Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.

[QUOTE=3LiftHeatCurse]146 shots on 6 assists for melo[/QUOTE]

No way this is true. :no: That's... just... unheard of!

[QUOTE=chips93]team ball is kinda overrated imo

the most unselfish, best passing team in the league (the spurs), still has to lean pretty heavily on parker, ginobili (less this year) and duncan to get the defense out of position.[/QUOTE]
The difference is, if you move the ball, run some plays, set some screens and THEN get it back, the defense will be moving and out of position, giving you a cleaner look. With Melo, he gets the ball, dribbles, dribbles, and either hoists up a contested jumper or passes to someone like Shumpert who gives it right back WITHOUT much player movement, screens being set or anything. Thats the difference I see when watching the Knicks and Spurs. Even Miami has great ball movement even if it does end up back in Lebron's hands, he's moved the defense, maybe caused a switch, now they have mismatches...I don't see the Knicks do any of these, I never see them create mismatches. There offense is Melo, JR Smith and everyone else. Even when Felton scores, it feels like he's tired of not getting shots and just makes up his mind and forces his way to the basket or just pulls up and shoot a three. None of the Knicks scoring seems like its predicated on true ball movement or a truly effective offensive system and that is why I don't think they can beat defenses like Miami or Indiana in a playoff series. If Rondo was healthy, they would not even beat Boston because of Boston's defense.

His game is scoring. Not sure why people look into stats so intensely. If Lebrom James avg a triple double while being efficient only to get swept from a playoff series? Your stat argument changes and isnt consistent at all.

[I]"stat whore"
"stat padding"
"only cares about stats *insert bron t shirt photo*"
"no killer instinct, not a winner"[/I]

I'm sure I'm leaving other stuff out. But now the stats dont matter. Here we ave Carmelo and you guys want certain stat criteria met. Is Carmelo arguably the best scorer? Yes. Has his scoring helped the NYK? Yes. He gets paid to score.

Now how he chooses to score in games can without a doubt be questioned. Much like the jacking up ill advised 3's. When in reality he cant be guarded in the post. I know I know if he avg more assists then his teammates would get involved and score. Thus helping NYK win. Carmelo has never been the playmaker where his assists are creating the kind of scoring opportunities that open up an offense. He's no Lebron. He's not facilitating the offense.

Better shot selection?
More work on the low block given his size/strength/low post ability?

Yes those are things he needs to improve which were clearly missing the last 2 games NYK lost.

[QUOTE=Dro]The difference is, if you move the ball, run some plays, set some screens and THEN get it back, the defense will be moving and out of position, giving you a cleaner look. With Melo, he gets the ball, dribbles, dribbles, and either hoists up a contested jumper or passes to someone like Shumpert who gives it right back WITHOUT much player movement, screens being set or anything.Thats the difference I see when watching the Knicks and Spurs. Even Miami has great ball movement even if it does end up back in Lebron's hands, he's moved the defense, maybe caused a switch, now they have mismatches...I don't see the Knicks do any of these, I never see them create mismatches. There offense is Melo, JR Smith and everyone else. Even when Felton scores, it feels like he's tired of not getting shots and just makes up his mind and forces his way to the basket or just pulls up and shoot a three. None of the Knicks scoring seems like its predicated on true ball movement or a truly effective offensive system and that is why I don't think they can beat defenses like Miami or Indiana in a playoff series. If Rondo was healthy, they would not even beat Boston because of Boston's defense.[/QUOTE]

yeah, i mean i agree, if the knicks could utilise melo, with ball movement, that would be ideal.

but the guy i quoted said that they would be better off without melo. if you are running plays, you still need some playmaker to create opening, that good ball movement can take advantage of.

you still need that catalyst, and without melo, the knicks wouldnt have that catalyst.

[QUOTE=GOBB]His game is scoring. Not sure why people look into stats so intensely. If Lebrom James avg a triple double while being efficient only to get swept from the NBA Finals? Your stat argument changes and isnt consistent at all.

