16-year-old boy killed four people while driving drunk

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]We infantilize people too much in our society. you see these 20+ yr olds still living with their parents.

[B]16 is old enough to know better.[/B] I knew better at 16. I know that we dont give out the death penalty for manslaughter. I am just saying I would have no problem with it if we did.

I also know that it is not technically a murderer, just saying to me he is a murderer. Eg. technically neither george bush or Obama are murderers, but to me they are.[/QUOTE]
no it isn't...and apparently this kid had the emotional state of a 12 year old too

Just everyone is stupid and clueless at age 16...I honestly wish the age limit to get a drivers licence was raised to 17-18

[QUOTE=ROCSteady]Of course those families have my sympathy. That's pretty much a given for innocent people killed and those affected by a horrendous, nonsensical act like this.

Hate to break it to you but just because a story like this is maddening and someone is knowingly 100% wrong or guilty does not mean that person deserves to die. Does he deserve a much more harsh penalty? Absolutely. Is the American (your dumbass state in this instance) justice system flawed and inconsistent? For sure.

[B]It's just your weak, blood thirsty attitude is nonsensical for a tragedy like this which really was a pointless act of unfathomable judgment. If you can't see the differences in the D.C. sniper, Boston Marathon bombers, shooter in Colorado who murdered people as their primary objective and this foolish young driver than I don't know what to tell you. To lump them in with this young guy is just a ridiculous stance. He killed people, yes, ruined multiple lives but despite your pitchfork mentality, intent is important when sentencing people guilty of crimes.
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I guess you are just simple and have a lazy mentality if you cannot see the margins that exist within this tragedy and the evil acts you try to compare it to.

What to do? Ah, execute everybody who has ever taken a life! Sure buddy, those killed cannot be brought back but they can't be brought back by capital punishment either. Way to perpetuate the stereotypes about your backwards ass state. People like you have a right to have an opinion in these matters but the validity of them belongs grouped within a vacuum that is far removed from actual reality and the complicated nuances that cause and effect can have.[/QUOTE]

I think those guys deserve to die more. If I was in control (ala kim jong un) eric couch would die also.

I want eric couch to die im not going to deny that. But I have never said that according to our laws he should die. I think our laws are too lenient in these cases.

[QUOTE]I guess you are just simple and have a lazy mentality if you cannot see the margins that exist within this tragedy and the evil acts you try to compare it to.
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The acts I brought up were to defend the concept of the death penalty, and how I wish it were applied. I never said this case was as bad.

I recognize this kid didnt intend to kill people. But he killed four people. I want him to die.

[QUOTE]What to do? Ah, execute everybody who has ever taken a life! Sure buddy, those killed cannot be brought back but they can't be brought back by capital punishment either.[/QUOTE]

I have never said that. I think there are legitimate reasons to take a life. Eg self defense.

Also I clear indicated I think the justice system should have an element of punitive punishment in it.

[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]I agree with all this except you trying to pin shit on Texas as though other states don't have flawed court rooms...money affects legal issues everywhere[/QUOTE]

Yes, this is true. I'm sorry. I shouldn't demonize the state of Texas over this shit because that's not very level-headed. It's just that I have a lot of loved ones in my family that I enjoy visiting often in Texas and some of them have this idea that Texas is the greatest state and extra proud and have this idea of superiority about their Conservative ideals and the 'right' way to govern things.

It's just gets on my nerves the attitude about how sufficient and affective Texas is compared to other states while also doing a lot of terrible things like wrongful execution, etc. I will say that Texas is a great state and it has a strong identity there but the attitude of many Texans is much too arrogant, dismissive and tunnel-visioned for me not to have an issue with the way they prop up their internal dealings while also having a history of having a more savage nature.

[QUOTE=ROCSteady]Wow you certainly have a very...dismissive mentality i.e. you don't think things through before coming to an ultimate judgment.[/QUOTE]
Im sorry if I have given you that impression.
I am actually a very introspective person.
I am more vindictive/less forgiving than you.

