why does lebron get the mvp nod for stats only. hes like 6 games behind 2 teams

bunch of whiny b*tches in here.

Lebron is the clear cut best player in the nba, on the team with a top record.

The award is not for underdogs who overacheive.

It's for the best player....period.

stop acting like jealous b*tches.

[QUOTE=The Iron Fist]Lebrons fellow all stars are wade and Bosh.

Kobes fellow all stars were Kwame and Smush, in the western conference. Get a clue.[/QUOTE]
Already answered with one of my earlier posts. Learn to read before telling people to get a clue.

I'm not saying Kobe should've won 58, I'm saying that given the standards MVP is awarded with, history as a precedent isn't an argument for LeBron to lose MVP right now.

[QUOTE=Dave3]Already answered with one of my earlier posts. Learn to read before telling people to get a clue.

I'm not saying Kobe should've won 58, I'm saying that given the standards MVP is awarded with, history as a precedent isn't an argument for LeBron to lose MVP right now.[/QUOTE]


But there isn't any standards. Voters and fans just make them up year by year as they go along. Kobe couldn't win because he had Pau. Couldn't win before that because he didn't have 50 wins. Couldn't win because he had Andrew Bynum in the paint.

But lebron can have Bosh and Wade! :wtf:

[QUOTE=The Iron Fist]But there isn't any standards. Voters and fans just make them up year by year as they go along. Kobe couldn't win because he had Pau. Couldn't win before that because he didn't have 50 wins. Couldn't win because he had Andrew Bynum in the paint.

But lebron can have Bosh and Wade! :wtf:[/QUOTE]
u mad? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=The Iron Fist]But there isn't any standards. Voters and fans just make them up year by year as they go along. Kobe couldn't win because he had Pau. Couldn't win before that because he didn't have 50 wins. Couldn't win because he had Andrew Bynum in the paint.

But lebron can have Bosh and Wade! :wtf:[/QUOTE]

How dense is this idiot right here? :facepalm

[QUOTE=The Iron Fist]But there isn't any standards. Voters and fans just make them up year by year as they go along.[/QUOTE]

Except that for the last 30+ years it's been pretty consistent. A top (second) seed in the conference along with dominant play. It's vague, but it's enough to exclude certain players.

[QUOTE] Kobe couldn't win because he had Pau. [/QUOTE]
The hell? That's flat out false - Kobe won with Pau. After that he didn't win because LeBron had both a better record, [B]and[/B] was more individually dominant. How is that at all related to the presence of Pau? LeBron was flat out a better choice from every perspective.

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Couldn't win before that because he didn't have 50 wins. [/QUOTE]
And no one has in the last 30 years. This isn't exclusive to Kobe, nor does it apply to this thread because LeBron won't struggle to reach 50 wins.

[QUOTE]Couldn't win because he had Andrew Bynum in the paint. [/QUOTE] This part is just untrue, he's never been deserving in a year where Bynum held him back from winning the award.

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But lebron can have Bosh and Wade! :wtf:[/QUOTE]
Sure he can, and he has, because he was the most dominant along with a top record. The reality that you struggle to deal with is that it wasn't Kobe's supporting casts being too good that prevented him from winning MVPs, it was the fact that a more dominant player had a better record in both 2009 and 2010.

As for Durant and LeBron now, LeBron has the advantage in dominance while Durant has the advantage in team record. It's split, so it will make for a decent argument. In 2009 and 2010, LeBron both had the better record and was more dominant. There was no argument then.

[QUOTE=PJR]How dense is this idiot right here? :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Ironfist is such a retard that it is pointless to even engage him in discussion. Now I just go for the classic u mad? Why u mad though?

[QUOTE=Dave3]Except that for the last 30+ years it's been pretty consistent. A top (second) seed in the conference along with dominant play. It's vague, but it's enough to exclude certain players.


The hell? That's flat our false - Kobe won with Pau. After that he didn't win because LeBron had both a better record, [B]and[/B] was more individually dominant. How is that at all related to the presence of Pau? LeBron was flat out a better choice from every perspective.


And no one has in the last 30 years. This isn't exclusive to Kobe, nor does it apply to this thread because LeBron won't struggle to reach 50 wins.

This part is just untrue, he's never been deserving in a year where Bynum held him back from winning the award.


Sure he can, and he has, because he was the most dominant along with a top record. The reality that you struggle to deal with is that it wasn't Kobe's supporting casts being too good that prevented him from winning MVPs, it was the fact that a more dominant player had a better record in both 2009 and 2010.

As for Durant and LeBron now, LeBron has the advantage in dominance while Durant has the advantage in team record. It's split, so it will make for a decent argument. In 2009 and 2010, LeBron both had the better record and was more dominant. There was no argument then.[/QUOTE]


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couldnt have said it better myself.
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Guess this is in your face THE IRON FIST

[QUOTE=Dave3]Except that for the last 30+ years it's been pretty consistent. A top (second) seed in the conference along with dominant play. It's vague, but it's enough to exclude certain players.


The hell? That's flat out false - Kobe won with Pau. After that he didn't win because LeBron had both a better record, [B]and[/B] was more individually dominant. How is that at all related to the presence of Pau? LeBron was flat out a better choice from every perspective.


And no one has in the last 30 years. This isn't exclusive to Kobe, nor does it apply to this thread because LeBron won't struggle to reach 50 wins.

This part is just untrue, he's never been deserving in a year where Bynum held him back from winning the award.


Sure he can, and he has, because he was the most dominant along with a top record. The reality that you struggle to deal with is that it wasn't Kobe's supporting casts being too good that prevented him from winning MVPs, it was the fact that a more dominant player had a better record in both 2009 and 2010.

As for Durant and LeBron now, LeBron has the advantage in dominance while Durant has the advantage in team record. It's split, so it will make for a decent argument. In 2009 and 2010, LeBron both had the better record and was more dominant. There was no argument then.[/QUOTE]

So, its a team award? Yea, we know.

Laker fans, diminishing the MVP award since...when did Kobe enter the NBA?

Its absolutely hilarious that last year and now this year people are pushing so much for Tony Parker. Its not really even close. Yes, if Parker didn't have Duncan and Ginobili the whole season and was putting up these numbers, okay he may have a strong case. But he hasn't. I really have no idea why people want to push him so much for this. For the last 2 seasons, its clearly been only between Lebron and Durant.

[QUOTE=The Iron Fist]So, its a team award? Yea, we know.[/QUOTE]
So in your world - the most valuable [B]player[/B] is a team award, and the [B]team[/B] championship is an individual award.

Almost sounds like you're a fan of a player with only a few MVPs....:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=guy]Its absolutely hilarious that last year and now this year people are pushing so much for Tony Parker. Its not really even close. Yes, if Parker didn't have Duncan and Ginobili the whole season and was putting up these numbers, okay he may have a strong case. But he hasn't. I really have no idea why people want to push him so much for this. For the last 2 seasons, its clearly been only between Lebron and Durant.[/QUOTE]
CP3 was in the mix until he started missing games. The Clips would have to be the top record in the league for him to get it now.

And honestly had Rose only missed 5-8 games last year and the Bulls were the top seed still he would have repeated as MVP.

Heh