[I]"stat whore"
"stat padding"
"only cares about stats *insert bron t shirt photo*"
"no killer instinct, not a winner"[/I]

I'm sure I'm leaving other stuff out. But now the stats dont matter. Here we ave Carmelo and you guys want certain stat criteria met. Is Carmelo arguably the best scorer? Yes. Has his scoring helped the NYK? Yes. He gets paid to score.

Now how he chooses to score in games can without a doubt be questioned. Much like the jacking up ill advised 3's. When in reality he cant be guarded in the post. I know I know if he avg more assists then his teammates would get involved and score. Thus helping NYK win. Carmelo has never been the playmaker where his assists are creating the kind of scoring opportunities that open up an offense. He's no Lebron. He's not facilitating the offense.

Better shot selection?
More work on the low block given his size/strength/low post ability?

Yes those are things he needs to improve which were clearly missing the last 2 games NYK lost.[/QUOTE]
Its not about the stats, its about the style of play which will result in him having higher stats in certain areas. Its more about the style of play being reflected in his stats rather than just being about stats and ignoring whether their style of play is working or not. To me, their style just does not work in the long term but I guess thats still yet to proven. Hell, maybe they'll win the championship for all we know. Time will tell...

[QUOTE=chips93]yeah, i mean i agree, if the knicks could utilise melo, with ball movement, that would be ideal.

but the guy i quoted said that they would be better off without melo. if you are running plays, you still need some playmaker to create opening, that good ball movement can take advantage of.

you still need that catalyst, and without melo, the knicks wouldnt have that catalyst.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, I agree with that. Suggesting they would be better without melo is ridiculous. What I don't get is that in college, Melo proved to be a great all around player, able to pass, rebound, and defend, but in the NBA he is mainly just a scorer and not even an efficient scorer.

[QUOTE=3LiftHeatCurse]146 shots on 6 assists for melo[/QUOTE]
:biggums: :wtf:

Kobe would at least have 6 assists in one of these games...let alone 6 for a series..

[QUOTE=Dro]Its not about the stats, its about the style of play which will result in him having higher stats in certain areas. Its more about the style of play being reflected in his stats rather than just being about stats and ignoring whether their style of play is working or not. To me, their style just does not work in the long term but I guess thats still yet to proven. Hell, maybe they'll win the championship for all we know. Time will tell...[/QUOTE]

NYK are lucky Rondo is injured or they wouldnt be getting past the first rd. And I agree the style of play doesnt work long term. Atleast thats how I see it.

[QUOTE=chosen_wun]:biggums: :wtf:

Kobe would at least have 6 assists in one of these games...let alone 6 for a series..[/QUOTE]

Kobe would have at least 20 asissts by now. Kobe will have games with 1 or 2 assists, but then the next one he will get 5 or 6.

Melo is taking chucking to a whole new level.

[QUOTE=3LiftHeatCurse]146 shots on 6 assists for melo[/QUOTE]
Wow. what? This can't be true. A player who has the ball as much as him should get 6 assists by accident in 1-2 games, let alone 5:lol

Carmelo is what Kobe haters make him out to be

Well both Carmelo and KD(poor man's Carmelo) are one-dimensional players, they need to score to be effective. When they are scoring on high efficiency, their teammates also get better open looks. When their shots aint falling, theres little they can do to help the team.

Carmelo's game brings to mind the unofficial definition of insanity. How is it possible that he repeats the same actions over and over (i.e. plays the same way) and expects a different result?

Is it because he had success playing that way in college and high school?

I don't know how he can look at his numbers and feel like he's playing well. Does he not look past the 30 ppg and see the 39% shooting and [U]1.3 apg[/U]?

How can he just chuck and chuck and chuck and ball-stop and ball-stop and ball-stop, and think that he's taking the Knicks anywhere? And how can Knicks fans think that he's ever going to take them anywhere?

Using 65 possessions to put up 28 points isn't good basketball

funny thing is, celtics don't even play good defence. Wait till they face the pacers or heat