All I was saying is I hope eric couch dies, because his actions killed 4 innocent people. I know there wasnt a possibility he would get the death penalty anywhere in America. I was lamenting that fact.

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]I think those guys deserve to die more. If I was in control (ala kim jong un) eric couch would die also.

I want eric couch to die im not going to deny that. But I have never said that according to our laws he should die. I think our laws are too lenient in these cases.



The acts I brought up were to defend the concept of the death penalty, and how I wish it were applied. I never said this case was as bad.

I recognize this kid didnt intend to kill people. But he killed four people. I want him to die.



I have never said that. I think there are legitimate reasons to take a life. Eg self defense.

Also I clear indicated I think the justice system should have an element of punitive punishment in it.[/QUOTE]

Well good thing you have zero involvement in any of these matters. You must have very little compassion to wish death upon every single person who has committed murder. What about crimes of passion in which murder was not premeditated but the unfortunate outcome? That's not self defense either but I guess it's off to the chambers with every single one of them, no hope for them. Murderers can be redeemed and the motivations of terrible acts, even in homicide, can be very tricky and way less ruthless than dismissing every killer as a ruthless animal that needs to be put down.

[QUOTE=ROCSteady]Well good thing you have zero involvement in any of these matters. You must have very little compassion to wish death upon every single person who has committed murder. What about crimes of passion in which murder was not premeditated but the unfortunate outcome? That's not self defense either but I guess it's off to the chambers with every single one of them, no hope for them. Murderers can be redeemed and the motivations of terrible acts, even in homicide, can be very tricky and way less ruthless than dismissing every killer as a ruthless animal that needs to be put down.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Well good thing you have zero involvement in any of these matters.[/QUOTE]
no more so than you. we both only have our vote :cheers:

Unless you have been elected to a legislative position?

[QUOTE]You must have very little compassion to wish death upon every single person who has committed murder.[/QUOTE]
I think people like you have too little compassion for the victims and too much for the perps.

I have never said that I wished death on everyone that committed a murder.
Obviously you take it on a case by case bases. Eg, your examples of a crime of passion.

Eg. like in that movie a time to kill. Felt nothing by smpathy for Carl Lee Hailey (obviously with the exception of the deputy he injured and caused the amputation of.
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I am saying eric couch did enough imo to deserve to die, for his actions in this case. I might feel totally different about another case.

[QUOTE]What about crimes of passion in which murder was not premeditated but the unfortunate outcome?[/QUOTE]
We are all capable of deductive reasoning. We can all decided on the merits any individual case and how we feel about it.

[QUOTE]Murderers can be redeemed and the motivations of terrible acts, even in homicide, can be very tricky and way less ruthless than dismissing every killer as a ruthless animal that needs to be put down.[/QUOTE]

I dont think Couch needs to be put down, I would like to see him put down out of vengeance. its how I would feel if one of the people he killed were a family member of mine. So I think it would be hypocritical to be lenient on him just because I dont know the people he killed. Somebody knew them and somebody loved them and they deserve justice and vengeance imo.

His name is Ethan, not Eric. Pretty sure you're thinking of the former Nebraska QB lol.

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]no more so than you. we both only have our vote :cheers:

Unless you have been elected to a legislative position?


I think people like you have too little compassion for the victims and too much for the perps.

I have never said that I wished death on everyone that committed a murder.
Obviously you take it on a case by case bases. Eg, your examples of a crime of passion.

Eg. like in that movie a time to kill. Felt nothing by smpathy for Carl Lee Hailey (obviously with the exception of the deputy he injured and caused the amputation of.
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I am saying eric couch did enough imo to deserve to die, for his actions in this case. I might feel totally different about another case.


We are all capable of deductive reasoning. We can all decided on the merits any individual case and how we feel about it.



