How many free passes to the finals are Lebron's teams going to get?

This shit is stupid. In what universe does it make sense to transplant another player into another conference and then bring his teammates?

So if Lebron is drafted by a Western Conference team, he doesnt get a Western Conference organization? His first few years in the draft, his team doesnt get a higher draft picks and better players?

The entire Miami team just goes straight to the West and literally the entire team stays the same, nothing different happens? Do you realize how many variable you are throwing in play?

Quit being a retard. What if nonsense. I can play that game too. Kobe would have zero rings if he stayed in Charlotte. Garbage franchise. Oh wow, that was easy.

Cut out the what if nonsense because your butthurt that Derek Rose's chucking ass is gone. Dude wasnt going to do shit in the playoffs anyways.

[QUOTE=aj1987]Lol @ Kobe beating the '07 Spurs with either the '09/'10 Lakers or the '07 Cav's. Just laughable. Dude would've folded worse than LeBron and we're talking about peak Kobe. [/QUOTE]


Why would kobe have the 09 or 10 Lakers supporting cast in 2007 Finals against the spurs? He would have.. what he had in 2007. Which was a scottie pippen light in lamar odom and a bunch of scrubs. But weve seen Kobe absolutely torch the spurs.. even the very next year.. so of course its not out of the realm of possibility he couldve done it at his absolute peak in 2007.

Comparing lebron against the spurs to Kobe? The guy who chokes vs pop and gets dismantled against a team that is elite at protecting the rim and likes to concede the midrange shot? Styles make fights.. and one happens to have a very favorable matchup while the other doesnt at all.


[QUOTE=aj1987]
Are you ****ing stupid? Miami went through the 56 win Celtics and the 62 win Bulls (#1, #2, and #7 ranked defensive teams). Yeah, Rose would destroy Kobe and his overrated defense. The Lakers would probably lose in 5 or 6, considering the FACT that Wade was pretty average-bad that series.
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Lakers played an ancient boston team that they beat the very previous year and a one man army bulls team that struggled in the first few rounds mightily. The competition was a joke. Do you know what you sound like?

BUT THE 56 WINZ CELTICS!

Like what?

LA beat them the previous year when they were all still prime.. the next year they were basically geriatrics.


[QUOTE=aj1987]
Shaq... If he can carry '00 Kobe to a Ring, he'd sure as **** be able to take '05-'11 Wade to several. Are you seriously this stupid? Wade was injured, but he never missed the PO's. He missed 2 Playoff games dude to injuries in his ENTIRE career. He was injured in '07 and '08, but I don't remember his health dropping in '09, '10, and '11. In fact, he has his best seasons after his injuries. You must be living in some alternate universe.[/QUOTE]

Wade was hurt in 2007 and 2008 you moron.. Shaq still needed kobe to be a 20+ppg scorer and close games. Wade could not do that from a wheelchair. So your 6 rings scenario flies right out the window.


[QUOTE=aj1987]
Didn't people also say that LeBron would struggle to play with Wade? How did that work out for the league. All I remember is tears from idiots like you who were crying how it was unfair and shit. LeBron actually feeding the ball to Shaq instead if jacking up garbage ass fadeaway would be more beneficial to the team.
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Wade doesnt clog the paint like shaq.. he played on the perimeter. Shaq was the most doubled player of all time parked 5-8 feet from the basket. Put your gdamn helmet on.

[QUOTE=Lebron23]I have a bigger dick than you. I'll pm it to you later.[/QUOTE]
Yo Lebron23 I got your PM by accident. Can I just say that getting a semi and pretending that its on the flop doesn't count. Fully soft or fully hard or don't bother.

[QUOTE=tpols].

The poster who replied to me said something about wade/supporting cast being shit.. to which I replied that the Heat faced really poor competition in the time period that wade was underperforming.. so it evens out. Case in point.. you had to go back 3 decades to find similarly bad competition. That's pretty bad.

Magic also led his teams to victory against the tougher east majority of the time.. Bron has a losing record against t he west in the playoffs and is one shot away from being an embarrassing 1-4. To act like he wouldn't have won less playing in the west his whole career is truly absurd.[/QUOTE]
You're the one who stressed "50 win teams" as if that's the tell all win # when it comes to the quality of playoff opponents.

Wade underperforming doesn't even it out when the combined W-L record of the Heat 2013 playoff opponents (Bucks, Bulls, Pacers) was 132-113. That's not even close to being similar to the pathetic 118-128 W-L record which the 87 Lakers faced.

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013_standings.html[/url]

If James' title teams got a first round bye and or a 5 game first round series and Magic faced the James titles format, you guys would be crying about how James had it easy with the bye and 5 game 1st round series. How he got to rest up.

Magic is 5-4 in the Finals which yes, is a winning record but hardly dominant. Replace LeBron with Magic those first 7yrs in Cleveland and see how many titles or even Finals appearances he gets to when having to actually face teams who play defense while having mediocre bigs as teammates.

2013 Finals Game 7. Both Bosh (28min) and Mike Miller (19mins) started that game. 47mins played, combined for ZERO points. Game 6 savior Ray Allen (20mins) off the bench, ZERO points. How many must win Finals games did Magic win, when 2 starters and a key bench player go scoreless for 67mins and still get the victory? Think it's safe to say he's never been in that scenario.

