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[QUOTE]You already posted this. Try again.
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It's gold, that's why I re-posted it... no one has been able to respond to it.
and no one has been able to answer why the stat that measures how hard it is to score (League-wide ORtg) is the same as it was 30 years ago.
that stat by itself ethers this whole thread.
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[B]PLAYOFF AVERAGES THRU 30 YRS OLD:
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[I]JORDAN[/I]: 35 PPG / [B][I]7 APG[/I][/B] / 50% FG
[I]LEBRON[/I]: 28 PPG / 6 APG / 48% FG
[B]FINALS AVERAGES THRU 30 YRS OLD:
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[I]JORDAN[/I]: 36 PPG / [B][I]8 APG[/I][/B] / 50% FG
[I]LEBRON[/I]: 24 PPG / 6 APG / 46% FG
[I]Source: basketball-reference.com[/I]
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[QUOTE=3ball]in all the world and history of basketball, you won't find anyone else doing this hop-step, except Jordan, and well, Gerald Green...
[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/9f3a78a58ce8356bcd47eeb636169b2e.gif[/IMG]
[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/43200f7b24bf02eef1f49262adc03d82.gif[/IMG][/quote]
Like I said, you haven't watched much basketball. Here's Kobe doing what you are praising:
[IMG]http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-29-2014/KAXnMo.gif[/IMG]
[quote]Seriously, Gerald Green is the only one to do this move..[/QUOTE]
Seriously, watch more tape before making absurd claims.
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Like I said, you haven't watched much basketball. Here's Kobe doing what you are praising:
[IMG]http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-29-2014/KAXnMo.gif[/IMG]
Seriously, watch more tape before making absurd claims.[/QUOTE]
Huh? He's talking about the whole Play... Kobe's was way different... Wow, can't believe I gotta take 3ball's side here... Still, it's probably been done alot.. But not here.
[QUOTE]But in Jordan's era, contested mid-range shots were the biggest component of his shot allocation - So despite having a shot allocation that today would be considered horrific, Jordan shot very well.
In today's game, he would have a more optimal shot allocation like everyone else (threes, FT's and at-rim looks), so his shooting percentage would be much higher today. [/QUOTE]
He actually improved his 3 point shooting to .376 (3.0 FGA) in 1989-90, [B]during training camp[/B].
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-3wzlZw6K8&t=8m50s[/url]
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]Huh? He's talking about the whole Play... Kobe's was way different... Wow, can't believe I gotta take 3ball's side here... Still, it's probably been done alot.. But not here.[/QUOTE]
Wait, are you suggesting Kobe's play wasn't a hop step, dunk? Really?
Here's the full highlight in real time:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EDilYikI1k[/url]
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Wait, are you suggesting Kobe's play wasn't a hop step, dunk? Really?
Here's the full highlight in real time:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EDilYikI1k[/url][/QUOTE]
I can't view the link at work but I'm sure I've seen Kobe do the hop-step dunk many times...Now MJ is much quicker with it but still there's not many players that do it...
[QUOTE=Dro]I can't view the link at work but I'm sure I've seen Kobe do the hop-step dunk many times...Now MJ is much quicker with it but still there's not many players that do it...[/QUOTE]
All hop steps are not the same... everyone does that move that kobe did in that GIF - that's a very standard way to take off two-feet (albiet, still better than anything you'll see Lebron do off two feet, realtalk).
With Jordan and Green's, it's almost a travel, as they take a full step BEFORE the jump-stop... so look out for that full step they take before the jump-stop... it's a very sneaky.
Jordan and Green's hop-step is one-of-a-kind (well, i guess two-of-a-kind) - you should see the difference if you look closely enough.