I dont think Couch needs to be put down, I would like to see him put down out of vengeance. its how I would feel if one of the people he killed were a family member of mine. So I think it would be hypocritical to be lenient on him just because I dont know the people he killed. Somebody knew them and somebody loved them and they deserve justice and vengeance imo.[/QUOTE]

c-c-c-combo!

[QUOTE=ace23]His name is Ethan, not Eric. Pretty sure you're thinking of the former Nebraska QB lol.[/QUOTE]
my bad

also this murder was justified imo
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3Hyxuf5AE[/url]

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]my bad

also this murder was justified imo
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3Hyxuf5AE[/url][/QUOTE]
Lol @ 5 years probation

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]no more so than you. we both only have our vote :cheers:

Unless you have been elected to a legislative position?


I think people like you have too little compassion for the victims and too much for the perps.

I have never said that I wished death on everyone that committed a murder.
Obviously you take it on a case by case bases. Eg, your examples of a crime of passion.

Eg. like in that movie a time to kill. Felt nothing by smpathy for Carl Lee Hailey (obviously with the exception of the deputy he injured and caused the amputation of.
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I am saying eric couch did enough imo to deserve to die, for his actions in this case. I might feel totally different about another case.


We are all capable of deductive reasoning. We can all decided on the merits any individual case and how we feel about it.



I dont think Couch needs to be put down, I would like to see him put down out of vengeance. its how I would feel if one of the people he killed were a family member of mine. So I think it would be hypocritical to be lenient on him just because I dont know the people he killed. Somebody knew them and somebody loved them and they deserve justice and vengeance imo.[/QUOTE]

Hell no I have zero desire to be an elected public official.

Vengeance doesn't get anybody anywhere, it doesn't ever really heal any loss of the heart for the families. It is a temporary resonance mostly that just adheres to the primal side of human beings. What's done is done and nothing can change that void for the surviving relatives. I really don't have any compassion for the drunk teenager, you're implying that I think he should be consoled and hugged for his life-altering mistake because he was young and dumb. I don't think that at all. I just think it's irresponsible and a downright lazy mentality to think he should be killed for this, no matter how horrific and angering his actions are.

I would like to think as human beings we continue to evolve and improve instead of clinging to Dark Ages mentality when handling wrongdoers. I guess you approve of a static nature of society. I guess it's all good to you since lethal injections have replaced beheadings, crucifixions, hangings, firing squads etc. but the mentality is the same as the primitive. Mankind just repeats its nature over and over and over again, whether or not its really given the real victims (families) any peace. Calling for blood as often as you seem to is funny because I doubt people like you (mob mentality pitchforkers) who yearn for the scalps of perps while not having any direct connection to the incident don't lose any sleep over these things. Yet you want to stamp the punctuation on someone's existence when this will be out of your mind in the near future. Funny.

Enjoy thinking primitive

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]my bad

also this murder was justified imo
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3Hyxuf5AE[/url][/QUOTE]


I don't have any problem with what that father did, I thought it admirable he said Fck the Law in this instance. It takes balls and principles to go through with that. Ultimately, the judge and jurors understood his motivations and I would have too.

Man if the sentencing in this case isn't a sign of blatant racism in society, then I don't know what would be. :facepalm

[QUOTE=ROCSteady]I don't have any problem with what that father did, I thought it admirable he said Fck the Law in this instance. It takes balls and principles to go through with that. Ultimately, the judge and jurors understood his motivations and I would have too.[/QUOTE]
I agree.

Each case needs to be evaluated individually. I read a case a while ago this guy killed the priest that molested him as a kid, and got time for it. I wouldnt have given him any time.

In the case of couch he killed 4 people with his actions.

IIRC
he stole the alcohol and pills.
He was underaged drinking.
There is zero debate about this sequence of events.

He killed 4 innocent people unprovoked. I wish he would be executed. I imagine how I would feel if one of the 4 were my loved ones.

