Official SG comparison thread: 2006 vs. 1997 vs. 1990

[QUOTE=Kvnzhangyay]

If it was never done, then why did you say "virtually never"?

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Because I can't remember a time when the coach put 4 guys behind the 3-point line so his star player can go 1-on-1.. I've never seen it and they've never provided a single example.


[QUOTE=Kvnzhangyay]

Is it because that way even if they gave an instance, because you knew they were right, you could just say "Thats an exception. They virtually never did it"?

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Again, I've never seen one, and they've never provided one.

If it was something that had ever happened on an ongoing basis, for even a few games in a single series, it should be easy to find dozens of instances - you guys shouldn't only have a few examples.. You should have many... LIKE I DO FROM TODAY'S GAME

By providing many examples, it wouldn't be an exception, would it?


[QUOTE=Kvnzhangyay]

And btw, this has happened since the origin of the 3 point line. It's literally such an obvious strategy to discover. They don't need to give instances because anyone that watched games back then, which you obviously did not, could see.

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Again, this is a lie - like, this is the twilight zone - coaches didn't put 4 guys behind the 3-point line to isolate a star player in the 80's or 90's.

Just look at the Bulls - you never saw Phil Jackson or Doug Collins put 4 guys behind the 3-point line so MJ could go 1-on-1... It never happened when MJ faced the Bad Boys, Riley's Knicks, 1996 Sonics, 1997 Heat, 1998 Jazz or Pacers, Shaq's Magic, 1992 Blazers, Magic's Lakers

Look at the tape.. In none of these situations, did Phil Jackson or Doug Collins position 4 guys behind the 3-point line so MJ could go 1-on-1.


[quote=Kvnzhangyay]

Do you need to give an instance to "prove" that star players have and always will get special treatment? Because by your logic any instance you give I can just refute that it was an exception, and it virtually never happened

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It's subjective to prove whether a ref is giving a star player star treatment... But it's easily-viewable fact whether a coach is putting 4 guys behind the 3-point line so his star player can go 1-on-1.

Again, you never saw Riley put Mase, X, and Oakley all behind the 3-point line at the same time... Ditto on Salley, Mahorn, Edwards, or Shaq, Horace Grant, and Anthony Bowie, or Rik Smits, Dale Davis, and Derrick McKey..

This is verifiable and not subjective, unlike your ref comparison..


[quote=Kvnzhangyay]

]It's literally such an obvious strategy to discover.

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No it isn't - the strategy of putting non-shooters on the perimeter is counter-intuitive - defenders know they when they aren't guarding shooters.. When guarding non-shooters, defenders don't to have decide whether to stay at home or help - they know they are going to help the whole time and will sag off the maximum amount and help immediately, so their recovery time is too quick.. This is why even in today's game, when a big man is behind the 3-point line, he invariably is a threat from that distance.. Even in today's game - where a premium is placed on spacing - coaches DON'T put non-shooters on the perimeter.


[b]Btw, here's the type of garbage Flpiii is spewing:
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[QUOTE]RIP the clear-out era.
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[QUOTE]guys would stand beyond the arc even if they weren't shooters, and the men guarding them had to follow them to an adjacent zone, unless they doubled on ball.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="blue"]^^^ btw, regarding this, the zones and adjacent zones are huge - they allow the defender to sag of 3-point shooters like man-to-man defense always has - THAT'S WHY ALL THE VIDEO FOOTAGE SHOWS DEFENDERS SAGGING OFF 3-POINT SHOOTERS (and therefore conflicting to your lie that they "had to follow").[/COLOR]



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[B]The stats show Lebron isn't capable of good efficiency at high shot volume[/B]


Even before the 2015 playoffs, the stats showed that Lebron isn't capable of good efficiency at high shooting volume - the NBA's player-tracking stats show that lebron is bad at the additional midrange and isolations required of high volume shooters.. Lebron's poor efficiency at high volumes means he can't win a CHAMPIONSHIP while shooting at high volume.



