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[QUOTE=The Iron Fist]Kobe won more rings playing HIS way, than any other player of his era. If he had played like you want him to,
he'd be 1 and 2 in the finals with more losses than wins.[/QUOTE]
Kobe had the skills and ability and the TEAM to play his way and win.
He doesn't anymore...
[QUOTE=KungFuJoe]Kobe [B]had[/B] the skills and ability and the TEAM to play his way and win.
He doesn't anymore...[/QUOTE]
Had?
HAD??
Try looking up things in context. Kobe has been playing excellent all season. Whether its scoring or passing.
I agree.
[quote]Kobe won more rings playing HIS way, than any other player of his era. If he had played like you want him to,
he'd be 1 and 2 in the finals with more losses than wins.[/quote]
No he wouldn't. He'd have 6 rings at the very least, and I would say 7. He's a great player and has played with other great players for the majority of his career. But he hasn't been approaching the game the right way to maximize his ability.
And yes Kobe is awkward and forced in his playmaking... but if he does this for 20 games, his team will win most of them, and he will get better and more natural as a playmaker.
[QUOTE=Clifton][B]No he wouldn't. He'd have 6 rings at the very least,[/B] and I would say 7. He's a great player and has played with other great players for the majority of his career. But he hasn't been approaching the game the right way to maximize his ability.
And yes Kobe is awkward and forced in his playmaking... but if he does this for 20 games, his team will win most of them, and he will get better and more natural as a playmaker.[/QUOTE]
Prove it.
Kobe's had stretches of this throughout his career
01 WCQF - 25.0 ppg, 4.3 rpg, [B]7.7 apg[/B]
01 WCF - 33.3 ppg, 7.0 rpg, [B]7.0 apg[/B]
08 WCSF - 33.2 ppg, 7.0 rpg, [B]7.2 apg[/B]
09 Finals - 32.4 ppg, 5.6 rpg, [B]7.4 apg[/B]
10 WCF - 33.7 ppg, 7.2 rpg, [B]8.3 apg[/B]
OP is Bigalows alt.
Nothing to see here.
[QUOTE=G-Funk]DUH THE AGENDA IS TO GET HIS TEAMMATES INVOLVED[/QUOTE]
Na his agenda is appeasing people on ISH and the like so they'll approve of him.
Yes, he's making a conscious effort. He wants his teammates to get good looks and be engaged. He's doing exactly what people always complain about him not doing and now there's still something wrong because it's not "natural" enough. :oldlol:
He's just doing what he can to help the team succeed because he wants to win. I don't see why that's such a surprise to people. Kobe has always added something or tweaked his game if he felt it could improve his chances of winning.
[QUOTE=pauk]I agree.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Kobe's had stretches of this throughout his career
01 WCQF - 25.0 ppg, 4.3 rpg, [B]7.7 apg[/B]
01 WCF - 33.3 ppg, 7.0 rpg, [B]7.0 apg[/B]
08 WCSF - 33.2 ppg, 7.0 rpg, [B]7.2 apg[/B]
09 Finals - 32.4 ppg, 5.6 rpg, [B]7.4 apg[/B]
10 WCF - 33.7 ppg, 7.2 rpg, [B]8.3 apg[/B][/QUOTE]
The 01 WCF was something I'll never forget.
LA sweeps the first two rounds and everyone is talking about how they were now going to be tested. They're starting out on the road. They go on to win both games in San Antonio, punctuated by the clutch Kobe rebound and putback.
San Antonio goes to LA to get clobbered for two games that were as exciting as a high school team playing a middle school team.
Kobe and Shaq were just toying with the league then. It was amazing to watch.
[QUOTE=dajadeed]The 01 WCF was something I'll never forget.
LA sweeps the first two rounds and everyone is talking about how they were now going to be tested. They're starting out on the road. [B]They go on to win both games in San Antonio, punctuated by the clutch Kobe rebound and putback. [/B]
San Antonio goes to LA to get clobbered for two games that were as exciting as a high school team playing a middle school team.
Kobe and Shaq were just toying with the league then. It was amazing to watch.[/QUOTE]
That was the 02 series in game 4. The 01 series everything was a win by a large margin. I think it might be the largest average margin of victory in a series ever.
They were not beating Boston in 08 regardless of what Kobe did. If you're arguing they could have won in 04 - perhaps - but Payton was a much much bigger problem than Kobe that series. Kobe had the right attitude early in his career. He played with his instincts and he always made his man commit.
Someone like him should never sit there and distribute. Leave that for a point guard. Attack the defense then make your reads./
[quote]Prove it.[/quote]
[quote]hey were not beating Boston in 08 regardless of what Kobe did. If you're arguing they could have won in 04[/quote]
Yeah.
They had prime Kobe, prime Shaq, and Karl Malone. They should have won that year. The Pistons did have an awesome team defense, but they also had a matchup nightmare at the center position. Ben Wallace at no point in his career could handle Shaq. His one on one defense wasn't that great to begin with but he was flat out not big enough.
If Kobe had done "awkward distributing Kobe" who picks his spots but otherwise feeds the ball to Shaq whenever he can, he's dunking on someone every trip down. Instead he spent all 5 games busily trying to shoot over Tayshaun Prince's long ass arms and missing. The team never developed any rhythm (even in the game 2 they miraculously won) and it was Kobe's fault that time.
The thing is a distributing, smart Kobe would still drop 22 to 25 on you easily. Teams would be forced to stop doubling him and he'd get lots of opportunities one on one at the FT line-extended, where he is at his most accurate and dangerous. It'd take much less work but his scoring would still be elite.
Kobe is el maestro of adjusting to increase his chances of winning. His analysis of the game is unparalleled. Kobe is the perfect example of the student surpassing the master.