The difference between LeBron and Jordan..straight to the facts and past the Nikecoms

Anybody with half a brain cell and actual basketball experience will tell you that the game was different back then. MJ didn't grab more rebounds because he couldn't, it was because his role was different due to the era he played in.

The era he played in was more big man dominated. The role for playing in the paint was primarily a big man's role where they lived. Unlike today in which big men play in the perimeter, they played in the paint which was tougher and grimier.

MJ also had to spend more energy that Bron does today. Not only did he have to fight multiple double/triple teams, physical play on offense, he also had to fight through multiple screens on defense, his man running all over the court. On the flip side, today's NBA is more stationary, more one on one, less physical so Bron doesn't have to use as much energy physically.

And then there's the most obvious reason as to why MJ didn't grab more rebounds, a reason so obvious a 10 year old will see it as such:

DIFFERENT POSITION

MJ's role is to guard the other wing players so defensively he's already further from the rim. He also has to chase down perimeter players and get position, they're also the first to get down the court and as a perimeter player he's supposed to protect until the bigs get down court.

Bron plays the point FORWARD position. And even tho his game is versatile he eventually has to guard players closer to the basket.

Yet, there's another reason why Bron has more rebounds

I know OP is trolling but so are MJ stans. People gotta admit that MJ Bulls were STACKED.

[QUOTE=SpurrDurr]I know OP is trolling but so are MJ stans. People gotta admit that MJ Bulls were STACKED.[/QUOTE]

the 91-93 bulls were STACKED?

[QUOTE=SpurrDurr]I know OP is trolling but so are MJ stans. People gotta admit that MJ Bulls were STACKED.[/QUOTE]
No one is saying the Bulls werent. Or Im not. But the Heat are stacked too.

What funny is how TonyMontana continues to spout how LeBron James won these last two championships on his own. Even in spite of his team. But then claims he didnt win in 11 due to not having better teammates. What gives? You cant give him all the credit when hiz team wins. Then place all the blame on his team when they lose.

tony :applause:

he really is a good poster. he honestly knows a lot about bball.

[QUOTE=diamenz][B]jordan fans/stans vs. lebron fans/stans. the good thing about the jordan folks is that they don't circle jerk each other.[/B]

jordan is labeled goat not only because of his stats, achievements, and awards; but because of what he actually did on the court. watch the games - it's not rocket science. he doesn't flop. he doesn't disappear when his team is down and then reappear when they're up. he didn't jump ship and play alongside zeke and joe. you can split hairs any way you want to, but the big picture says otherwise.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely UNTRUE.
Take this thread for example. All the Jordan stans all on cue are in this thread patting eachother on the back. Tony is single handedly taking all you circle jerkers on.
Again, another Jordaneer calling the kettle black when it's flip flopped in reality.

[QUOTE=SpurrDurr]I know OP is trolling but so are MJ stans. People gotta admit that MJ Bulls were STACKED.[/QUOTE]At least they didn't choke against elite teams like the Spurs do.

lebron is taller than MJ which is the only difference. /thread

[QUOTE=97 bulls]Even if you look at the 95 season. The Bulls were winning roughly 53% of their games. When Jordan shows up they jump to 76%[/QUOTE]

Where can I get pre and post Jordan numbers?

Great thread, but they don't want to hear it.

[QUOTE=sekachu]lebron is taller than MJ which is the only difference. /thread[/QUOTE]

So if the only difference is height then you're saying Lebron = MJ as a player. But height is an asset in basketball so therefor Lebron > MJ

Well let's end thread right there

[QUOTE=daily]Lebron James age 28, 10 seasons, 765 games
Michael Jordan age 28, 8 seasons, 589 games

[IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/6y0dut.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

For the sake of argument, even if you added an extra three years and Jordan got drafted out of HS the chart would still look the same. In three years previous no way Jordan would have won hardware in the prime of the Larry Bird/Magic Johnson era. The chart would look the same as TonyMontana's

Lack of big men today makes it EASIER for Lebron to hit the boards.. MJ had to deal with real skilled and athletic rebounding big men, Lebron faces a bunch of sissies on the boards compared to who the Bulls faced in the 90s.

Got lebron kiddos mentioning david west as a name thats supposed to impress anybody:oldlol: 93 Charles Barkley eats Lebrons for lunch on the boards and anywhere down low in the post. So does dennis rodman, pat ewing, shaq, hakeem, zo, mutumbo, malone, and every other big men that Jordan had to contend with.

[QUOTE=DaHeezy]For the sake of argument, even if you added an extra three years and Jordan got drafted out of HS the chart would still look the same. In three years previous no way Jordan would have won hardware in the prime of the Larry Bird/Magic Johnson era. The chart would look the same as TonyMontana's[/QUOTE]


Because winning MVP and rings in the 1980s was much harder than it is now. In the 1980s the competition for MVP was prime Larry Bird, prime Magic, prime Moses Malone. Lebron in his MVP seasons beat out 21 year old Durant, 23 year old Durant, 24 year old Durant, and 30 year old Kobe. The competition in the 1980s for the award is perhaps the most stacked of all time. The last 5 years of MVP have been a joke when you consider the competition. I mean Derrick Rose won an MVP in that span as well. You think he wins it if he's competing with Bird or Magic?

One of Montana's favorite reasons as to why he say LeBron is greater than Jordan is this crap about James being the first player in NBA history to lead his team to a chip with a bad FC, right? Well guess what, elite big men in today's NBA are a species in verge of extinction. It is so much easier to win a so so FC today than in 00's (prime Duncan, KG, Shaq, Gasol, Wallace, Howard) than the last few years. The game has become perimeter oriented. It was a rule of thumb you needed a stud C to win a title, GOAT MJ changed that. His "elite FC" in the first threepeat consisted of Cartwright, Will Purdue, Scott Williams and Horace Grant. Real bunch of HOFers. Don't get me wrong. I love me some Horace but TonyMontana wants to sale you the idea that Grant was an elite PF. He wasn't. He was a role player. MJ and to an extent, Pippen are the reason the Bulls won 6 titles. Me and countless of othe Bulls fans know this because we watched those games. There's a reason Jordan has a statue at the UC and not Grant. Montana is just a LeBron jockriding nerd that watched a few YouTube videos.

It isn't a real big deal that LeBron has won with what the OP call the worst NBA title winning FC because this is a weak era for FCs. Scrub Hibbert (he's nowhere near elite big man in the 80s/90s) forced the Heat to a 7th game . Just imagine what FCs like Hakeem/Thorpe, Ewing/Oakley, Robinson/Duncan, Shaq/Grant, Smitts/Davis Boys, Zo/Johnson, Parish/McHale, Rodman/Mahorn or Eaton/Malone would do to this Heat. Bloodbath. It ain't that impressive winning in this era of weak bigs. What Jordan did do was win without a legit big in the greatest era of bigs in NBA history.

MJ > LBJ and it ain't close.