Lazeruss has been flat out destroying the opposition with facts today :applause:
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Lazeruss has been flat out destroying the opposition with facts today :applause:
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]In his first TEN STRAIGHT games against Hakeem, Kareem AVERAGED 32 ppg on, get this... a .621 FG%. This from a 38-39 year old Kareem. BTW, he had THREE games of 40+ against Hakeem. AND, in the same week that he plastered Hakeem with a 46 point game (again, on 21-30 shooting, and in only 37 minutes), he hammered Ewing with a 40 point game, on 15-22 shooting, all while holding ewing to 9 points on 3-17 shooting. Again, from a 39 year old KAJ.[/QUOTE]
That's funny cause against Mychall Thompson, Prime KAJ was only able to average 23 ppg.
Mychall actually scored 38 points against Prime KAJ, the biggest out of their matchups.
Mychall must be better than Hakeem eh?
[QUOTE=iamgine]That's funny cause against Mychall Thompson, Prime KAJ was only able to average 23 ppg.
Mychall actually scored 38 points against Prime KAJ, the biggest out of their matchups.
Mychall must be better than Hakeem eh?[/QUOTE]
A 38-41 year old KAJ outscored Hakeem in their 23 career h2h's, and outshot him by a .607 to .512 margin.
A 39-41 year old KAJ outscored Ewing in their 8 career h2h's, and outshot him by a .581 to .446 margin.
BTW, Thompson NEVER faced a PRIME KAJ. But, in their five game 82-83 playoff matchup, a 35 year old KAJ averaged 30.8 ppg on a .621 FG% against him...all while holding Thompson to a 13.4 ppg .472 FG% series.
BUT, both Chamberlain and Thurmond did. In 28 career H2H's against Wilt, a PRIME Kareem shot .464. And in 50 career H2H's against Nate, he shot a very educated estimated FG% of .440.
And, if you want domination, Moses badly outplayed KAJ in their 40 career H2H's. Of course, he faced KAJ from '77-78 on. A prime KAJ was playing in the early 70's.
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]A 38-41 year old KAJ outscored Hakeem in their 23 career h2h's, and outshot him by a .607 to .512 margin.
A 39-41 year old KAJ outscored Ewing in their 8 career h2h's, and outshot him by a .581 to .446 margin.
BTW, Thompson NEVER faced a PRIME KAJ.
BUT, both Chamberlain and Thurmond did. In 28 career H2H's against Wilt, a PRIME Kareem shot .464. And in 50 career H2H's against Nate, he shot a very educated estimated FG% of .440.
And, if you want domination, Moses badly outplayed KAJ in their 40 career H2H's. Of course, he faced KAJ from '77-78 on. A prime KAJ was playing in the early 70's.[/QUOTE]
Again with the pick and choose. That is the problem with bridge theory. Fact is:
Against Mychall Thompson, Prime KAJ was only able to average a very educated estimated 23 ppg.
Mychall actually scored a very educated estimated 38 points against Prime KAJ, the biggest out of their matchups.
This is the stupidest ****ing topic ever on this board and that's saying a lot.
[QUOTE=iamgine]Again with the pick and choose. That is the problem with bridge theory. Fact is:
Against Mychall Thompson, Prime KAJ was only able to average a very educated estimated 23 ppg.
Mychall actually scored a very educated estimated 38 points against Prime KAJ, the biggest out of their matchups.[/QUOTE]
Or that KAJ in their first 11 games, at ages 30-34, averaged 27.4 ppg against Thompson. Or that we don't have their known FG% numbers in their first 15 games, but that from their 16th game to their 39th game, KAJ shot .554 from the field. And once again, in their entire ten game post-season h2h's, KAJ averaged 25.9 ppg on a .568 FG%. BUT, in their 82-83 playoff series, covering five games, Kareem averaged 31 ppg on a .621 FG%.
Of course, and once again, Mychal Thompson NEVER faced a PRIME KAJ, either (an early to mid-70's Kareem.) In those seasons in which Kareem was averaging 30-35 ppg.
[QUOTE=iamgine]Again with the pick and choose. That is the problem with bridge theory. Fact is:
Against Mychall Thompson, Prime KAJ was only able to average a very educated estimated 23 ppg.
Mychall actually scored a very educated estimated 38 points against Prime KAJ, the biggest out of their matchups.[/QUOTE]
Wrong. The only versions of prime/close to prime Kareem (up to 1981) averaged 26.9 ppg against Thomspon, without even feeling the need to prove anything against him, like he did against Hakeem.
BTW, for others, this scoring "inconsistency" is called stepping up to competition, but now it's called "problem with the bridge theory". How about this inconsistency?
[QUOTE=Psileas]Wrong. The only versions of prime/close to prime Kareem (up to 1981) averaged 26.9 ppg against Thomspon, without even feeling the need to prove anything against him, like he did against Hakeem.
BTW, for others, this scoring "inconsistency" is called stepping up to competition, but now it's called "problem with the bridge theory". How about this inconsistency?[/QUOTE]
The bridge theory is absurd. To take a 39 yrs old Kareem and pick and choose games against a very young Hakeem and call it the "bridge". How about the style these teams play? How about having the GOAT PG on the team? How about the fact that despite nowhere near his prime, Hakeem killed the Lakers in the playoff?
Also in the same note to take Wilt vs a very young Kareem. And then bashing him for never averaging Wilt's peak numbers. How absurd.
[QUOTE=iamgine]The bridge theory is absurd. To take a 39 yrs old Kareem and pick and choose games against a very young Hakeem and call it the "bridge". How about the style these teams play? How about having the GOAT PG on the team? How about the fact that despite nowhere near his prime, Hakeem killed the Lakers in the playoff?