[B]Lebron's poor efficiency at high volumes mean he can't command double-team[/B]


Lebron's inability to shoot well at high volumes means he doesn't require a double-team, as seen in the 2015 Finals (and 2014 Finals too) - it's always the best defensive strategy to allow a low percentage shot over and over - this dynamic where Lebron UN-complicates the opponent's defensive strategy by not commanding a double-team, puts him outside of the top 15 all-time.



[B]Lebron's best capability at high shot volume is 39%[/B]


Of course, the lack of double-teaming in the 2015 Finals provided Lebron with optimal conditions to shoot the best percentage possible at the higher volume - this turned out to be 39%.. 39% is Lebron's ceiling at high shooting volume.. Again, this would never be good enough to win a championship - when MJ averaged 41/9/6/51% in 1993, it was BARELY enough for the Bulls to win - remarkably, both teams averaged exactly 106.7 ppg and 113.0 ORtg in those Finals.



[B]Without 3-pointers to make drive-and-kick worthwhile, Lebron would be forced to score via post and mid-range in the 80's like everyone else[/B]


Lebron's poor mid-range and isolation ability not only dooms his chances of commanding double-teams or winning a championship while shooting high volume, but it prevents him from being as good in the "no 3-pointer" 80's with no one spreading the floor for him - in the absence of 3-pointers necessary to make screen-roll/drive-and-kick worth it, the only options left are the things he's horrible at - mid-range, post, and isolation skills.



[B]The stats show that pace is ALWAYS slow in the playoffs, regardless of era, so the 80's wouldn't provide Lebron with any extra transition[/B]


Btw, there wouldn't be any extra transition in the 80's to help out Lebron's struggling half court game because pace always slows down in the playoffs, regardless of era.. Pace was 94 in both the 1988 and 1989 playoffs, which is the same as 2015 playoffs.. Pace was actually LOWER many years too, like in the mid-90's - i.e. pace was 87.4 in the 1996 playoffs.



[B]Lebron's style of play results in "empty stats"[/B]


Ultimately, Lebron's style of play (ball-dominant from SF position, with no mid-range or isolation game) doesn't just prevent him from commanding double teams or shooting well at high volume - it also hurts the brand of basketball his team is capable of.. His teams become locked into a style where Lebron dominates the ball and the offensive decision-making, which hurts chemistry.

Just look at the heat.. Wade and bosh's stats were much lower and chemistry was always an issue - Wade and lebron's ON-OFF stats were well-publicized and showed the heat were better when they were not on the floor together.. They still went 2/4 due to talent, but the times they lost, their chemistry and brand of basketball was far worse than their opponent (dallas, spurs).. The lesser brand of basketball falls primarily on Lebron's shoulders - as the franchise player, he's most responsible for the brand of basketball his teams are capable of.

Ray allen's walk-off in 2013 merely postponed a trend where opposing teams play a superior brand of basketball and render lebron's stats empty - they're empty whether he takes a passive 17 fga on all 3-and-D to protect efficiency (2014 Finals), or whether he doubles the fga to 34, but the additional isolations and midrange required of high volume shooting tanked his efficiency (2015 Finals).




[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0Wc71FrhXQ[/url]

Only one that actually might stand a chance is Anthony Davis

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I'm glad you posted that shit - those ****** are kind of garbage... Very poor fundamentals - I'm not trolling.

In the ENTIRE video, these guys jab stepped a total of TWO TIMES, both by Harden (at the 3:30 and 4:15 marks) - and they were sooooper weak jab steps - lazy, passive jab steps that had zero chance at working... Not a real jab step.. I'm serious - these ****** don't know how to jab step.

MJ had the goat jab step and would destroy these guys... It would be utterly AMAZING to watch a prime Jordan eviscerate these guys and watch them start staring in awe.