[url]http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400467339[/url]

Bottom line is, when people talk about easiest path to the Finals, Magic and those 2 Lakers teams should be mentioned first every time. Not 2013 LeBron and Miami.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo]You're the one who stressed "50 win teams" as if that's the tell all win # when it comes to the quality of playoff opponents.

Wade underperforming doesn't even it out when the combined W-L record of the Heat 2013 playoff opponents (Bucks, Bulls, Pacers) was 132-113. That's not even close to being similar to the pathetic 118-128 W-L record which the 87 Lakers faced.

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013_standings.html[/url]

If James' title teams got a first round bye and or a 5 game first round series and Magic faced the James titles format, you guys would be crying about how James had it easy with the bye and 5 game 1st round series. How he got to rest up.[/QUOTE]

I've never denied magic had it easy on his way to the finals.. it's a fact just like lebron has. But magic has had a signifigantly better record against the tougher conference opponents in the playoffs than James has. LeBron even has a losing record against the West in the playoffs after joining prime Wade and bosh so team strength is no excuse.


[QUOTE=Hey Yo]Magic is 5-4 in the Finals which yes, is a winning record but hardly dominant. Replace LeBron with Magic those first 7yrs in Cleveland and see how many titles or even Finals appearances he gets to when having to actually face teams who play defense while having mediocre bigs as teammates.

2013 Finals Game 7. Both Bosh (28min) and Mike Miller (19mins) started that game. 47mins played, combined for ZERO points. Game 6 savior Ray Allen (20mins) off the bench, ZERO points. How many must win Finals games did Magic win, when 2 starters and a key bench player go scoreless for 67mins and still get the victory? Think it's safe to say he's never been in that scenario.

[url]http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400467339[/url]

Bottom line is, when people talk about easiest path to the Finals, Magic and those 2 Lakers teams should be mentioned first every time. Not 2013 LeBron and Miami.[/QUOTE]

huge myth that Cleveland bigs were mediocre.. they were a top rebounding and defensive frontcourt.. they took 08 boston to 7 games despite lebron shooting like 35% and playing awful. And especially in the late 2000s they were always top ranked in rebounding and defense. And it clearly wasn't lebron boosting that ranking since Miami was one of the worst rebounding teams in the league even after lebron joined them. it wasn't some great supporting cast but it was passable.. and the Cavs were favored in especially the 2010 series they lost..

And prime magic may not have done any better with Cleveland than lebron did but he sure as hell would've done better with wade and bosh.. they would've three peated with ease with showtime running the show.


To your last point about game 7 Shane batter stepped up and hit like 7/7 threes.. everytime the guy shot he broke the Spurs back. And it can be easily argued that magic wouldn't have reduced bosh role like lebron did that year as he's one of the greatest facilitators of all time and knows how to orchestrate a free flowing offense that doesn't consist of holding the ball for long periods of time and being indecisive.

He also knew his teammates strengths in and out and would work within their games.. Where as players often have to do the reverse with lebron and fit [I]his[/I] style.

Speak softly and carry a big stick.

Pau and Bynum COMBINED 2009 PLAYOFFS = 24ppg [B]14rpg[/B] 2.5 apg, [B]3bpg[/B], 1spg

Kobe Bryant 2009 playoffs = [B]30ppg[/B] 6rpg [B]5apg[/B] 1bpg[B] 2 spg[/B]


carried yo

[QUOTE=tpols]I've never denied magic had it easy on his way to the finals.. it's a fact just like lebron has. But magic has had a signifigantly better record [B]against the tougher conference opponents in the playoffs[/B] than James has. LeBron even has a losing record against the West in the playoffs after joining prime Wade and bosh so team strength is no excuse[/QUOTE]

2011 "conference" playoff opponents records.
1st round 41-41 76'ers
2nd round 56-26 Boston
ECF 62-20 Bulls.

159W - 87L

w/o looking it up, I'd guess it's safe to say Magic's 80's Lakers didn't face 3 teams with a better combined record or even one team that didn't have a losing record on their way to the finals.

Can't use 2012 numbers due to lockout, but Miami were the underdogs against OKC in that Finals.

Already did 2013

2014 playoff opponents
1st round 43-39 Charlotte
2nd round 44-38 Nets
ECF (on road) 56-26 Pacers

143W - 103L

Not sure how you can say LA faced tougher conference opponents.


[QUOTE=tpols]huge myth that Cleveland bigs were mediocre.. they were a top rebounding and defensive frontcourt.. they took 08 boston to 7 games despite lebron shooting like 35% and playing awful. And especially in the late 2000s they were always top ranked in rebounding and defense. And it clearly wasn't lebron boosting that ranking since Miami was one of the worst rebounding teams in the league even after lebron joined them. it wasn't some great supporting cast but it was passable.. and the Cavs were favored in especially the 2010 series they lost..[/QUOTE]

LeBron never got front court scoring like other greats before him. In 2008 against Boston, Big Z and Ben Wallace (who played PF) were both starters for Cleveland. The D might have been good, but still need some offensive output considering your other starters were Wally and Delonte. Wallace avg. just under 24mins a game and put up 3pts 6 boards and less than 1 block. You yourself even said he was over the hill the year before with Detroit.

