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[QUOTE=3ball]wait a minute... you want me to go find GIF's of travel and carry calls from the 60's?... do you have any idea how littel footage we have from then?[/QUOTE]
So in other words, you're talking out your azz and making absolute statements on the biased testimony of a man who is prone to making goofy hyperbolic statements like "wilt would avg 70 in today's game" (Walt Frazier)?
ok, fair enough.
[QUOTE=3ball]i'll tell you what.... anyone that wants me to prove i played D1 can PM me - i will provide enough details and photos for them to do a little legwork and figure out who i am...
if anyone PM's me, they have to promise not to out me in the forums.[/QUOTE]
afraid you'll be outed for being morbidly obese?
[QUOTE=Akhenaten]Exactly, they just codified and gave definition to it in 2009 but players have been doing it way before then.
Problem is you say players weren't allowed to do this in the 60's, only problem is we have to trust people's word for it, I need to see footage of players executing this move and getting called for it.
Even if we accept that it this move was expressly forbidden SURELY there were folks who broke the rule either trying to skirt the rules or by just mistakenly screwing up their footwork. Surely such footage exists.
Just like you say all the time about how defensive 3 is STRICTLY enforced, yet I would have no trouble amassing a dozen gifs of guys camped out in the paint for 4+ secs (Andrew Bynum was notorious for this)
Otherwise, I will just assume it was a lack of innovation why the move wasn't being done, similar to how no one back then was using the pendulum style dribbling that is routine today or doing a bunch of alley-oops.
[B]I await the gifs/vids.[/B]
Any footage of INTENTIONAL lob dunks (alley oops) from the 60's BTW?[/QUOTE]
you are being pretty shallow here... why would they execute the move if they are going to get called for it?... i would not expect there to be many instances of guys trying the move, because that type of play would be so blatantly illegal back then.
and just look at defensive 3 seconds - in today's game, it could take hours to go through footage and find a defensive 3 seconds call despite all the footage available today... why?... because defensive 3 seconds is an actual rule - [I]so guys abide by it[/I] and full games go by where it is not called.
now compare to footage from the 60's - we have a total of 2% of game footage from the 60's... but you want me to go through the footage and find travel and carrying calls while you tap your foot?... i have an idea for you - go **** yourself.
but most importantly, the fact that today's moves would be travels and carries in the 60's is COMMON KNOWLEDGE - i'll tell you the same thing i told poster iamgine - it's always annoying when someone wants you to "prove" something that is common knowledge, just because [I]they[/I] happened to be one of the minority that isn't aware.
it is very common knowledge that in the 60's, you couldn't carry or take extra steps while gathering the ball, and people's concept of what constituted a travel was much more stringent back then.
Many players, coaches, league officials - you know, the experts - they all state that most of the moves today would be carries or travels in the 60's.
[B]Here's Elgin Baylor talking about this exact topic..[/B]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjNS_oYE92E&feature=youtu.be&t=16m3s[/url]
[B]Here's an article where Clyde Frazier weighs in (his quote is excerpted below)[/B].. [url]http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/6035/nba-traveling-we-really-don-t-reference-the-rulebook[/url]..
"[i]It's very blatant now,[/i]" says Walt "Clyde" Frazier. One of the greatest point guards in NBA history, Frazier is also, as a Knick team broadcaster, a close observer of today's game. "[i]They go twenty feet to the hoop without dribbling one time. This is what they are getting away with nowadays. Some of them are so obvious. You'll hear me on the broadcast saying 'That's a travel! Watch the feet!' Wilt [Chamberlain] would have averaged 100 points a game if they had let him do that."[/I]
[QUOTE=3ball]i warmed the bench for raja bell and carlos arroyo... that's all i'll say publicly.[/QUOTE]
lol so you are obese? They sat next to each other didn't they :oldlol:
[QUOTE=3ball]i'll tell you what.... anyone that wants me to prove i played D1 can PM me - i will provide enough details and photos for them to do a little legwork and [B]figure out who i am...
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bitch you aint nobody :roll:
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How can we expect players from the 60's to be as explosive as today's players, when they weren't allowed to do the same moves?
3ball is the real deal.
Dude knows the game.
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80 PPG shooting 60% today
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3ball the GOAT troll, euroleague levels.
Coining terms such as Navigation Efficiency and Offball Passing
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Wilt 80 PPG shooting 60% today
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Agreed, today's lax dribbling rules would essentially grant Wilt's GOAT combination of athleticism and skill the [i]permission and freedom[/i] to utilize a maximum level of navigation efficiency (most steps, least dribbles), just like the lax rules did for Jordan:
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OP belongs in a nut house
This was a travel in 1977:
[url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kSEKSF9tKoM&t=04m05s[/url]
I know.. not a travel or even close
[QUOTE=3ba11;14580133]This was a travel in 1977:
[url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kSEKSF9tKoM&t=04m05s[/url]
I know.. not a travel or even close[/QUOTE]
The mj rookie dunk wasn't a travel
[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14580154]The mj rookie dunk wasn't a travel[/QUOTE]
Only in 77'.... Not by 85'..
[QUOTE=3ba11;14580193]Only in 77'.... Not by 85'..[/QUOTE]
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