Durant's jumpshot is sick, but as the video shows, he has no real moves out of the triple-threat - he wasn't as bad as paul george, but he was pretty bad - everything was a step-back - that's not a move - that's a bailout shot.. So I guess I give Durant props for hitting a bunch of bailout shots - but don't mistake what you saw for good moves.

Btw, Harden with no midrange at the 3:30 mark.. :facepalm
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[U][B][SIZE="4"]Small Forwards with Minimum 15.0 PER[/SIZE][/B][/U]:


[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR][B][U]2014[/U][/B][COLOR="White"].................................[/COLOR][B][U]1990[/U][/B]

Lebron James*...................... Larry Bird*
Kevin Durant*....................... Dominique Wilkins*
Carmelo Anthony*................. Scottie Pippen*
Kawhi Leonard...................... James Worthy*
Gordon Hayward................... Chris Mullin*
Paul Pierce*......................... Bernard King*
Trevor Ariza......................... Alex English*
Andre Iguodala..................... Adrian Dantley*
Nicholas Batum..................... Derrick McKey
Luol Deng............................ Reggie Lewis
Josh Smith........................... Orlando Woolridge
Chandler Parsons.................. Mark Aguirre
Rudy Gay............................ Jerome Kersey or [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374199][u]DPOY [B]SF[/B][/u][/url] Dennis Rodman

HOF (*)


[B]The big advantage at SF in previous eras is no surprise, as ALL frontcourt positions were much better in previous eras.. And the fact that the SG's are at least even (next post), is a testament to the overall advantage that 1990 had.
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The superiority of the 1990 players shows that diverse, mid-range repertoire > 3-and-D.. Obviously, as 3-point shooting has increasingly replaced 2-point shooting, fewer players have needed diverse, 2-point repertoires, so fewer have them.

But not having diverse 2-point repertoires makes today's players worse players because pull-up and turnaround 2-pointers are the shots the defense cannot prevent or stop - a defense can cut-off penetration, but mid-range shots aren't trying to penetrate.. A defense can contest hard to plummet the accuracy of a 3-pointer, but a good mid-range shooter is immune to this..

The inevitable nature of mid-range shot attempts is why mid-range shots give a team the best chance to get off a shot against dialed-in defenses.. Naturally, the greatest and most dominant players of all time were all great post and/or mid-range players - every single one.. Their mid-range and post ability gave them their unstoppable, inevitable quality.




[QUOTE=dubeta]

When MJ has to face an [I]actual zone defense[/I] where players can immediately [b]leave their man and stop the driving lanes[/b]

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You are referring to the strongside flood, where a defender is brought from the weakside to the strongside, so the strongside has more defenders to stop potential penetration.. However, defenders only need to be flooded to the strongside because they were drawn away by weakside spacing in the first place.. Without weakside spacing that draws defenders away from the strongside, the strongside flood isn't necessary.



[QUOTE=dubeta]

In today's game, zone defense isn't allowed in the paint due to defensive 3 seconds, but MJ would still face zone outside the paint..

[B]I guess that's offset by spacing[/B].

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That's right - in today's game, every team's 3-point shooting and spacing strategy uses weakside spacing to reduce the number of defenders on the strongside.. With defenders drawn to the weakside, they are [COLOR="Red"]furthest[/COLOR] away to help on strongside penetration (that's the effect of spacing - being further away to help):


[IMG]http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-06-2015/uAh_p8.gif[/IMG]



However, they didn't shoot 3-pointers in the 80's, so there was no spacing.. Without spacing in previous eras, specifically weakside spacing, defenders stayed on the strongside, eliminating the need to flood anyone over via strongside flood.. With all defenders on the strongside, defenders were [COLOR="blue"]closest[/COLOR] to help on strongside action.. That's the effect of no-spacing - defenders are closer to help.


[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/fq3FHEN.gif[/IMG]


Weakside spacing leaves the strongside with fewer defenders, which necessitates the flooding of defenders BACK TO the strongside - this is how strongside floods originated.

