Do you think life exists elsewhere in the universe?

[QUOTE=RoseCity07]This happens when children are indoctrinated. When you're told as a child that something is true, and that anyone that tells you otherwise is wrong, you don't really have a chance. That's why forcing religion on children is child abuse. Telling something what to think instead of how to think is sick.[/QUOTE]

:lol

This is funny. Coming from the guy who guarantees life is somewhere else.

"The man who thinks he is wise, is a fool. Only the man who knows he is a fool, is wise" - Socrates


You dont even know what the universe is. You dont know what creation is. You dont know how life started.

Yet here you have proclaimed "We are not alone in this Universe!"

:oldlol:

You have watched a documentary or two on the size of space and digested it as gospel. You have not given thought to what the information and contradictions of life could possibly mean. There are theories with a fair amount of gravitas within the scientific community that suggest an infinite number of slightly different parallel universes. If this is true, who is to say we are not within one of the variations wherein only Earth has evolved life in the universe? If there are infinite possibilities, surely that is one of them. But no, "I guarantee we are not alone!"

Consider that atoms technically do not even have STRUCTURE until we observe them. Who is to say you or I am not a being who only perceives the reality we live in, and the rest does not exist? If that is true, and we do not have aliens here, then there is nowhere else for them to be.

"Mich Kaku told me teh universe is THISSSSSS big! (Holds hands a part). Since Im not like a little christian sheep, i figureded out its like, we CANT be alone! I can guarantee it on the internet right now!"



:roll: This foolish, try-hard intellectual dweeb. Keep polishing up your "Thats racist!" political talking points and your "I know teh science, man!" intellectual affirmation crutch. You are literally the perfect liberal. You think you know everything, while somewhere (perhaps) Socrates is laughing at your stupid ass.









"I guarantee it!"

[QUOTE=step_back]I'd say it's impossible that there isn't life elsewhere in the universe. When people talk about Aliens we automatically think of advanced green men in flying saucers. This could be true however something as simple as marine life like fish would confirm Alien life.

I don't think we've ever been visited. A conspiracy like that would get leaked. I think places like Area 51 are so secretive because of what man is creating.[/QUOTE]


Its sad that even the wisest mind, a grain of sand on an endless beach, is still Mt Kilimanjaro compared to some of yours.

Rose City condemns people who read the bible and accept its conclusions on all of existence.

Then he goes and watches a space program, and accepts its conclusions on all of existence.

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Heres a tip, you silly f@ggot: Try reading or watching something, and then thinking.


:pimp:

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]Its sad that even the wisest mind, a grain of sand on an endless beach, is still Mt Kilimanjaro compared to some of yours.[/QUOTE]

And what are you basing your scientific theories on? Well I can't see it so it ain't there?

Stephen Hawking's has talked on many occasions about the possibility of life in our own Solar system. That isn't even a spec in our own galaxy. We estimate that the Universe is around 13.7 billion years old however that is just what we can see meaning it's the observable universe.

I'm sticking with the professor on this issue.

[QUOTE=step_back]
Stephen Hawking's has talked on many occasions about the [B][U]possibility[/U][/B] of life in our own Solar system. [/QUOTE]


And you and Rose City just kind of "finished his thought" for him by guaranteeing it, huh?

:oldlol:

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]And you and Rose City just kind of "finished his thought" for him by guaranteeing it, huh?

:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

That's funny, because I thought I entered a thread asking for peoples opinions?

Is this not a thread asking for peoples opinions? :eek:

Life exists here on ISH, that's all that matters.

[QUOTE=step_back]That's funny, because I thought I entered a thread asking for peoples opinions?

Is this not a thread asking for peoples opinions? :eek:[/QUOTE]


Is a guarantee a statement of fact or opinion?

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]Is a guarantee a statement of fact or opinion?[/QUOTE]

I said I think it's impossible that life doesn't exist elsewhere in the Universe. That's my opinion. Did I say I guaranteed it? No I didn't.

You seem to think I did, so I guess you won't have trouble quoting me then.


P.S You didn't answer the question I asked you. Is this not a thread asking for peoples opinions. It's a really easy answer....

[QUOTE=step_back]I said I think it's impossible that life doesn't exist elsewhere in the Universe. That's my opinion. Did I say I guaranteed it? No I didn't.

