#17 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[QUOTE=Rojogaqu11]Barkley>Malone and Dirk

A single championship difference between Dirk and Barkley is not enough to forget all the failures Dirk had with stacked teams. If a championship was enough to put him above Barkley and Malone, then what the heck are Bird and Wilt doing above Kobe, Shaq, and Duncan? Why isn't Bill Russell [B]at least[/B] top 2 and Lebron almost top 10?? Then championships should help Robert Horry jump to at least top 50, right?

Championships are a great accomplishment that should be considered, but so are longevity, consistency, level of competition, rules and pace, skill-set and productivity, athleticism, health, and I would say that three other things should be considered in these type of evaluations: team-chemistry, character, and development or growth.

Because team-chemistry defines how a player was a factor not only during games statistically, but also how he exemplified leadership and promoted a winning mentality to others. Character defines the type of professional that a player strives to be, the type of effort a player gives on and off the court, almost like a visual measurement of a player's competitiveness. If a player fulfilled his potential, exceeded the expectations, and made the most out any situation in his career, then he grew into the best player he could possibly become, and that not only shows character, but straight up "love" for the game.[/QUOTE]


What stacked team has Dirk played on the last few seasons?

Dirk Nowitzki.

Karl Malone:banana:

It's way too late for this now, but you (Deuce) should have mandated that each voter give at least a couple of paragraphs of reasoning for their choice. That'll bring back the intelligent/thoughtful posters and cutail the ignorant and/or trolls. The mods should then sticky it so that we all can bask in the collective wisdom of ISH :D

Again, too late now. Maybe next year.

Elgin Baylor

John Havlicek.

[QUOTE=DTreats]Isaiah Thomas[/QUOTE]


this has gone on for too long now. isiah thomas is his name.

Dirk Nowitzki

NBA champion (2x finals appearance)
Finals MVP
MVP

Led the Mavs to 11 straight 50+ win seasons and led some of the shittiest line-ups to the western conf and finals.

Dirk Nowitzki.

Barkley should not be getting ranked in front of Karl Malone, George Mikan, Baylor, or Cousy.


I'll vote Baylor.

[QUOTE=oolalaa]It's way too late for this now, but you (Deuce) should have mandated that each voter give at least a couple of paragraphs of reasoning for their choice. That'll bring back the intelligent/thoughtful posters and cutail the ignorant and/or trolls. The mods should then sticky it so that we all can bask in the collective wisdom of ISH :D

Again, too late now. Maybe next year.[/QUOTE]
Honestly...we should just start over and do that haha.

[QUOTE=Round Mound]:applause: [B]Sadly We are Few that Saw Barkley Play When Healthy and Prime

Charles Barkley was the Master of the Inside the 3-Point Line Game.

The Best Mid Range and Post Game Among All PFs and Never a Ball Hogg Like Many Others:

21.6 PPG on 12.9 Two-Point FGAs PG and a Two-Point FG% of 58.13%

22.5 PPG on 14.5 Two-Point FGAs PG and a Two-Point FG% of 55.13%

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Career from 3P: 538/2020

You can't just ignore that. It's not like he only shot a few hundred threes and shot a low percentage. He shot more than 2000 of the damn things and missed almost 1,500 of them. From '86-'87 through '96-'97 he attempted 1,804 per game, which comes out to 164 per season, and 2.3 3PA per game. He was shooting them too frequently in his prime and at his peak to just completely ignore it.

[QUOTE=KG215]Career from 3P: 538/2020

You can't just ignore that. It's not like he only shot a few hundred threes and shot a low percentage. He shot more than 2000 of the damn things and missed almost 1,500 of them. From '86-'87 through '96-'97 he attempted 1,804 per game, which comes out to 164 per season, and 2.3 3PA per game. He was shooting them too frequently in his prime and at his peak to just completely ignore it.[/QUOTE]

[B]Still doesn`t Change the Fact that Barkley was the Best Pure Scoring PF at Over 20 PPG on LESS ATTEMPTS than Malone, Garnett or Duncan.

No Other PF Dominated [U]Inside The 3-Point Line; Mid Range and Post Region [/U] More than Barkley.

Only PF that Ranks Close In Those Terms was Kevin McHale...Although Benefited from Bird`s Double Teaming and Passing Alot.[/B]

#17 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops Voting

12- Karl Malone
10- Charles Barkley
9- Elgin Baylor
7- Dirk Nowitzki
6- Isiah Thomas
2- Scottie Pippen
1- David Robinson
1- Rick Barry
1- John Havlicek

John Havlicek is being seriously underrated here.

[B]All-Star Games[/B]
1966 NBA
1967 NBA
1968 NBA
1969 NBA
1970 NBA
1971 NBA
1972 NBA
1973 NBA
1974 NBA
1975 NBA
1976 NBA
1977 NBA
1978 NBA

[B]Honors[/B]
1960-61 NCAA AP All-America (3rd)
1961-62 NCAA AP All-America (2nd)
1962-63 NBA All-Rookie (1st)
1963-64 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1965-66 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1967-68 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1968-69 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1968-69 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1969-70 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1969-70 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1970-71 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1970-71 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1971-72 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1971-72 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1972-73 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1972-73 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1973-74 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1973-74 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1974-75 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1974-75 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1975-76 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1975-76 NBA All-NBA (2nd)

[B]Championships[/B]
1963 Boston Celtics
1964 Boston Celtics
1965 Boston Celtics
1966 Boston Celtics
1968 Boston Celtics
1969 Boston Celtics
1974 Boston Celtics
1976 Boston Celtics

[B]Awards[/B]
1973-74 NBA Finals MVP

12th all-time in scoring
9th all-time in minutes
63rd all-time in rebounds
28th all-time in assists