Lebron craters the apg and assist % of his teammates

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[COLOR="Blue"][SIZE="2"][B]Lebron achieves his APG by significantly lowering his teammates' APG and assist %:[/B][/SIZE][/COLOR]


[COLOR="Green"]Wade apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'):[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] [url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:per_game]6.6[/url], [url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:advanced]34.8%[/url] [/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Wade apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron (11'-14'):[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] [url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_game]4.7[/url], [url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:advanced]25.5%[/url] [/COLOR]

[COLOR="Green"]Irving apg and assist % before Lebron (12'-14'):[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] [url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:per_game]5.8[/url], [url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:advanced]33.2%[/url][/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Irving apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] Lebron (2015):[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 5.2, 25.0%[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Green"]Bosh apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'):[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 2.2, 10.5%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Bosh apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron (11'-14'):[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_game]1.6[/url], [COLOR="White"].[/COLOR][url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:advanced]8.0%[/url] [/COLOR]

[COLOR="Green"]Kevin Love apg and assist % in MIN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 2.5, 13.0%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Kevin Love apg and assist % in CLE:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 2.2, 10.7%[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Green"]Mo Williams apg and assist % before Lebron:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 6.3, 30.0%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Mo Williams apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 4.1, 20.1%[/COLOR]

[B]FYI...
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[COLOR="Green"]Pippen apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] Jordan 91'-93':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] [url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:per_game]6.5[/url], [url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:advanced]24.5[/url][/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Pippen apg and assist % w/out Jordan 94'-95':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] [url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1994-1995-sum:per_game]5.4[/url], [url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1994-1995-sum:advanced]23.7[/url][/COLOR]
[COLOR="Green"]Pippen apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] Jordan 96'-98':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] [url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:per_game]5.8[/url], [url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:advanced]25.1[/url][/COLOR]


It's bad enough that Lebron reduces his teammates' APG (playmaking), but he also increases their assisted rate (play-finishing)!!!... Therefore, it's statistical fact that Lebron turns teammates from playmakers into play-finishers.

Unfortunately, his teammates' predictable play-finishing roles don't work against the best playoff teams - since teammates are playing undercapacity, the TEAM plays undercapacity/underperforms (i.e. losing as the favorite in 2009 ECF, 2010 ECSF, and 2011 Finals, or losing when it was 50/50 - [url=http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/2014/06/nba_finals_2014_experts_predict_whether_the_heat_or_spurs_will_come_out_on_top_in_the_finals_rematch.html]2014 Finals)[/url].

That's the difference between 2/6 and 6/6.. MJ got the most out of his teammates (elevates teammates), while Lebron doesn't (he turns them into play-finishers).

Now the question is WHY SPECIFICALLY does Lebron turn teammates into play-finishers?.. The reason is [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12056301&postcount=60]twofold[/url].



[QUOTE=AirBonner]

He just needs a better coach

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Lebron doesn't know how to play any other way besides dominating the ball, so a different coach wouldn't help - he's already had plenty of coaches from all over the world.. Lebron's ball-dominance and the subsequent reduction of teammates into play-finishers [I][COLOR="Navy"]simply takes over every team he's on[/COLOR][/I].. It's called Lebron-ball, and Lebron can't do anything else.

Look at Miami - with Wade there, Lebron had the best incentive to play off-ball... But he couldn't do it - he's not capable of playing that way..

You simply can't run the Warriors offense or the triangle with Lebron on the floor, PERIOD.. Lebron-ball simply takes over, because that's the only way he knows how to play.

Can you imagine the Warriors, Spurs, or 90's Bulls turning their 70-win juggernauts of optimal chemistry and teamwork into disgusting Lebron-ball?... I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.



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Here's Lebron's FG% on all [I]"jumpshots"[/I] and [I]"midrange"[/I] from stats.nba.com (midrange is defined as all shots inside 3-point line but outside paint):[/B][/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"].........[/COLOR][U]All Jumpshots[/U][COLOR="White"]...................[/COLOR] [U]Midrange[/U]

[B]2004[/B]: 32.5%, 324/998............ 33.2%, 183/551
[B]2005[/B]: 35.2%, 400/1136.......... 36.0%, 217/602
[B]2006[/B]: 36.3%, 423/1166.......... 38.4%, 242/630
[B]2007[/B]: 34.9%, 372/1066.......... 35.1%, 204/581
[B]2008[/B]: 33.8%, 338/1001.......... 36.4%, 185/508
[B]2009[/B]: 35.7%, 366/1024.......... 36.8%, 193/525
[B]2010[/B]: 36.7%, 356/970........... 38.8%, 188/444
[B]2011[/B]: 40.6%, 393/968........... 44.6%, 217/487
[B]2012[/B]: 39.9%, 290/726........... 42.3%, 188/444
[B]2013[/B]: 42.5%, 333/784........... 43.2%, 174/403
[B]2014[/B]: 39.1%, 288/736........... 38.5%, 126/327
[B]2015[/B]: 35.5%, 280/788........... 37.0%, 127/343
[B]2016[/B]: 33.1%, 114/331........... 36.6%, 56/163


[B]As you can see, Lebron's jumpshooting has been near the bottom of the league for nearly his ENTIRE CAREER - otoh, Kobe's jumpshooting was never considered among the league's worst.[/B]


[quote=pauk]

Where were you making these claims during his 14' finals? How about nearly his whole time at Miami?