Here's Jordan doing it some more - the first three below are the most clear:
[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7854892c34d2d722409acbe23f21287b.gif[/IMG]
[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/43200f7b24bf02eef1f49262adc03d82.gif[/IMG]
[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_with_HopStep_Poster_on_80238d01ed987cdc607f1ff84f8f070f.gif[/IMG]
Compare to Gerald Green:
[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/9f3a78a58ce8356bcd47eeb636169b2e.gif[/IMG]
Here's two more from Jordan - he does the move, but these vids are less clear:
[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/0fbb838417ffd0dc9318ae2d49939be2.gif[/IMG]
[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_Splits_Perimeter_Double_6e7b1e60fae2c32de17fc6999697853d.gif[/IMG]
GOAT, one-of-a-kind footwork by Gerald Green... :applause:
[QUOTE=3ball]
[B]but defenses back then didn't need to come from another area of the floor - they were already waiting in the paint.[/B]
for example, do you realize how ridiculous it would be for a team [B]in the 80's[/B] to use a "strong side flood" when [B]there is no defensive 3 seconds[/B]?[/Quote]
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/Haskel45/9599699.gif[/img]
[url]http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html[/url]
[B]1966-67[/B]
I don't understand why this thread is so long. Lebron avg'd 27 ppg last year shooting 57%. He could have scored 30 on at least 53%. He's not nearly as skilled, diverse or fundamentally sound a scorer as MJ was. Nor was he as competitive.
What defense can stop a guy with no offensive weaknesses? So Lebron can destroy the league to the tune of 27 on 57 but MJ can't? Makes no sense. MJ had one of the best midrange jumpshots in the game. Much more reliable than Lebron's, especially under durress. Force him to take that midrange shot for his whole career and he might have dominated for 15-16 years instead of 13. He was already an iron man even under the physicality of the late 80's/90's.
I'm using Lebron because he is clearly the best in the game today.
So what these bran stans are saying is, bran with his limited offensive moves can score at a very high efficiency in this era's defenses but somehow Jordan would struggle scoring efficiently. :rolleyes:
Bran stans have limited brain capacity, nothing new here let's move on. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Asukal]So what these bran stans are saying is, bran with his limited offensive moves can score at a very high efficiency in this era's defenses but somehow Jordan would struggle scoring efficiently. :rolleyes:
Bran stans have limited brain capacity, nothing new here let's move on. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Bran isnt limited offensively. Average mid range, average free throws, good threes, goat tier driving, good post, goat tier finishing. Limited in what? Inefficient two pointers?
Im not sure anyone here has seriously suggested Jordan would struggle scoring efficiently.
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Thibs is right but it doesn't mean MJ would be less effective now. Oh, and bigs still found a way to shadow Jordan in his more versatile / drive-centric game style from '87 - '93.
MJ from '96 - '98 scored almost exclusively on jumpers. His point about drives becoming jumpers. Which means MJ put up 30.4 ppg, 29.7 ppg, and 28.7 ppg from ages 33 - 35 on post up, elbow, and mid range jumpers. So an extra wall of defenders means nadda.
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Pretty much. But Jordan by 92 was more of a jump shooter anyway. In 97, I think he averaged 49% at the mid range? That's pretty insane. He might've been better in his prime. He was definitely a better finisher in his prime. Even when he came back with the Wiz, his jumpshot was about 42% or something. This is his shot chart in 97:
[url]http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/article/media_slots/photos/001/021/796/Shotchart_1377133449171_crop_exact.png?w=650&h=433&q=85[/url]
But Thibs is right like people said. There are better options in terms of help defense now because of zone. Anyway, MJ had the skills, IQ, and the athleticism to score 30 ppg on 50% in any era.
[QUOTE=FKAri]prime Jordan transplanted to today's time would do worse but that is only because he molded his game for a different time. If he were brought up to play in this time he would've simply worked on different aspects of his game (3pt shooting etc) and eventually imo dominated just as much as he ever did.[/QUOTE]
How would prime Jordan did worse when 09 Wade was dominating the league with a garbage 3 point shot.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]somewhere an alarm is going off in dondadda's basement[/QUOTE]
:lol