Otoh, as the second GIF showed, weakside spacing didn't exist in previous eras, so defenders weren't lured away from strongside - defenders just remained on the strongside, which meant players faced strongsides that were [I]already flooded with all 5 defenders[/I] [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21][u](5-defender strongsides)[/u][/url]..

These fully-flooded strongsides were a product of no-spacing and represented the "advanced" version of the game that included hand-checking, higher physicality, and legal paint-camping, and therefore requiring more sophisticated 2-point shooting ability..

This is a stark contrast to today's weakside spacing and resulting [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377570][u]1-defender strongsides[/u][/url], which is basically the "beginner" version of the game that includes less strongside defenders, no hand-checking, no paint-camping, no physicality.. The highest levels of [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11534471&postcount=108][u]offensive sophistication[/u][/url] simply aren't needed for the beginner version of the game.








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[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR][SIZE="3"][B]Shooting Guards with 15.0 or Greater PER[/B][/SIZE]


[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][B][U]2006[/U][/B][COLOR="White"]...............................[/COLOR][B][U]1990[/U][/B]

Kobe Bryant..................... Michael Jordan
Dwayne Wade.................. Clyde Drexler
Manu Ginobili................... Joe Dumars
Ray Allen........................ Reggie Miller
Vince Carter.....................Mitch Richmond
Michael Redd................... Ronaldo Blackmon
Richard Hamilton.............. Alvin Robertson
Joe Johnson..................... Dale Ellis
Jason Richardson.............. Ron Harper
Jamal Crawford................ Jeff Hornacek
Bonzi Wells..................... Fat Lever
Mike Miller...................... Hersey Hawkins
Morris Peterson.................Ricky Pierce
Leandro Barbosa...............Jeff Malone


[B]1990 wins - even if you disagree, it's very close, and the entire point is that 1990's [U]frontcourt[/U] players have such a big advantage (next post), that it's a boon to call it even at SG.
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With no spacing in previous eras, the option of running offense to shift the spaced-out defenders and get an open shot wasn't available, so players had to settle for contested shots more often.. When teams don't run as much offense and settle for contested shots instead, pace and shot volume increase.

The volume shooting associated with 2-pointer basketball and the wider repertoires needed to navigate defenders in closer proximity enabled previous era wings to put more pressure on defenders than today's wings - higher volume and wider repertoires meant previous eras wings were more of a threat to have a big game than today's 3-and-D players.

Otoh, today's game requires a slower pace - the spacing necessitates running more offense to shift the spaced-out defenders and set up open 3-point looks.. Also, smaller offensive repertoires are necessary for the wider lanes provided by 3-point shooting and spacing-out environments.. Naturally, it's not surprise that today's 3-and-D wings are less of a threat to go off for a big game and pose less of a threat individually to the defense.. Again, this is in contrast to the [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11188520&postcount=37][u][I]more diverse mid-range games[/I][/u][/url] of previous eras, [I][I]which enabled repeated contested shots[/I][/I] and therefore less time-consuming offense.
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[QUOTE=3ball].
[U][B][SIZE="4"]Small Forwards with Minimum 15.0 PER[/SIZE][/B][/U]:


[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR][B][U]2014[/U][/B][COLOR="White"].................................[/COLOR][B][U]1990[/U][/B]

Lebron James*...................... Larry Bird*
Kevin Durant*....................... Dominique Wilkins*
Carmelo Anthony*................. Scottie Pippen*
Kawhi Leonard...................... James Worthy*
Gordon Hayward................... Chris Mullin*
Paul Pierce*......................... Bernard King*
Trevor Ariza......................... Alex English*
Andre Iguodala..................... Adrian Dantley*
Nicholas Batum..................... Derrick McKey
Luol Deng............................ Reggie Lewis
Josh Smith........................... Orlando Woolridge
Chandler Parsons.................. Mark Aguirre
Rudy Gay............................ Jerome Kersey or [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374199][u]DPOY [B]SF[/B][/u][/url] Dennis Rodman

HOF (*)


[B]1990's big advantage at SF is no surprise, as ALL frontcourt positions were much better in previous eras.. And the fact that the SG's are at least even, is a testament to the overall advantage that 1990 had.
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The superiority of the 1990 players shows that diverse, mid-range repertoire > 3-and-D.. Obviously, as 3-point shooting has increasingly replaced 2-point shooting, fewer players have needed diverse, 2-point repertoires, so fewer have them.

