The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism

[QUOTE=miller-time]Racism is built on generalizations and stereotypes. Allow yourself some wiggle room by only including a segment of a group as opposed to the whole group. Generalizing doesn't make you racist, but it doesn't make you seem objective either.[/QUOTE]


I get the idea of your post, but if you are looking at the context? its totally ridiculous to try and nitpick me for saying "some" white people are scared to say the N word to my face..

Does it make me[B] MORE[/B] objective if I say "some" ?

Does that make the statement[B] LESS[/B] offensive?

& who gets offended if I say whites are scared to say that word? a racist who is himself scared to say it?

I just wonder where the quarrel with this distinction comes from... :confusedshrug:

Did you guys really miss the ****ing boat on Rasheed1's story?

The cop took the white woman's side. She was being belligerent, yelling and screaming and making up accusations towards him. Meanwhile, the crowd was supporting [i]him[/i].

What do you think would have happened if Rasheed1 was yelling and screaming at this woman, accusing her of calling him a racial slur while the onlookers defended the woman. Do you think the cop would have let him scream and yell behind his back while speaking with the woman?

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]I just wonder where the quarrel with this distinction comes from... :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

Just to point out, I wasn't worried about what you said. I knew what you meant. But people will nit pick this kind of thing because it is easy. Whenever I have a debate about anything I try to avoid generalizations because that is what people will bring up and you end up on tangents like this one lol. When you have people that just want to win an argument rather than exchange ideas it makes it easier in the long run to add that wiggle room as I said before. The quarrel from what I can tell comes from point scoring rather than legitimate criticism.

myf, u dippin in dat chocolate mang? :pimp:

[QUOTE=miller-time]Just to point out, I wasn't worried about what you said. I knew what you meant. But people will nit pick this kind of thing because it is easy. Whenever I have a debate about anything I try to avoid generalizations because that is what people will bring up and you end up on tangents like this one lol. When you have people that just want to win an argument rather than exchange ideas it makes it easier in the long run to add that wiggle room as I said before. The quarrel from what I can tell comes from point scoring rather than legitimate criticism.[/QUOTE]


:cheers: duly noted..

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzwwpQhSdk0[/url]

:wtf: .....:eek: .....:rolleyes: .....:facepalm

Of course whites see it as a non issue, what else is knew? :confusedshrug:

I think things have improved in some areas, but remained the same in others. Overall a slight improvement, but then again, I'm Mexican not black. It's unfair for me to say because I don't live in a black person's shoes every day.

We may see examples of black people being accepted more, but that doesn't mean that things overall are necessarily better.

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]Do you think they are just joking or do you think the internet simply gives them the freedom to say things they wouldnt dare say in public?[/QUOTE]

Some of it is trolling, sometimes immature people find it fun just to make others mad and they are jackasses that don't censor themselves from sensitive topics.

Eg. I made a thread when I was bored in the NBA forum where I argued that Kwame Brown was better than Havlicek. Also those douche bags that go to places women gather and chant "no means yes and yes means ****". I honestly believe people sometimes act like douches out of boredom.

But ya most of it is people saying stuff that they wouldn't publically. My point was say in a population of 300 million, 3 million held extreme racist beliefs. They would be the ones that make the news for spouting it online. everyone would focus on that and that would give imo a false impression.

[QUOTE]Went down south street recently... Me and My wife went to eat (My wife is Italian).. We eat in the restaurant and then we get ready to leave.. We both go to the bathroom I come out before her so I wait... She comes out fuming mad.. She says this white lady in the bathroom asked if she was "OK" and did she need help.. Apparently the white lady assumed the black guy (me) waiting outside the bathroom for her was causing her problems..
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Maybe its because I have never had to deal with something like that but I don't think something like that would affect me that much.

The thing with the parking space sucks and the cops suck, but do they really affect your life in the big scheme of things? did it prevent you from getting a job? did it prevent you from living your life? I have had people block parking spaces before, I just go find another most of the time.

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The funny thing is that I know white people know deep down inside that there is still alot of racism in America.. My brother in law is a cop (I know he knows).. His cop friend trained their big ass dog to attack black people..[/QUOTE]

i honestly don't think racism is a huge factor in america. I am not saying there aren't a lot of racists in this country. Of course there are. There are probably a bunch of child molesters, rapists, criminals, thieves, gang members, serial killers, etc. It doesn't define america.

Racism defined america pre 1980s. I think there were a lot of talented black people then that were denied jobs in corporate america because of their race. Based on my personal experience nowadays workplaces try not to look too white and male. They will spend effort to try to project diversity. Have had my bosses ask me to recommend someone and strongly hinted that they didn't want a white male. I just don't think people fail or succeed predominantly today because of their race.

We elected an african american president when african americans are only 12-13 percent of the population. At the very least the vast majority of people in this country aren't racist enough that they wont accept a black man as their president. Also I don't think everyone that voted against obama did it for racial reasons.

Just my personal experience but every racist white person i have met or known has either been old (50+) and/or been a total loser trailer park white trash with zero ability to actually negatively influence a non-white persons life. I tend to think most of these people will be dead in 20 years.

