Why did the bulls still win 55 games without jordan?

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Pippen = Greatest Combination of Driving-Ballhandling-Finshing-Offense Creating-Passing AND 1-4 DEFENSE to Ever Play[/B].:bowdown:[/QUOTE]
that would be lebron but thanks for your input

[QUOTE=97 bulls]I like Rodman because he could dominate and take over games with his defense and rebounding. I can't see Grant dominating a series the way Rodman did Seattle. Or defend Shaq the way Rodman did.[/QUOTE]

I'm just saying that I don't think they need Rodman with Grant playing like he did in 94 to win. But with Rodman, as you said, will dominate the game with his rebounds. Especially offense rebounds and defense.

Horace Grant was a really good role player, the Bulls were a mediocre team in 1994-95 with Pippen/Kukoc/Armstrong (a shade over .500) until Jordan returned and led them to a 13-4 finish (which is a 63 win pace), so why does Horace Grant not get any love?

The other reason the Bulls did a little better that season is honestly IMO I think some teams took them lightly that year thinking they could cruise into Chicago and mail in a win without Jordan there. The Bulls played their ass off that year because everyone was expecting them to fold and they had a massive chip on their shoulder and I think that caught more than a couple of teams by surprise.

By 1994-95 it was clear Pippen/Kukoc/Armstrong alone couldn't make the Bulls a very good team though. Teams game planned for them more carefully and the loss of Grant made them a mediocre team.

If Jordan hadn't come back that franchise was going nowhere.

[QUOTE=sportjames23]Let's see:

1) They added Toni Kukoc to a very good team. Grant and Armstrong joined Pippen in the All Star Game.

2) They still won 2 games less than the previous year when they COASTED so that Jordan and Pippen wouldn't be worn out from playing a F*CKTON of games in 1992 (NBA Finals AND the Olympics).

[B]3) And they LOST in the Second Round WITHOUT MJ. Matter of fact, it was the only time the Bulls lost to the Knicks during their rivalry.[/B]


Funny how the fakkit MJ haters always seem to overlook these facts.[/QUOTE]

1993 Knicks Bulls series game 5 was rigged.

[QUOTE=BoutPractice]What if - and this is just a what if, purely hypothetical question - but what if the greatest player of all time also happened to play for a great team?[/QUOTE]

Jordan stans & Lebron haters when they read your comment :

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[QUOTE=97 bulls]Pippen helped Jordans game evolve as well

Here's an excerpt from an interview with Phil Jackson


Jordan himself stated that Pippen made him a better player

[B]"I know he makes me a better player. Unfortunately, it may take awhile, after we both retire, for people to realize just how good Scottie Pippen really was." -[/B]

This crazy notion that Pippen was made by Jordan needs to die.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Jordan also benefit from pippen in their 2nd 3peat, because MJ got rusty and he's getting old, Pippen already a matured player and fully developed in 94-95 and that pippen help Jordan enhance and remake his game no doubt that's also the reason why MJ is so refine, BUT still MJ made pippen from his skinny bench warmer years up to his first ring.

[QUOTE=Droid101]Wow, someone who clearly didn't watch the playoffs that year. Pip and Chuck went crazy. Hakeem averaged 13 PPG in the playoffs. He was terrible.

You're a joke of a person.

In the third game of that series Pip had 37-13-4 and Chuck had 30-23-5. Hakeem had 5 points.[/QUOTE]

So the **** what? That's not my point. I couldn't careless if they both score 100ppg 100rpg that series. The fact is that they still lost 1st Round and the pippen that they say impact the bulls couldn't even save the rockets no matter what stat he produce

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Magic isn't better than Jordan and [B]neither is Wilt [SIZE="4"]and it's not even close[/SIZE][/B].[/QUOTE]

What makes Jordan better than Stilt? Chamberlain's the better scorer, passer, defender, rebounder. Wilt has 56 NBA single-season records to Jordan's 4. Wilt nearly QUADRUPLED the number of 50 point games Jordan had in his career. Wilt led the league in assists, fg%, minutes and rebounds 29 times to Jordan's Zero. He also led the league in assists one year, averaging 8.6 apg. Jordan never led the league in apg (and mind you, this is when assists were easier to accumulate for Jordan). He owns 6 of the 9 70+ point games in history - Jordan has zero. He topped Jordan's best scoring season three times and Wilt's best scoring season is 13 ppg higher than Jordan's.

Player top 6 prime years averages:
Michael Jordan(1986-1987 season to 1991-1992 season)
33.3ppg, 6.3rpg, 6.1apg, 52.2%FG, 29.6%3PT, 84.7%FT

Wilt Chamberlain(1959-1960 season to 1964-1965 season)
40.6ppg, 24.9rpg, 3.1apg, 50.7%FG, 55.3%FT

And at his peak, he averaged about 24/24/9, and took out the stacked Boston team, with a strong GOAT candidate leading it, Jordan has nothing on that.

[QUOTE=MadSolar]Yea the Bulls with MJ were UNBEATABLE in the 90's. That 1996 Bulls team went 72-10 GOAT Team.


Is that supposed to hurt MJ? Hell yea they'd spank this heat team. MJ, Pippen, Rodman > LBJ, Wade, Bosh[/QUOTE]
They lost in 95 with Jordan.