But not having diverse 2-point repertoires makes today's players worse players because pull-up and turnaround 2-pointers are the shots the defense cannot prevent or stop - a defense can cut-off penetration, but mid-range shots aren't trying to penetrate.. A defense can contest hard to plummet the accuracy of a 3-pointer, but a good mid-range shooter is immune to this..

The inevitable nature of mid-range shot attempts is why mid-range shots give a team the best chance to get off a shot against dialed-in defenses.. Naturally, the greatest and most dominant players of all time were all great post and/or mid-range players - every single one.. Their mid-range and post ability gave them their unstoppable, inevitable quality.
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[IMG]http://media.giphy.com/media/11a8FLrVeoLnna/giphy.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=aj1987]

Let's just list all the SG's and SF's who were All-NBA defense while guarding MJ and Kobe.

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[B]Every SG and SF who was All-Defensive Team while guarding Lebron[/B]

Shawn Marion
Andre Igoudala
[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=365450][u]Kobe Bryant[/u][/url]
Kawhi Leonard
Gerald Wallace
Bruce Bowen
Tayshaun Prince
Andrei Kirelinko
Jimmy Butler
Luol Deng
Paul George
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV52IrBoj90][u]Ron Artest[/u][/url]
Thabo Sefalosha
[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10924107&postcount=24][u]Shane Battier[/u][/url]
Tony Allen
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3IQKeenIKw&t=8m51s][u]Raja Bell[/u][/url]
Dwayne Wade



[B]Every SG and SF who was All-Defensive Team while guarding MJ[/B]

[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]Dennis Rodman[/u][/url]
[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376404][u]Michael Cooper[/u][/url]
[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10536861&postcount=264][u]Derrick McKey[/u][/url]
Ronaldo Blackman
Alvin Robertson
Sidney Moncrief
Eddie Jones
John Starks
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xca8mjSzjIo&t=0m28s][u]Doug Christie[/u][/url]
Anthony Mason
Clifford Robinson
Nate McMillan
Dan Majerle
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvquD3ktNbQ][u]Latrell Sprewell[/u][/url]
Joe Dumars
Dennis Johnson
Bobby Phills
Paul Pressey
Rodney McCray
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd9ayPlqCMg][u]Shawn Marion[/u][/url]
[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=352753][u]Kevin Garnett[/u][/url][size="3"]***[/size]



[B]MJ's Best Two-Way Opponents:[/B]

[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10695321&postcount=8][u]Clyde Drexler[/u][/url]
[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744903&postcount=25][u]Dominique Wilkins[/u][/url]
[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=365450][u]Kobe Bryant[/u][/url]
[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692264&postcount=24][u]Penny Hardaway[/u][/url]
[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10667322#post10667322][u]Grant Hill[/u][/url]
Ron Harper
[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=373989][u]Reggie Lewis[/u][/url]
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCOJQOMEJ4Y][u]Ray Allen[/u][/url]
Sean Elliot
Michael Finley
[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744186&postcount=18][u]Kendall Gill[/u][/url]
[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692400&postcount=30][u]Richard Dumas[/u][/url]
Nick Anderson
Jerry Stackhouse


Also, the list above doesn't include many of the tremendous offensive wings that MJ faced including: Dr. J, James Worthy, Bernard King, Mitch Richmond, Alex English, Glenn Robinson, Jamaal Mashburn, Detlef Schrempf, Chris Mullin, Larry Bird, Fat Lever, Jeff Hornacek, Allan Houston, Jeff Malone, Glen Rice, [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360034][u]Kiki Vandeweghe[/u][/url]