You seem to think I did, so I guess you won't have trouble quoting me then.


P.S You didn't answer the question I asked you. Is this not a thread asking for peoples opinions. It's a really easy answer....[/QUOTE]


Ok. Your stated opinion, about to be registered on the record, is that it's "impossible" there's no other life in the universe. Rose City said he "guarantees" there's life somewhere else.

If you want to push your credibility over that cliff, I won't stop you. I just want to make sure you're certain. Rose City has always been a fool and a poser, so for him there's nothing to lose. He might as well just throw stupid shit out there. It's too late for him.

But you, Step Back... I am less familiar with you. I want you to understand the company you're about to join by affirming your silly supposition. You are unaware of what a massive leap you are taking by assigning your infinitesimal scope of reality to far flung corners of the universe that have never been observed nor understood. Some scientists took a few measurements and said "This shit is really big!" and you are jumping the gun with an eager proclamation that "Ohhhh shit, we all up in this bitch wit dat science n shit, life be e'rrrrrwhere!" as if you even understand what life and reality are. [U]You don't.[/U]


So I'm just telling you. Drink from the goblet of hubris if you wish. But just realize, it is filled with a nectar that will satiate you and stunt your growth. You will be a chubby kid with fudgesicle on his face who must endlessly defend what he "knows" and attack those who "know" the opposite. You will become a prole. Locked in an ant farm with Rose City and all the other servant combat drones working to maintain the idea of what they "know."



Make your choice, Step Back. The moment is here.

[QUOTE=RoseCity07]This happens when children are indoctrinated. When you're told as a child that something is true, and that anyone that tells you otherwise is wrong, you don't really have a chance. That's why forcing religion on children is child abuse. Telling something what to think instead of how to think is sick.[/QUOTE]


Come one, Rose. What a straw man. I was raised religious and still am (i'm catholic) and no one ever forbid me of questioning anything. There lots of debates in my religion classes in my catholic school. And, please, there's no child abuse. Most of us were raised religious and we are just fine. We were not abused in anyway. I hate that sectarianism of some atheists. We should just get along and respect our worldviews. I understand the dislike for the fundamentalists that reject science and try to impose their worldview on all (even those who don't follow their religion), but a lot of religious people are not that at all.

[QUOTE=RoseCity07]I'm confident that yes life exists somewhere else in this universe. I would go as far to say I guarantee it. All the elements needed for life to exist are scattered throughout the universe. All our metals on this planet were created in our Sun. The gold and silver. The iron in our blood.

The universe is filled with stars like our sun and surrounded by planets. Statistically one of those planets had to have been formed in a similar manner at just the right distance. That would probably mean that as the planet cooled life formed in some body of water. First single celled organisms acted on by natural selection.[/QUOTE]

That's kind of odd. The same guy who rejects religion saying that. I mean I've heard atheists ridiculing faith and saying it is just "believing in something without any evidence". How can you be sure and, worse, guarantee that there is life outside our planet if we don't have any evidence for that? All we have are arguments and probabilites. And, BTW, that's fine.

My own opinion is that there probably is some primitive kind of life out there (of course I can't prove it, just a guess based on probablities) . But I don't think there is intelligent life. The thing is intelligent life is not some "goal" of evolution. Several unusal things had to happen, against all odds, since the beggining of earth, so that we could be here. I don't think that's likely. You should read about the rare earth hypotesis.

And even if the rare earth hypotesis is wrong. Where is the evidence of intelligent life? I mean. There can be billion of planets like earth. Odds would be that at least a few of them could develop civilizations with the tecnologoy to travel here or at least send some kind of message. That's where the fermi paradox enters. If it is so likely to be intelligent life, where's the evidence?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=RoseCity07]I'm confident that yes life exists somewhere else in this universe. I would go as far to say I guarantee it. All the elements needed for life to exist are scattered throughout the universe. [B]All our metals on this planet were created in our Sun. The gold and silver. The iron in our blood. [/B]

The universe is filled with stars like our sun and surrounded by planets. Statistically one of those planets had to have been formed in a similar manner at just the right distance. That would probably mean that as the planet cooled life formed in some body of water. First single celled organisms acted on by natural selection.[/QUOTE]


Holy crap, I only just noticed that part now. Not only is this guy completely self-unaware, but he is a downright academic ignoramus. Jezus. :facepalm

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]Ok. Your stated opinion, about to be registered on the record, i[B]s that it's "impossible" there's no other life in the universe. Rose City said he "guarantees" there's life somewhere else. [/B]

If you want to push your credibility over that cliff, I won't stop you. I just want to make sure you're certain. Rose City has always been a fool and a poser, so for him there's nothing to lose. He might as well just throw stupid shit out there. It's too late for him.

