathetic. Shaq averaged 12 PPG in the Finals and that was his only other relevant teammate. Let me know when Garnett carries a team single handily in the Finals averaging over 40 PPG over a 4 game stretch with an awful and inferior cast. Don't worry bro, his career isn't over yet, it could still happen.

Wade is a shaft. KG is a shaft rider. One guy can win you titles, and another can only win you titles with 3 other all-stars on a team in which he is a second fiddle.

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