[QUOTE=tpols]And prime magic may not have done any better with Cleveland than lebron did but he sure as hell would've done better with wade and bosh.. they would've three peated with ease with showtime running the show.[/QUOTE]

With ease in 2010?
Magic
Wade
Haslem, Jawan Howard?
Bosh
Joel Anthony


[QUOTE=tpols]To your last point about game 7 Shane batter stepped up and hit like 7/7 threes.. everytime the guy shot he broke the Spurs back. And it can be easily argued that magic wouldn't have reduced bosh role like lebron did that year as he's one of the greatest facilitators of all time and knows how to orchestrate a free flowing offense that doesn't consist of holding the ball for long periods of time and being indecisive.

He also knew his teammates strengths in and out and would work within their games.. Where as players often have to do the reverse with lebron and fit [I]his[/I] style.[/QUOTE]
Sure, Battier stepped up but in game 7 of that Finals but you don't go into it hoping a "defensive" role player picks up the slack of 2 struggling starters and your main "offensive" bench player threat who didn't register a point between the 3.

Plus Magic didn't really run an offense that involved the 3pt shot. Magic did hold the ball a lot when backing down in the low post. That's where his offense was, considering he had no outside shot. He would have been called for "back to the basket" rule a lot in today's game until he learned to adjust.

Good talks, brah :cheers:

this shit is stupid

there are no free passes to the NBA finals

if a team gets there, they earned it.

a real free pass is a bye.

[QUOTE=Jlamb47]Your so stupid it makes 0 sense...... [B]Lebron had a stacked squad in all his chips and hes still 2/5[/B]

Kobe would get to the Finals in the East with no doubt in my mind. He did it against better competition.

He also wouldnt go from averaging 30 PPG to 17 PPG on 36FG% and choke like Lebron did against Dallas. Kobe destroys dallas

your just a hater who dont give credit to players that are comparable to Lebron[/QUOTE]

First time I've ever heard the '07 Cavs referred to as "stacked". How are the stacked Heat doing this year?

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How stupid are you, dude? You're beyond delusional if you honestly believe that the '07 Lakers are beating the '07 Spurs. Get your head out of your ass.

You can call the Celtics old, but they won 56 games and were the 2nd best defensive team in the NBA.

Also, Wade got hurt in the RS, shit for brains. He was hurt, but he did play in the Playoffs in '07. Was good enough to put up 21/4/6 with a washed up Shaq and bad role-players. He would've played in the PO's again in '08 if they actually made it.

You can't address my points aj.. everything you say.. there is no reason for. No explanation or rationale. Just
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LOL dude what are you an idiot!? Team x would destroy team y! I don't have any reasons for what I say and have an autistic tendency to lash out at everybody but.. damn you're an idiot for not agreeing with my completely unsupported opinions![/I]

I never said the Lakers would beat the spurs.. I said they [I]could[/I]. Do you understand the difference? It would all depend on if kobe decided to go 2001 mode on them and open the series with a bang. You were still sucking on your mother's saggy tEets when that happened so I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Lebron23 really sent me a PM of his junk

Mods??:biggums:

As many as weak bodies are willing to give him

[QUOTE=tpols]You can't address my points aj.. everything you say.. there is no reason for. No explanation or rationale. Just
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LOL dude what are you an idiot!? Team x would destroy team y! I don't have any reasons for what I say and have an autistic tendency to lash out at everybody but.. damn you're an idiot for not agreeing with my completely unsupported opinions![/I]

I never said the Lakers would beat the spurs.. I said they [I]could[/I]. Do you understand the difference? It would all depend on if kobe decided to go 2001 mode on them and open the series with a bang. You were still sucking on your mother's saggy tEets when that happened so I wouldn't expect you to understand.[/QUOTE]
It's obvious that you actually don't watch basketball. You're a box-score ***. No version of Kobe with the '07 Lakers is beating the '07 Spurs. You have to a delusional retard to actually believe that.

Yeah, LeBron = can't win in the West.
Kobe = wins a ring every year in the East (the conference he historically struggles against).

Do you know how idiotic that is. As another poster pointed out, you think LeBron is going to have the same teams as he does in the East.

You literally ignored all my points about Wade playing in the Playoffs, even though he got hurt during the RS, the Celtics winning 56 and being the #2 defense, the Bulls being the best defensive team in the league, Kobe getting carried by 2 HOF bigs, etc.. You're the one who's actually deflecting and ignoring all my points, going around in circles.

tpols: Ancient Celtics.
Me: They won 56 and were the #2 defense.
tpols: but.. but.. ancient Celtics..
Me: They still won 56 and were the #2 defense.
tpols: but.. but.. ancient Celtics..

Also, you're the same dude who props up the garbage ass no defense 50 win teams that Kobe beat in the Playoffs. The Nuggets? Suns? Jazz? '10 Thunder? :roll:

BTW, I'm pretty sure that I'm older than you.