But you, Step Back... I am less familiar with you. I want you to understand the company you're about to join by affirming your silly supposition. You are unaware of what a massive leap you are taking by assigning your infinitesimal scope of reality to far flung corners of the universe that have never been observed nor understood. Some scientists took a few measurements and said "This shit is really big!" and you are jumping the gun with an eager proclamation that "Ohhhh shit, we all up in this bitch wit dat science n shit, life be e'rrrrrwhere!" as if you even understand what life and reality are. [U]You don't.[/U]


So I'm just telling you. Drink from the goblet of hubris if you wish. But just realize, it is filled with a nectar that will satiate you and stunt your growth. You will be a chubby kid with fudgesicle on his face who must endlessly defend what he "knows" and attack those who "know" the opposite. You will become a prole. Locked in an ant farm with Rose City and all the other servant combat drones working to maintain the idea of what they "know."



Make your choice, Step Back. The moment is here.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

Yeah, that's not even what I said. Also what does Rose City's opinion have to do with mine? We're not debating each other.

And what can you possibly teach me or anyone else for that matter about life? If you have the audacity to claim I know nothing about it then you must have a profound understanding of what it means. This is your platform Star Face start preaching.

[QUOTE=step_back]:facepalm

Yeah, that's not even what I said. Also what does Rose City's opinion have to do with mine? We're not debating each other.

And what can you possibly teach me or anyone else for that matter about life? If you have the audacity to claim I know nothing about it then you must have a profound understanding of what it means. This is your platform Star Face start preaching.[/QUOTE]


You and Rose City are now inexorably linked at the mind, and at the pelvis. Siamese twins of abstract destitution, jointly pursuing Billy Corgan's long elusive Siamese Dream. You will eat together. Bathe together. Belch, and blow the digestive gas into each others faces for all eternity. You will play in the sand with shovels and pales together at the beach, outfitted in a custom one-piece with two neckholes. Though you have two heads, you have but one mind at all times. You are bound to this man and he is bound to you. You will play joyless games of patty-cake while daydreaming about the sweet release of suicide. When you eat a hot pepper, he will cry and sneeze. When he eats a hot pepper, you will cry and sneeze. Your minds are an eternal repetition of the beginning sequence in Pink Floyd's video for "Money." Life no longer has meaning... but was there ever a time that it did? You can't remember. Rose City is listening in on your telephone conversations, but he can't help it. His head is next to yours. Why don't you ever call him by his real name?? His name is your name, too. Billie Jean [I]is[/I] your lover. This much we can be certain of.

Hello, friend. I'm Jim Nantz.

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]You and Rose City are now inexorably linked at the mind, and at the pelvis. Siamese twins of abstract destitution, jointly pursuing Billy Corgan's long elusive Siamese Dream. You will eat together. Bathe together. Belch, and blow the digestive gas into each others faces for all eternity. You will play in the sand with shovels and pales together at the beach, outfitted in a custom one-piece with two neckholes. Though you have two heads, you have but one mind at all times. You are bound to this man and he is bound to you. You will play joyless games of patty-cake while daydreaming about the sweet release of suicide. When you eat a hot pepper, he will cry and sneeze. When he eats a hot pepper, you will cry and sneeze. Your minds are an eternal repetition of the beginning sequence in Pink Floyd's video for "Money." Life no longer has meaning... but was there ever a time that it did? You can't remember. Rose City is listening in on your telephone conversations, but he can't help it. His head is next to yours. Why don't you ever call him by his real name?? His name is your name, too. Billie Jean [I]is[/I] your lover. This much we can be certain of.

Hello, friend. I'm Jim Nantz.[/QUOTE]

Predictable and lame:sleeping

You can try to squirm your way out of it all you want but I'll give you another shot though because I believe in second chances. What can you teach me or anyone else about life that we don't know?

P.S I know this is futile, but it's funny to watch you continue to dig yourself a hole.