[QUOTE=hadAudio One]What makes Jordan better than Stilt? Chamberlain's the better scorer, passer, defender, rebounder. Wilt has 56 NBA single-season records to Jordan's 4. Wilt nearly QUADRUPLED the number of 50 point games Jordan had in his career. Wilt led the league in assists, fg%, minutes and rebounds 29 times to Jordan's Zero. He also led the league in assists one year, averaging 8.6 apg. Jordan never led the league in apg (and mind you, this is when assists were easier to accumulate for Jordan). He owns 6 of the 9 70+ point games in history - Jordan has zero. He topped Jordan's best scoring season three times and Wilt's best scoring season is 13 ppg higher than Jordan's.

Player top 6 prime years averages:
Michael Jordan(1986-1987 season to 1991-1992 season)
33.3ppg, 6.3rpg, 6.1apg, 52.2%FG, 29.6%3PT, 84.7%FT

Wilt Chamberlain(1959-1960 season to 1964-1965 season)
40.6ppg, 24.9rpg, 3.1apg, 50.7%FG, 55.3%FT

jordan has the highest ppg average in nba history has more rings and never lost in the finals. there are legitimate candidates vs jordan but wilts not one of them

And at his peak, he averaged about 24/24/9, and took out the stacked Boston team, with a strong GOAT candidate leading it, Jordan has nothing on that.[/QUOTE]

jordan averaged more points has more rings and never lost in the finals.

[QUOTE=PsychoBe]jordan averaged more points has more rings and never lost in the finals.[/QUOTE]

Oh please, those padded-stats must look nice, getting his ass handed to him in the first round for 3 straight years, and another 2nd round exit. 1-9 playoff record w/o Pippen, and missed the playoffs more often. The teams he beat wouldn't even make the top-20 teams of all-time. Chamberlain consistenly got his teams further in the post-season, and spent half his career in the Finals, can Jordan say that?

Russell
Thurmond
Alcindor
Lovellette
Reed
Gilmore
Cowens
Heinsohn
Lanier
Unseld

Who was Jordan's competition, Drexler? :lol

Everybody knows Chicago only started winning because of Father Time. Stilt took out his comtemporary in his prime, in a strong era, can't say the same for Mike

And can anyone find me evidence of Wilt quitting in a game like Jordan did against Detroit in 89? Game 5, Doug Collins complained that Mike was ball-hogging, so he mails it in that game, look it up. Always hear how Pippen quit on a play, how Kobe quit in a half, and how Wilt chokes, but this ****** quits on an entire GAME! :roll:

[QUOTE=Audio One]What makes Jordan better than Stilt? Chamberlain's the better scorer, passer, defender, rebounder. Wilt has 56 NBA single-season records to Jordan's 4. Wilt nearly QUADRUPLED the number of 50 point games Jordan had in his career. Wilt led the league in assists, fg%, minutes and rebounds 29 times to Jordan's Zero. He also led the league in assists one year, averaging 8.6 apg. Jordan never led the league in apg (and mind you, this is when assists were easier to accumulate for Jordan). He owns 6 of the 9 70+ point games in history - Jordan has zero. He topped Jordan's best scoring season three times and Wilt's best scoring season is 13 ppg higher than Jordan's.

Player top 6 prime years averages:
Michael Jordan(1986-1987 season to 1991-1992 season)
33.3ppg, 6.3rpg, 6.1apg, 52.2%FG, 29.6%3PT, 84.7%FT

Wilt Chamberlain(1959-1960 season to 1964-1965 season)
40.6ppg, 24.9rpg, 3.1apg, 50.7%FG, 55.3%FT

And at his peak, he averaged about 24/24/9, and took out the stacked Boston team, with a strong GOAT candidate leading it, Jordan has nothing on that.[/QUOTE]
wow u just went in hard on them:bowdown: :bowdown: :applause:

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]It's very simple for the un-educated:

The 1994 Bulls sans MJ were 3x deep worth of championship experience. Were doubted from the start without Jordan, so the entire roster played with a chip on their shoulder to prove their value without Mike. Little brother syndrome. They added Kukoc off the bench to give added firepower. Pippen made the leap to his peak value.

That's why they won 55 games, and then got booted in the 2nd round. [B]Why does everyone act like that is such a miraculous feat? [/B]The difference between the Bulls w/o Jordan is 2nd round knock out, and with him they were breaking records winning consecutive three peats, the most dominating dynasty of the modern post Bill Russell era?

Umm, ok. You got us, Jordan didn't mean very much to the Bulls success. It was all the role players, and Scottie Pippen !!![/QUOTE]
Because far too many posters act as if the Bulls were Jordan and a bunch of mediocre players. If posters would stop trying so hard to belittle his teammates, then this wouldn't come up.

Think about it. How many teams have been that successful without their best player? And no legitimate replacement for him.

It's very simple for the un-educated:

The 1994 Bulls sans MJ were 3x years deep worth of winning championship experience. Were doubted from the start without Jordan, so the entire roster played with a chip on their shoulder to prove their value without Mike. Little brother syndrome. They added Kukoc off the bench to give added firepower. Pippen made the leap to his peak value.

That's why they won 55 games, and then got booted in the 2nd round. Why does everyone act like that is such a miraculous feat? The difference between the Bulls w/o Jordan is 2nd round knock out, and with him they were breaking records winning consecutive three peats, the most dominating dynasty of the modern post Bill Russell era?

Umm, ok. You got us, Jordan didn't mean very much to the Bulls success. It was all the role players, and Scottie Pippen !!!