I cannot take this current era of players seriously because of no hand checking

[QUOTE=Quickening]League Average eFG%

'80s: .491
'90s: .488
'00s: .484
[/QUOTE]

You do realize that from the 80s to the 00s, that's a grand total difference of 0.7%? That's what is known as 'negligible'. This despite the fact that 3s were not featured in offenses much during the 80s and much of the 90s. In fact:

[B][U]League Average (3s attempted/gm)[/U][/B]
1988: 5
1998: 12.7
2008: 18.1

So players are taking FAR more low % 3s now, but only shooting 0.4-0.7% less overall... and that means defense has gotten [I]better[/I]? :biggums:



[QUOTE]League Average PPG

'80s: 109.3
'90s: 101.0
'00s: 96.9[/QUOTE]

Pace bro.

[QUOTE]% of Points from the Freethrow line

'80s: 20.3
'90s: 19.8
'00s: 19.5

/thread[/QUOTE]

So again, a grand total difference of about 0.8

Any idea what the %s are for perimeter players as opposed to big men (even though a 'big man' like Kevin Love is as likely to shoot 3s as a PG :lol )

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]You do realize that from the 80s to the 00s, that's a grand total difference of 0.7%? That's what is known as 'negligible'. This despite the fact that 3s were not featured in offenses much during the 80s and much of the 90s. In fact:

[B][U]League Average (3s attempted/gm)[/U][/B]
1988: 5
1998: 12.7
2008: 18.1

So players are taking FAR more low % 3s now, but only shooting 0.4-0.7% less overall... and that means defense has gotten [I]better[/I]? :biggums:





Pace bro.



So again, a grand total difference of about 0.8

Any idea what the %s are for perimeter players as opposed to big men (even though a 'big man' like Kevin Love is as likely to shoot 3s as a PG :lol )[/QUOTE]

Terrible rebuttal, not worth my time, /thread :pimp:

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]You do realize that from the 80s to the 00s, that's a grand total difference of 0.7%? That's what is known as 'negligible'. This despite the fact that 3s were not featured in offenses much during the 80s and much of the 90s. In fact:

[B][U]League Average (3s attempted/gm)[/U][/B]
1988: 5
1998: 12.7
2008: 18.1

So players are taking FAR more low % 3s now, but only shooting 0.4-0.7% less overall... and that means defense has gotten [I]better[/I]? :biggums:





Pace bro.



So again, a grand total difference of about 0.8

Any idea what the %s are for perimeter players as opposed to big men (even though a 'big man' like Kevin Love is as likely to shoot 3s as a PG :lol )[/QUOTE]
Slower pace + roughly same efficiency = takes longer to get a good shot.

Why would it take longer for an offense to get off a good shot? WORSE defense apparently.:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]You do realize that from the 80s to the 00s, that's a grand total difference of 0.7%? That's what is known as 'negligible'. This despite the fact that 3s were not featured in offenses much during the 80s and much of the 90s. In fact:

[B][U]League Average (3s attempted/gm)[/U][/B]
1988: 5
1998: 12.7
2008: 18.1

So players are taking FAR more low % 3s now, but only shooting 0.4-0.7% less overall... and that means defense has gotten [I]better[/I]? :biggums: [/QUOTE]

He posted efg% which takes 3 pointers into account.



[QUOTE]Pace bro.[/QUOTE]
Drtg is lower (better) now than in the 90s as well

[QUOTE=Quickening]Have you see the size of Lebron compared to Jordan...[/QUOTE]

About the same difference between Lebron and Kobe. See what happened when Kobe handchecked LeBron in a full court press:

[url]http://youtu.be/6XxsN8jITds?t=39s[/url]

LeBron has never shown the ability to perform when the game gets even a little physical. Bruce Bowen put it on him in '07. Hell, can't seem to do much when you lay off him and dare him to shoot mid range jumpers. :lol

A guy with no/poor mid range game isn't too hard to game plan for and frustrate as Pop has shown on multiple occasions. Having the ability to slow him down physically (as shown by a broken down Bean) also helps tremendously.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]About the same difference between Lebron and Kobe. See what happened when Kobe handchecked LeBron in a full court press:

[url]http://youtu.be/6XxsN8jITds?t=39s[/url]

LeBron has never shown the ability to perform when the game gets even a little physical. Bruce Bowen put it on him in '07. Hell, can't seem to do much when you lay off him and dare him to shoot mid range jumpers. :lol