[SIZE="3"]***[/SIZE][I]You'll notice that I included a prime Garnett in MJ's list, since he and MJ both played SF in 2002 - in their first meeting when MJ was a Wizard, they were matched up SF vs. SF for the entire game.. MJ scored 35 on Garnett in every way imaginable from the opening tip - at the 4:00 mark, Jordan scores on Garnett for 5 consecutive possessions, with the announcers getting more excited each time:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=embqhggoep4[/url]

Lebron was never guarded by a prime Garnett.. I doubt he would have the quickness to make it a huge mismatch like MJ did.. After all, guys like Boris Diaw, Gordon Hayward fare well against Lebron defensively.[/I]
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[QUOTE=3ball]What SF from 2014 is better than it's counterpart in 1990?

Parsons > Aguirre?

Not even that.. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

It's adorable that you think I actually read what you say.

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[B]The stats prove that previous era bigs would score easier on the post than today's bigs.[/b]

The top 5 big men in post efficiency (points-per-possession, PPP) are Jonas Valcunious, Kevin Love, Donatas Montejunas, Lamarcus Aldridge, and Marc Gasol.

[url]http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/post-up/?dir=1&sort=PPP&CF=Poss*GE*200&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season[/url]

[I]All these guys achieve the standard for elite efficiency of 1.00 PPP, despite having weak post games.. This proves how much the superior bigs of previous would dominate today's game - all the bigs listed below from 1996 were better post scorers than today's top 5, so they'd ALSO be getting elite post PPP.. And clearly, today's top 5 wouldn't even be in the top 10 if these guys were playing:
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Hakeem
Shaq
Robinson
Ewing
Alonzo
Sabonis
Karl Malone
Barkley
Webber
Kemp

And probably Rik Smits, Vin Baker, Dino Radja, and certainly Derrick Coleman.

The league changed the rules in 2005 to increase the percentages on ball movement and dribble penetration, which have [I]surpassed[/I] post-ups in some spots.. But the percentages on post-ups [i]themselves[/i] haven't diminished at all, as proven by the elite post percentages of today's bigs, which only demonstrates how much the superior bigs of previous eras would dominate today.






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[COLOR="White"]....................................................[/COLOR][B][COLOR="Green"][SIZE="3"]SPACING[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]


There was no weakside spacing in previous eras, so all 5 defenders remained on the strongside, and therefore closest to help on strongside action:


[IMG]http://www.gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/95daa895eb22b488294eeed3b6d490c3.gif[/img]



Otoh, today's game uses weakside spacing to reduce the number of strongside defenders.. Help defenders are now on the [I]weakside[/I] and furthest from helping on strongside action:


[IMG]http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-22-2015/WAhpK1.gif[/img]


The weakside spacing and resulting porous strongsides necessitate the flooding of defenders BACK TO the strongside - this is how strongside floods originated.

Otoh, as the first GIF showed, weakside spacing didn't exist in previous eras, so defenders weren't lured away from the strongside - defenders just remained on the strongside, which meant players faced strongsides that were [I]already flooded with all 5 defenders[/I] [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21][u](5-defender strongsides)[/u][/url].

These fully-flooded strongsides were a product of no-spacing and represented the "advanced" version of the game that included hand-checking, higher physicality, narrower lanes, legal paint-camping and packed paints, which therefore required more sophisticated 2-point shooting ability.

This is a stark contrast to today's weakside spacing and resulting [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377570][u]1-defender strongsides[/u][/url], which is basically the "beginner" version of the game that includes less strongside defenders, no hand-checking, no physicality, wider lanes no paint-camping and wide open paints..

The aforementioned [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11021030&postcount=6][u]sophisticated 2-point shooting ability[/u][/url] that was necessary to mitigate the no-spacing of previous eras, is not necessary in the contemporary "beginner" environment.