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You don't realize how dumb Lebron and the Heat were in 2014.. In the Finals, the Heat shot better than any other Spurs opponent (DAL, POR, OKC), yet they lost by the most.

Why is this?.. Because the Heat were so wrapped up in their efficiency strategy, that they lost sight of what wins games - POINTS - the more points you score, the better chance you have to win, irregardless of efficiency.

[I]This was proven by the stats.. Again, the Heat shot the best, but lost by the most and had the widest differential in ORtg ever.. Otoh, the stat that ACTUALLY affected the ORtg differential was PPG[/I]:

DAL scored the most ppg vs. Spurs, and their disadvantage in ORtg was the smallest.. OKC scored the 2nd most ppg, and their disadvantage in ORtg was the 2nd smallest.. POR scored the 3rd most, and their disadvantage was the 3rd smallest... And of course, Miami, with their dumb efficiency strategy, scored the least ppg, and their disadvantage in ORtg was the most, BY FAR..






THE most important aspect of offense: SPACING.[/I]

3-point shooting spaces-out defenders.. Accordingly, the level of spacing in a given era affects the way defense is played - defenders either make extra rotations due to 3-point shooting/spaced-out defenders (today's era), or defenders have less rotations due to no spacing/bunched-up defenders (previous eras).

Ultimately, improvements in spacing over the years have been offset by extra rotations on defense, which is why league-wide offensive rating (the stat measuring how hard it is to score) has been stable for 30 years.. ORtg has ranged between 105 and 108 since 1980, excluding a brief downswing from 1999-2004.

The minor shifts within that 105-108 range are due to style of play differences between the eras that affect inputs to the ORtg calculation, such as offensive rebounding rate and FT rate.. Specifically, the higher proportion of 2-pointers taken in previous eras resulted in higher offensive rebounding rate, which inflated ORtg.. That's how the stat is calculated - [url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html]notice how[/url] as 3-pointers increase over the years, offensive rebounding rate declines, which reduced ORtg.. Nonetheless, the rule changes in 2005 (hand-check ban and defensive 3 seconds) began to inflate ORtg again, and it reached all-time highs from 2008-2011.

But again, regardless of these minor shifts, ORtg has remained within the 105-108 range for 30 years - stable ORtg over the years proves the difficulty of scoring hasn't changed, and the changes in offensive strategy (spacing) and defensive strategy (extra rotations) are offsetting - you either have extra rotations required by spacing and defensive 3 seconds (today's game), or the rotations aren't necessary because there is no spacing or defensive 3 seconds (previous eras)

Did you just pull a HurricecanKid quote from a different thread?!? I didn't remember him being in this thread, so I checked... and didn't see him. Did I miss something?

In all seriousness, what is wrong with you?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

It's crazy because Cleveland could've won the series had they had a capable scorer. GS didn't exactly play at their RS level. The chip was up for grabs. And who cares about Lebron's rebounds when he had a backcourt fully capable of grabbing those boards. He should be pushing the tempo and rushing down court while the bugs do their job. He wasn't really a floor general in this series either. The cavs had no offense. Good passer but can't really control the game and force his will.

I have given up in these "anti Lebron" threads.

Here is REALITY.

Lebron joined a team that had gone 17-65 the year before, and immediately doubled their wins. Within a couple of years he led a cast of scrubs to the Cavs first ever Finals. He guided that same cast of goofballs to a team record of 66-16, and then to a 61-21 record. He left that team to go to Miami, and guess what? The Cavs fell to 19-63.

He joined a Heat team that had gone 47-35 and were first round cannon-fodder, and took them to a 58-24 record and a trip to the Finals. In his four seasons with the Heat they went to four straight Finals, won two of them, and set a team record with a 66-16 record. Furthermore, they went 47-18 in the games in which Wade missed. He left the Heat, and they immediately plummeted to a 37-45 record, and missed the playoffs.

He joined a Cavs team that had gone 33-49 the year before, and immediately led them to a 53-29 record. Oh, and in the games in which he missed, they went 3-10. With him... 50-19.

He took that roster, with injuries to his two best teammates, to the Finals, where he single-handedly won two games, and nearly won two more, against a 67-15 Warrior team that had murdered their rivals in what was arguably the toughest conference in many seasons.