[QUOTE=Myth]Just to be clear, your scale is different from the video. I'd say about 50 if we are talking about "success" as you mentioned, and most of what keeps that down is based on a culture that was set up by white people generations ago that permeates through the educational system today, including differing expectations of black youth (I'm not just talking about being treated differently in the classroom, but I'm including parents who don't push education as much because what they were raised with in a white dominated society). Once it gets to the job interview if you have succeeded in academics, then I'd agree that you are judged on your capabilities in most situations.

However, the video asks for a scale of eliminating racism, which I would put that answer down to about 20-25. There are daily reminders of racial issues if you are not a white person blindly walking in a mostly white world.[/QUOTE]

I don't see that much difference in the scales. people hate me sometimes. As long as you aren't limiting my job opportunites or living conditions I could care less if someone hates me. I recently bought a residential property and am renting it out. This one lady I eventually was forced to evict, I know for a fact hated me by the end. Doesn't really affect me at all.

racism is only really impactful if it limits opportunities, and negatively affects a persons chances at success. Thats what we should work towards eliminating. there is always going to be trailer park hicks that hate minorities.

[QUOTE=Myth]No, everybody my age (29) and younger seems fine with it. However, I do notice that on my Facebook pics of me and her, I get less likes from cousins my age than I did when I was with another white person. I would say that tons of it is a generational problem, but it hasn't skipped my generation completely. I do think it will be less and less of a problem, just like it has become less and less of a problem over the decades already.[/QUOTE]

Racism is almost dead anyways. I have almost met zero young racists. mostly its old people who will die in like 20 years.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]@Mavsfan

Have you seen this video?
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge7i60GuNRg[/url][/QUOTE]

Admittedly that video made me a sad. personally I would have tried to get some authorities to stop all 3. I hate thieves.

I am not denying that level of racism exists. But does that really limit anything except for black people what want to be bike thieves?

I dont think black people have that huge of disadvantage when the go out seeking employment nowadays is all I am saying. Racism in this country has gotten a lot better. On the scale I laid out, (which no one is using :( ) I thought racism was 60-75% gone, as far as its ability to impact the lives of non-whites. I didnt say 100%. There are always going to be idiot racists, I am just saying they are powerless nowadays. I know people in my personal life that hate me, exs, tenants, 1 former co-worker. Doesn't affect me because they have no power over me. They can't prevent me from living where I like, and I dont think they have the ability to affect my financial prospects

Its like I had a black doctor and dentist back when I lived in dallas, I never thought any less of them than I would have a white doctor or dentist. I don't think most white people nowadays would either.

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]
Maybe its because I have never had to deal with something like that but I don't think something like that would affect me that much.

The thing with the parking space sucks and the cops suck, but do they really affect your life in the big scheme of things? did it prevent you from getting a job? did it prevent you from living your life? I have had people block parking spaces before, I just go find another most of the time.



i honestly don't think racism is a huge factor in america. I am not saying there aren't a lot of racists in this country. Of course there are. There are probably a bunch of child molesters, rapists, criminals, thieves, gang members, serial killers, etc. It doesn't define america.

Racism defined america pre 1980s. I think there were a lot of talented black people then that were denied jobs in corporate america because of their race. Based on my personal experience nowadays workplaces try not to look too white and male. They will spend effort to try to project diversity. Have had my bosses ask me to recommend someone and strongly hinted that they didn't want a white male. I just don't think people fail or succeed predominantly today because of their race.

We elected an african american president when african americans are only 12-13 percent of the population. At the very least the vast majority of people in this country aren't racist enough that they wont accept a black man as their president. Also I don't think everyone that voted against obama did it for racial reasons.

Just my personal experience but every racist white person i have met or known has either been old (50+) and/or been a total loser trailer park white trash with zero ability to actually negatively influence a non-white persons life. I tend to think most of these people will be dead in 20 years.[/QUOTE]


I respectfully disagree..

I know cops that are racist.. I know people who are CEOs of banks and other companies that have no nice feelings about black people..Like I said, my wife has bosses at her job job who have said racist things (and even sexist things).. Nothing prevents these people from firing her for even being married to a black person.. some white people dont like that sh*t ....

If you look at board of housing complaints? racism is still a big issue.

If you have ever seen the studies where people use black sounding names?

[url]http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html[/url]

its still there...

these people who feel this way arent just some old red necks living in a barn somewhere..

j/s

Victim mentality.

[QUOTE=Bucket_Nakedz]myf, u dippin in dat chocolate mang? :pimp:[/QUOTE]

:pimp:

Being black is tough. I feel like a lot of people Harbor racist mentalities but are cordial in person. The older I get the more disassociate with white people who are blissfully unaware of how different things are on the other side of the value chart .

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]
Racism is almost dead anyways. I have almost met zero young racists. mostly its old people who will die in like 20 years.[/QUOTE]

Oh, they are out there. There are people from my high school that I keep on Facebook simply as a way to stay grounded in the f*cked up views some people have. The Zimmerman trial brought out a bunch of racists (as did Obama's elections) from small town Oregon. I can only imagine the south.