Also in the same note to take Wilt vs a very young Kareem. And then bashing him for never averaging Wilt's peak numbers. How absurd.[/QUOTE]
What's absurd is the idea that any sort of 'era' boundaries exist. At no point did any different generation of players suddenly become irrelevant or inferior, there are new rookies every season, and new rule changes every couple of seasons throughout NBA history and at no point did any rookies or rule changes ever make any veterans seem like a suddenly outdated mold of basketball player.
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]What's absurd is the idea that any sort of 'era' boundaries exist. At no point did any different generation of players suddenly become irrelevant or inferior, there are new rookies every season, and new rule changes every couple of seasons throughout NBA history and at no point did any rookies or rule changes ever make any veterans seem like a suddenly outdated mold of basketball player.[/QUOTE]
If that's true, then we'd agree that George Mikan was just as good as Dwight Howard.
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]What's absurd is the idea that any sort of 'era' boundaries exist. At no point did any different generation of players suddenly become irrelevant or inferior, there are new rookies every season, and new rule changes every couple of seasons throughout NBA history and at no point did any rookies or rule changes ever make any veterans seem like a suddenly outdated mold of basketball player.[/QUOTE]
I'd agree, except for the introduction of the shot clock. Totally changed the game, and forced a lot of great players who couldn't adapt out of the league. From 54-55 to the present there's a great deal of continuity.
[QUOTE=iamgine]If that's true, then we'd agree that George Mikan was just as good as Dwight Howard.[/QUOTE]
If Mikan was given different rules and shown the different ways to capitalize on them the way the game is played tody, who's to say he couldn't? The guy was 245-280lbs and 6-10 (very likely a w/o shoes measurement) in an era where everybody (including himself) did not lift weights, he was physically very massive and strong, and had the natural stamina and coordination not to mention competitive drive at that size to not only play NBA basketball - but to be the very best in the world at it at the time he was playing.
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He had the competitive mindset to outright destroy opponents - he took dance lessons off the court to improve his coordination - basically he'd try anything and do anything to win. He has that very special raw ingredient to be a dominant big man - and I'm not just talking about his physical tools which are there I'm talking about the single most important component of all, the muscle between his ears.
If Brook Lopez can be the #1 scoring big man in the NBA last season, a guy who can't rebound a lick and is about as coordinated as Herman Munster, than I'm pretty sure Mikan could comfortably adjust to a slightly different version of the game he once dominated.
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Kobe, playing 41 mpg, averaged over 27 FGAs on a weak team in '06, and in a league that averaged 80 FGAs per team.
And Wilt in '62 was not just shooting inside shots. He came into the league with a range of up to 15 ft, and was taking turn-around bank shots from 12 feet.
Put a '62 Wilt on a similar crappy roster in '13, and he likely would lead the league in shot attempts. The fact that we haven't seen big men do it in the last few seasons is more of a reflection on the inept big men playing the game, than the defenses they are facing.
And as recently as the '01 Finals, Shaq averaged 26 FGAs and 15 FTAs in the the six game Finals against the Pacers, en route to a 38 ppg average. And a few years before that, Hakeem averaged 29.5 FGAs, on a team that averaged a total of 78 FGAs, against Shaq in the '95 Finals. So clearly, it was possible.
In any case, I get tired of posters attempting to use "pace" against Wilt, and coming up with ludicrous numbers like he would be a 22-14 guy. Even adjusting for "pace" Wilt's 61-62 was the greatest scoring season in NBA history.
And based on a simple math, Wilt's 61-62 season translates to a 41 ppg, 17 rpg, .590 FG% season in 12-13.
The rest would be pure speculation. BUT, we have THE "bridge" in Kareem to make cross-era comparisons. KAJ played four years IN the Chamberlain-era, and didn't come close to the huge numbers that a prime Chamberlain leveled against many of the same centers that the two faced. And we know a 39 year old KAJ was capable of 46 point games, on 70% shooting, and in only 37 minutes, against a young Hakeem. And a peak Hakeem battled a young Shaq to a near-draw in the '95 Finals. Based on Shaq being the most dominant player in the league in the early 00's, and you can draw your own conclusions as to how a peak Chamberlain would fare in today's NBA.[/QUOTE]
Wilt would be nowhere as good as players like Kobe or Shaq in this era, so no team would give him 30 FGAs. His best bet is being Dwight Howard type player in the modern era.
[QUOTE=iamgine]The bridge theory is absurd. To take a 39 yrs old Kareem and pick and choose games against a very young Hakeem and call it the "bridge". How about the style these teams play? How about having the GOAT PG on the team? How about the fact that despite nowhere near his prime, Hakeem killed the Lakers in the playoff?
Also in the same note to take Wilt vs a very young Kareem. And then bashing him for never averaging Wilt's peak numbers. How absurd.[/QUOTE]
"The bridge"-theory is nothing but utter bogus and Lazeruss (Jlauber) is a clown for even using it and it gets even worse when he only cherry picks games.
Like he'll say that rookie and 2nd year pro Olajuwon got [B]destroyed [/B]by Kareem and therefor the bridge is so valid. But it's funny, [B]he will not tell you that the 2nd year pro absolutely destroyed the Lakers and Kareem in his 2nd pro season during the Rockets playoff run.[/B] The same playoff-run where Olajuwon outplayed Kareem big time in the playoffs as a 2nd year pro.
And to understand what kind of clown Lazeruss is you need to know this. In '72 Wilt and Kareem faced each other both during the regular season and the playoffs and before getting totally destroyed he used to claim that Wilt "murdered" Kareem that year.
[B]Then of course it was nothing but fiction. Kareem averaged 40 points on 50% shooting against Wilt in the regular season and in the playoffs he outscored Wilt with 23 points.. [U]PER GAME[/U].[/B]
81 is the measuring bar
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