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]I have given up in these "anti Lebron" threads.

Here is REALITY.

Lebron joined a team that had gone 17-65 the year before, and immediately doubled their wins. Within a couple of years he led a cast of scrubs to the Cavs first ever Finals. He guided that same cast of goofballs to a team record of 66-16, and then to a 61-21 record. He left that team to go to Miami, and guess what? The Cavs fell to 19-63.

He joined a Heat team that had gone 47-35 and were first round cannon-fodder, and took them to a 58-24 record and a trip to the Finals. In his four seasons with the Heat they went to four straight Finals, won two of them, and set a team record with a 66-16 record. Furthermore, they went 47-18 in the games in which Wade missed. He left the Heat, and they immediately plummeted to a 37-45 record, and missed the playoffs.

He joined a Cavs team that had gone 33-49 the year before, and immediately led them to a 53-29 record. Oh, and in the games in which he missed, they went 3-10. With him... 50-19.

He took that roster, with injuries to his two best teammates, to the Finals, where he single-handedly won two games, and nearly won two more, against a 67-15 Warrior team that had murdered their rivals in what was arguably the toughest conference in many seasons.[/QUOTE]

Cliffnotes: 2/6

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Cliffnotes: 2/6[/QUOTE]


Cliffnotes:

Curry 1/6.

Played six seasons in the NBA, could only get his team to one Finals, and watched while a backup led that team to a ring. Hell, Lebron, on a losing team, outvoted him 4-0 in the FMVP balloting.

Lebron >>>>>>>>>>>>> Curry. Not even close my friend.

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Cliffnotes:

Curry 1/6.

Played six seasons in the NBA, could only get his team to one Finals, and watched while a backup led that team to a ring. Hell, Lebron, on a losing team, outvoted him 4-0 in the FMVP balloting.

Lebron >>>>>>>>>>>>> Curry. Not even close my friend.[/QUOTE]

Curry is 1/1, brought a title to the team he was drafted to with no other hall of fame teammates.

Let me know when bran does that....

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Curry is 1/1, brought a title to the team he was drafted to with no other hall of fame teammates.

Let me know when bran does that....[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Nuff Said]:roll: :roll: :roll:

It's crazy because Cleveland could've won the series had they had a capable scorer. GS didn't exactly play at their RS level. The chip was up for grabs. [/QUOTE]

This.

GS played terribly relative to what they were capable of. With Love and Irving out, and Lebron in a shooting slump, Cleveland was probably one of the weakest teams ever in the finals, and they still took 2 games from GS.

Even without another scorer, if Lebron was his normal self, it would have been a competitive series.

[QUOTE=3ball]Horseshit - in 1991, Pippen wasn't all-nba or even an all-star.

1991 was one of only 3 times that anyone WON a ring with only 1 all-star on the team.. Plenty of guys have just MADE the Finals with only 1 all-star.. :rolleyes:

You guys are really delusional - just making up stuff - any lie is fine for you guys if it makes Lebron look better.. :rolleyes:



Exactly - MJ's stats in the 1991 Finals were far better than Lebron's 2015 Finals and he did much better than just winning a couple games - MJ won the entire series against the greatest PG of all time and top 5 all-time player - MJ destroyed Magic mono-a-mono... Lebron has never destroyed a top 5 all-time player and never will.

Everything Lebron has done in his career pales in comparison to MJ's 1991 Finals and MJ's entire prime for that matter, statistically and accolade/stature-wise.
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I'm honored that someone I have on IGNORE would think so much of my contributions in a thread would post them in another thread (taking them out of context in the process).

Thanks Shutts for pointing out how low 3Ball goes.

The two All NBA player thing was that a team was WITHOUT two players who were All NBA players in the last few seasons. Not that didn't have two on the team but that was playing without two such players. It blows everything you have done all season out of the water and you have to reinvent yourself deep in the playoffs. No team has ever been able to overcome such devastation. But if this were the thread I posted that in it would make far more sense.

[QUOTE=Nuff Said]:roll: :roll: :roll:

It's crazy because Cleveland could've won the series had they had a capable scorer. GS didn't exactly play at their RS level. The chip was up for grabs. And who cares about Lebron's rebounds when he had a backcourt fully capable of grabbing those boards. He should be pushing the tempo and rushing down court while the bugs do their job. He wasn't really a floor general in this series either. The cavs had no offense. Good passer but can't really control the game and force his will.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Curry is 1/1, brought a title to the team he was drafted to with no other hall of fame teammates.

Let me know when bran does that....[/QUOTE]

Andre Iguodala was Finals MVP...so hes more deserving of the credit for that championship actually

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]I have given up in these "anti Lebron" threads.
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I have given up trying to explain to a retard he is a retard hoping he keeps his mouth shut.