[QUOTE=ROCSteady]Hell no I have zero desire to be an elected public official.

Vengeance doesn't get anybody anywhere, it doesn't ever really heal any loss of the heart for the families. It is a temporary resonance mostly that just adheres to the primal side of human beings. What's done is done and nothing can change that void for the surviving relatives. I really don't have any compassion for the drunk teenager, you're implying that I think he should be consoled and hugged for his life-altering mistake because he was young and dumb. I don't think that at all. I just think it's irresponsible and a downright lazy mentality to think he should be killed for this, no matter how horrific and angering his actions are.

I would like to think as human beings we continue to evolve and improve instead of clinging to Dark Ages mentality when handling wrongdoers. I guess you approve of a static nature of society. I guess it's all good to you since lethal injections have replaced beheadings, crucifixions, hangings, firing squads etc. but the mentality is the same as the primitive. Mankind just repeats its nature over and over and over again, whether or not its really given the real victims (families) any peace. Calling for blood as often as you seem to is funny because I doubt people like you (mob mentality pitchforkers) who yearn for the scalps of perps while not having any direct connection to the incident don't lose any sleep over these things. Yet you want to stamp the punctuation on someone's existence when this will be out of your mind in the near future. Funny.

Enjoy thinking primitive[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Vengeance doesn't get anybody anywhere, it doesn't ever really heal any loss of the heart for the families. [/QUOTE]
I disagree. I know it would make me feel better to see couch die, if he killed someone I loved.

[QUOTE]I really don't have any compassion for the drunk teenager, you're implying that I think he should be consoled and hugged for his life-altering mistake because he was young and dumb. I don't think that at all.[/QUOTE]
So whats your alternative?

Second of all it makes no difference to me if couch can redeem himself. My point is he took away 4 people's chance at life. IMO he doesnt deserve one either.

[QUOTE]I just think it's irresponsible and a downright lazy mentality to think he should be killed for this, no matter how horrific and angering his actions are.[/QUOTE]
We fundamentally disagree.
I have zero problem with the death penalty in theory. I do have a huge problem with how it is implemented. Eg. the cases where the executed party turned out to be innocent.

I have read stories where the DA just wants a conviction and holds back evidence. I think thats despicable and those DAs should be prosecuted.

But the concept of capital punishment to me is completely fair and just. It should be limited to cases where guilty is 100% certain and should be applied more often imo.

Also obviously you take into consideration mitigating circumstances.

[QUOTE]I would like to think as human beings we continue to evolve and improve instead of clinging to Dark Ages mentality when handling wrongdoers.[/QUOTE]

Some things humans got right from the beginning:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE]I guess you approve of a static nature of society.[/QUOTE]
Nope, I am all about technology, education, etc.

Eg. I am an atheist, who believes in the scientific process.

You seem too quick to group people into categories based on one political view point.

[QUOTE]I guess it's all good to you since lethal injections have replaced beheadings, crucifixions, hangings, firing squads etc. but the mentality is the same as the primitive.[/QUOTE]
agreed.

[QUOTE]Calling for blood as often as you seem to is funny because I doubt people like you (mob mentality pitchforkers) who yearn for the scalps of perps while not having any direct connection to the incident don't lose any sleep over these things. Yet you want to stamp the punctuation on someone's existence when this will be out of your mind in the near future. Funny.[/QUOTE]
I am calling for couch's execution because it is what I would hope would be done if he had killed a love one of mine.

Maybe you can forgive the killing of your mom and sister, but I wouldnt be able to. I would laterally be throwing up right now if it was one of my loved ones killed by couch. And I think if you hold opinions like mine, you hold a responsibility to hold them for other people as well as your own loved ones.

I want to stamp a period on couch's existence, because he did so for 4 innocent people.

[QUOTE]Enjoy thinking primitive[/QUOTE]
Learn to debate without ad hominem attacks.