A guy with no/poor mid range game isn't too hard to game plan for and frustrate as Pop has shown on multiple occasions. Having the ability to slow him down physically (as shown by a broken down Bean) also helps tremendously.[/QUOTE]

Handchecked? Don't you mean Kobe locked his arm :lol

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]About the same difference between Lebron and Kobe. See what happened when Kobe handchecked LeBron in a full court press:

[url]http://youtu.be/6XxsN8jITds?t=39s[/url]

LeBron has never shown the ability to perform when the game gets even a little physical. Bruce Bowen put it on him in '07. Hell, can't seem to do much when you lay off him and dare him to shoot mid range jumpers. :lol

A guy with no/poor mid range game isn't too hard to game plan for and frustrate as Pop has shown on multiple occasions. Having the ability to slow him down physically (as shown by a broken down Bean) also helps tremendously.[/QUOTE]

You were allowed to grab hold of a players shooting arm in th 80s? :lol :roll: You guys are reaching :pimp:

[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]He posted efg% which takes 3 pointers into account. [/QUOTE]

And the difference between 3 decades was a whopping 0.7% :eek:

[QUOTE]Drtg is lower (better) now than in the 90s as well[/QUOTE]

And the 60s featured defensive ratings in the 80s. All of the defenses labeled 'GOAT' from this era would be average-slightly above average in the 80s if we're using DRTG.

Are you ready to admit that the 60s-70s was BY FAR the greatest defensive era ever? DRTG says yes.

GOAT defense- 1963-64 Boston Celtics[B] 83.8 DRTG[/B] :bowdown:

[QUOTE]Handchecked? Don't you mean Kobe locked his arm[/QUOTE]

No, I mean Bean had his forearm on Bron's hip which slowed him down immensely and allowed Bean to control his movements. Bron having mediocre handling skills couldn't overcome this and could do nothing but feebly throw up an off balance shot which the broken down Bean spiked into the stands.

[QUOTE=Quickening][B]You were allowed to grab hold of a players shooting arm in th 80s?[/B] :lol :roll: You guys are reaching :pimp:[/QUOTE]
Only with knives.

[QUOTE]And the difference between 3 decades was a whopping 0.7% :eek:
[/QUOTE]

The point isn't that defenses are way better now the point is that they aren't way worse.

[QUOTE]And the 60s featured defensive ratings in the 80s. All of the defenses labeled 'GOAT' from this era would be average-slightly above average in the 80s if we're using DRTG.

Are you ready to admit that the 60s-70s was BY FAR the greatest defensive era ever? DRTG says yes.

GOAT defense- 1963-64 Boston Celtics[B] 83.8 DRTG[/B] :bowdown:[/QUOTE]

You seriously have to be a moron to compare pre-3 point line basketball to 3-point line basketball. Of course it's MUCH harder to score without the 3 point line stretching out defences.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]And the difference between 3 decades was a whopping 0.7% :eek:



And the 60s featured defensive ratings in the 80s. All of the defenses labeled 'GOAT' from this era would be average-slightly above average in the 80s if we're using DRTG.

[B]Are you ready to admit that the 60s-70s was BY FAR the greatest defensive era ever? DRTG says yes.[/B]

GOAT defense- 1963-64 Boston Celtics[B] 83.8 DRTG[/B] :bowdown:



No, I mean Bean had his forearm on Bron's hip which slowed him down immensely and allowed Bean to control his movements. Bron having mediocre handling skills couldn't overcome this and go do nothing but feebly throw up an off balance shot which the broken down Bean spiked into the stands.[/QUOTE]
Is this your first time?

[QUOTE=Quickening]Terrible rebuttal, not worth my time, /thread :pimp:[/QUOTE]

Sit your dumb ass down. You have no 'rebuttal'. Have a nice day doe :cheers:

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]No, I mean Bean had his forearm on Bron's hip which slowed him down immensely and allowed Bean to control his movements. Bron having mediocre handling skills couldn't overcome this and go do nothing but feebly throw up an off balance shot which the broken down Bean spiked into the stands.[/QUOTE]

Look at 0:54 onwards of that video. Kobe's clearly holding down his arm.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Are you ready to admit that the 60s-70s was BY FAR the greatest defensive era ever? DRTG says yes.

GOAT defense- 1963-64 Boston Celtics[B] 83.8 DRTG[/B] :bowdown:[/QUOTE]
I'm still blown away that you just said this. Like, I've seen stupid comments on here, but wow.