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[COLOR="White"]................[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="3"][I]Percentage of team points scored while player was on floor[/I][/SIZE][/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"].........................[/COLOR][B]RS[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]RS 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]


[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]36.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]40.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]37.7[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]46.3[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]40.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]50.4[/url]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]36.3[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]42.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]39.7[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]48.8[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]43.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]49.1[/url]


[I][B]SHAQ 2000[/B][/I]....... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]35.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]38.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs]34.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]39.4[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]38.4[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]43.9[/url]
[I][B]SHAQ 2001[/B][/I]....... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]33.9[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]38.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs]33.9[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]34.0[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]35.4[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]26.2[/url]
[I][B]SHAQ 2002[/B][/I]....... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]33.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]35.3[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs]33.5[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]25.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]38.1[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]28.2[/url]


[I][B]PIPPEN 1997[/B][/I].... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/937/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]24.7[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/937/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]22.2[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/937/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]24.6[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/937/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]25.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/937/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]25.1[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/937/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]26.4[/url]
[I][B]PIPPEN 1998[/B][/I].... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/937/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]24.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/937/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]19.7[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/937/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]21.9[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/937/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]15.8[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/937/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]22.1[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/937/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]14.7[/url]


[I][B]KOBE 2000[/B][/I]....... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]27.5[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]29.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs]26.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]27.0[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]19.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]15.7[/url]
[I][B]KOBE 2001[/B][/I]....... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]32.7[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]34.4[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs]31.4[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]37.0[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]25.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]23.7[/url]
[I][B]KOBE 2002[/B][/I]....... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]30.9[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]31.3[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs]29.9[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]34.0[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]27.2[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]32.4[/url]

[I][B]KOBE 2008[/B][/I]....... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]31.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]36.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs]33.9[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]41.5[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]30.4[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]32.1[/url]

[I][B]LEBRON 2009[/B][/I].... 35.0..... 39.3..... 41.5..... 42.4
[I][B]LEBRON 2010[/B][/I].... 34.6..... 44.4..... 32.6..... 40.3
[I][B]LEBRON 2011[/B][/I].... 32.0..... 32.8..... 28.1..... 30.7...... 21.4...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]14.8[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2012[/B][/I].... 34.2..... 33.8..... 34.5..... 34.9...... 30.0...... 33.3
[I][B]LEBRON 2013[/B][/I].... 32.1..... 32.1..... 30.6..... 36.0...... 29.3...... 39.1
[I][B]LEBRON 2014[/B][/I].... 33.1..... 38.2..... 35.3..... 32.1...... 39.6...... 29.5
[I][B]LEBRON 2015[/B][/I].... 30.1..... 38.9..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs]35.0[/url]..... 42.4...... 40.0...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]44.5[/url]


[B][COLOR="Blue"]As you can see, 34-35 year old MJ scored a much higher proportion of his team's points while on the floor than everyone, including PRIME SHAQ and especially in the 4th quarter.. (Shaq got twice the reb & blk, but MJ got twice the apg & spg, so we're left with pts).

And Jordan's 1997/1998 teams were supposed to be more "stacked" (:rolleyes:) than the first 3-peat teams from his prime - so just imagine if we had the stats from MJ's prime - he probably scored 60-70% of his team's points while on the floor.[/color][/b]
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[QUOTE=3ball]Lebron is 2/6 in the Finals - he beat the best Western Conference team only twice, so if he was in the Western Conference, he would've made only 2 Finals in his entire career.

That's why merely MAKING the Finals is not an accomplishment that all-time greats ever get credit for - everyone knows that the Finals loser would never have made the Finals in the other conference.. :confusedshrug:

This idea that merely making the Finals is an accomplishment that compares to winning the Finals is a new idea purported by new fans only... 15 years from now, those same new fans will understand how dumb they are when the new fans 15 years from now start saying that making the conference finals is equal to making the Finals.. :rolleyes:



If Lebron shot 51% on his repeated clearouts in the Finals instead of 39.8%, Cleveland could've easily won the series with Lebron averaging less rebounds and assists.. :confusedshrug:

That's why I always laugh when people use the argument "[I]Lebron leads his team in pts, rebs, assists[/I]...".. They fail to realize that MJ's 8-point and 6-point scoring advantage in the Finals and playoffs respectively (plus greater clutch), are worth much more than a couple extra defensive rebounds..

So who cares whether Lebron leads his team in pts, rebs, and assists - MJ leads his team in pts and assists, and he's SO far ahead of Lebron scoring-wise and clutch, it more than offsets his 2-rebound deficit.. It's pretty intuitive and basic common knowledge that 6-8 more ppg is worth more than a couple defensive rebounds, particularly for the #1 option.[/QUOTE]

You should just make a Wikipedia page and post the link. Save yourself a bunch of cutting and pasting all your repetitive stuff.