Kyrie Irving Signs 5 year extension (Max)

:wtf: [QUOTE=SexSymbol]Kyrie did not earn his max contract. If he did, then we have incredibly low standards for max players, Deng is a better player and he's not getting a max, Parsons is a better player and he's not getting a max, same as Lowry.
Of course it's a weak comparison, Isiah Thomas is better, has a better character, better passer, better defender, much more heart in him.
Shit, I'd take Avery Bradley, Lance Stephenson over him in a heart beat.
Kyrie is incredibly overrated, he's a no defense, injury prone gunner who has little to no passing ability as a point guard[/QUOTE]

I take it Kyrie isn't your favorite player?

[QUOTE=SexSymbol]Kyrie did not earn his max contract. If he did, then we have incredibly low standards for max players, [B]Deng is a better player [/B]and he's not getting a max, [B]Parsons is a better player [/B]and he's not getting a max, [B]same as Lowry[/B].
Of course it's a weak comparison, [B]Isiah Thomas is better[/B], has a better character, better passer, better defender, much more heart in him.
Shit, I'd take [B]Avery Bradley[/B], [B]Lance Stephenson [/B]over him in a heart beat.
Kyrie is incredibly overrated, he's a no defense, injury prone gunner who has little to no passing ability as a point guard[/QUOTE]
LOL @ all of the bolded.

That guy is a ****ing troll.

No brainer. He was getting the max no matter what. 1st overall pick, put up numbers, Only turning 23 before the playoffs start next year. Just how the NBA works, Cleveland would be dumb to hurt the relationship by playing stupid and trying to lowball him.

That being said since were comparing him to PG's around the league deals like this make me happy with Lawson at 11ish mill next season. Don't think Irving was that much better this year, if at all. Obviously younger tho.

I'd take him without thinking over I.Thomas. IT is a blackhole. Not even a good one like Arenas, or Stevie Franchise/Marbury. He's destined to put up numbers on shitty teams or come off the bench for a good one IMO. Talented but you just don't go anywhere with overdribbling, shoot first 5'9 PG's. Maybe that's unfair but Thomas has never passed the eyetest for me.

stars sell tickets

Of course he's getting the max. It was never a question.

He gets way too much hate in here, and it's for two reasons.

1) The Cavs have a disproportionate amount of quality high profile posters on ISH, that attracts the trolls.

2) He's never won anything. Literally nothing. He's never accomplished a damned thing in his career besides some gaudy ppg numbers, and that gets on people's nerves when a guy like that is labeled a 'superstar' when he's never done anything real.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]LOL @ all of the bolded.[/QUOTE]

Lowry was a better player than Irving last year.

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Lowry was a better player than Irving last year.[/QUOTE]
Debatable, but I would probably agree. His team was very good and that goes a long way. Statistically, an argument could be made either way.

Irving - 20.8 / 6.1 / 3.6 on 43 / 36 / 86
Lowry - 17.9 / 7.4 / 4.7 on 42 / 38 / 81

But, again... perspective. This discussion is about whether or not Irving deserves the max. So look a little deeper than just "who had a better season."

Lowry has never even approached a season like 2013-14 and he'll be 29 next year. Irving will be 22.

When Lowry was Irving's age, he was in his second year and a backup. And, even with that, Lowry is considered the top point guard on the market and may be turning down $12 million a year to stay in Toronto.

[QUOTE=hawksdogsbraves]He's never won anything. Literally nothing. He's never accomplished a damned thing in his career besides some gaudy ppg numbers, and that gets on people's nerves when a guy like that is labeled a 'superstar' when he's never done anything real.[/QUOTE]
Fair, but also important to note he's not exactly out of the ordinary in not accomplishing much in three seasons and at 21. The same could have been said for John Wall, Steph Curry and plenty of others at this stage in their respective careers.

When you dig beyond the surface, you find how incredibly rare it is for a point guard to be as good as Irving is right now at his age. For perspective, he's eight months younger than Shabazz Napier. He's younger than Damon Lillard and Michael Carter-Williams. Hell, he may have been the youngest starting PG in the entire NBA last year.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Fair, but also important to note he's not exactly out of the ordinary in not accomplishing much in three seasons and at 21. The same could have been said for John Wall, Steph Curry and plenty of others at this stage in their respective careers.

When you dig beyond the surface, you find how incredibly rare it is for a point guard to be as good as Irving is right now at his age. For perspective, he's eight months younger than Shabazz Napier.[/QUOTE]

I consider making the playoffs an accomplishment for young players, which those two have done and Kyrie hasn't. I do think that's moreso because of his team, but at the same time he does play in the East.

However, I do agree with you about the age. That piece about Shabazz is really interesting. Although I feel that the hype that he currently has is unwarranted (absolutely shouldn't have been an all-star starter), this 5-year deal is very smart because in a few years I feel that he could be very very good.

[QUOTE=DoodleDa][B]I consider making the playoffs an accomplishment for young players, which those two have done and Kyrie hasn't.[/B] I do think that's moreso because of his team, but at the same time he does play in the East.

However, I do agree with you about the age. That piece about Shabazz is really interesting. Although I feel that the hype that he currently has is unwarranted (absolutely shouldn't have been an all-star starter), this 5-year deal is very smart because in a few years I feel that he could be very very good.[/QUOTE]
I said "at that stage in their respective careers."

When Steph Curry was 21, he was a rookie and the Warriors were 26-56. In his third season (when he was 23), they were still just 23-43. Neither team was close to the playoffs, obviously.

When John Wall was 21, he was in his second season and the Wizards were 20-46. In his third season (at 22), the Wizards were 29-53.

So, my point stands. Like I said, it may be hard to believe, but I think Irving was the youngest starting PG in the entire league last year. Definitely the youngest in the East that I can think of... Trey Burke was the only younger one in the league, I believe, and they're close in age (within 7-8 months).

That's pretty obviously the difference between Kyrie and all of these other guys he is being compared to. A lot of them weren't even in the league at 21. Kyrie was busy finishing his third season, over which time he's averaged 21 points and 6 assists on 45% shooting. That is rare. Very rare.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]LOL @ all of the bolded.[/QUOTE]
You're overrating Kyrie incredibly. He hasn't done anything and is very injury prone.
Avery Bradley is a monster on the defensive end, but seeing as you're a stat whore, i'm not gonna take this discussion to you.
Parsons is better all-around and more valuable to a team, better durability too.
Deng is a no-brainer, only a homer would say Kyrie is a better player.

[QUOTE=SexSymbol]You're overrating Kyrie incredibly. He hasn't done anything and is very injury prone.
Avery Bradley is a monster on the defensive end, but seeing as you're a stat whore, i'm not gonna take this discussion to you.
Parsons is better all-around and more valuable to a team, better durability too.
Deng is a no-brainer, only a homer would say Kyrie is a better player.[/QUOTE]

I don't really think you watched much of Deng last year.

As expected.. Good for the cavs, kyries a beast, hopefully the new coach uses him properly. Unlike fu*ktard brown:facepalm Wonder if they'll move dion now?:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=DukeDelonte13]I don't really think you watched much of Deng last year.[/QUOTE]
I did, one year doesn't take away from him being a great player. He was injured after all.
if deng continues his sucky ass performances this year then yeah, maybe Kyrie is a better player, but for now there's no chance.
Kyrie hasn't proven he can be a good leader, or play winning basketball.