MJ is the most double-teamed player of all time, besides Wilt

I know of a game, that definitely has footage, of Durant being double teamed full court for most of the game. Can I link footage of that game and claim no one has ever been doubled to the same extent even though there are thousands upon thousands of games of all-time greats that I've never seen and never will?

The hell is up with 3ball's bullshit tactic of using a limited sample size or limited pool of data and Stretch Armstronging his way to reach the conclusion that "Jordan iz da GOAT"?? Who the hell thinks that's a sound and logical arguing technique?

[QUOTE=3ball]It's not a schtick... It's the truth... Lebron's horrible midrange means he wouldn't be as good in the 80's when that was the primary option without the 3-point shooting needed to make drive-and-kick mathematically worthwhile..

I mean, if Lebron shot 50% from midrange instead of 35%, then I would have no argument - but his horrible midrange efficiency enables the argument to be true... Btw, his horrible midrange efficiency is the reason for his horrible isolation efficiency, since 1-on-1 results in a lot of midrange.
Watch the amount of doubles
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOS1qNTWb70[/url]
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Watch the doubles [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOS1qNTWb70[/url]

[QUOTE=KG215]I know of a game, that definitely has footage, of Durant being double teamed full court for most of the game. Can I link footage of that game and claim no one has ever been doubled to the same extent even though there are thousands upon thousands of games of all-time greats that I've never seen and never will?

The hell is up with 3ball's bullshit tactic of using a limited sample size or limited pool of data and Stretch Armstronging his way to reach the conclusion that "Jordan iz da GOAT"?? Who the hell thinks that's a sound and logical arguing technique?[/QUOTE]
That's 3ball for you. He cherrypicks stats and arguments and keeps going in a circle like a dog trying to catch its tail. Try typing a length reply which absolutely wrecks him, he ignored most of it and replies to one single point, going back to the same retarded argument.

[QUOTE=juju151111]

Watch the doubles [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOS1qNTWb70[/url]

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^^^ That game was MJ's 53 point game against Indiana in 1987, where he faced incessant double-teams on every possession.

I posted another game below - watch two minutes from the 6:40 mark to the 8:40 mark.. The video shows MJ being double-teamed 12 times in a row in the 4th quarter - they are shown in rapid succession.. It's amazing - NO PLAYER has ever been double-teamed like that, except Wilt... The announcers mention how MJ was being doubled on every single possession at the 7:55 and 8:18 marks:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLDGm8pV6uU&t=6m40s[/url]

[QUOTE=KG215]I know of a game, that definitely has footage, of Durant being double teamed full court for most of the game. Can I link footage of that game and claim no one has ever been doubled to the same extent even though there are thousands upon thousands of games of all-time greats that I've never seen and never will?

The hell is up with 3ball's bullshit tactic of using a limited sample size or limited pool of data and Stretch Armstronging his way to reach the conclusion that "Jordan iz da GOAT"?? Who the hell thinks that's a sound and logical arguing technique?[/QUOTE]
KD was double teamed literally every possession in 2013 against the Grizzlies.

3ball knows nothing outside of Jordan, and all these threads do is expose his lack of bball knowledge.

I think he's doing it on purpose for attention just like kennethgriffin. Kinda sad.

[QUOTE=Vaniiiia]

[B]KD was double teamed literally every possession in 2013 against the Grizzlies. [/B]

3ball knows nothing outside of Jordan, and all these threads do is expose his lack of bball knowledge.

I think he's doing it on purpose for attention just like kennethgriffin. Kinda sad.[/QUOTE]
Post the video showing Durant being doubled every time he touched it, or stfu.

I provided video in the OP, and my previous post above showed another game where MJ was doubled 12 times in a row.. I'll repost it here - it's only 2 minutes long - the double-teams are shown in rapid succession starting at the 6:40 mark to the 8:40 mark:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLDGm8pV6uU&t=6m40s[/url]

[QUOTE=3ball]Post the video showing Durant being doubled every time he touched it, or stfu.

I provided video in the OP, and my previous post above showed another game where MJ was doubled 12 times in a row.. I'll repost it here - it's only 2 minutes long - the double-teams are shown in rapid succession starting at the 6:40 mark to the 8:40 mark:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLDGm8pV6uU&t=6m40s[/url][/QUOTE]
I don't do the work of peasants like you.

No time to dig up video footage of shit I watched with my own two eyes and have a clear memory of... I don't need to prove anything, it's already out there.

Go find it yourself. I mean, what else do you have to do? You've literally been on here all day copy/pasting the same material.

I know you don't actually watch the NBA, which means you don't remember anything that happened in 2013, so it might actually be a learning experience for you to go dig up some footage that has nothing to do with the guy that got his father killed. You need to branch out.

[QUOTE=3ball]

Post the video showing Durant being doubled every time he touched it, or stfu.

[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Vaniiiia]I don't do the work of peasants like you.

No time to dig up video footage of shit I watched with my own two eyes and have a clear memory of... I don't need to prove anything, it's already out there.

Go find it yourself. I mean, what else do you have to do? You've literally been on here all day copy/pasting the same material.

I know you don't actually watch the NBA, which means you don't remember anything that happened in 2013, so it might actually be a learning experience for you to go dig up some footage that has nothing to do with the guy that got his father killed. You need to branch out.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=3ball][IMG]http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/twit.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Cute.

But here's a more accurate depiction of you:

[img]http://i.imgur.com/eEe3mul.gif[/img]

:lol


Just admit I get to you on a personal level AND on a fan level. I own your soul 2 ball. Thass just the way it be. Not only do I expose Jordan but I expose YOU in the process.

With no effort either. Someones gonna post the Durant footage FOR ME, and you'll meltdown further and further until eventually you stop coming here anymore. My bullying tactics have ended more careers on here than even I'd like to admit.

I'm off for now though big dawg. Keep on fightin' the good fight... exposing Jordan for being inferior to both KD AND LeBron. :oldlol:

#60WinsWithoutJordan

[QUOTE=3ball][IMG]http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/twit.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Just sayin, while I don't agree with some of what you say, you rekt him.

[QUOTE=Vaniiiia]Cute.

But here's a more accurate depiction of you:

[img]http://i.imgur.com/eEe3mul.gif[/img]

:lol


Just admit I get to you on a personal level AND on a fan level. I own your soul 2 ball. Thass just the way it be. Not only do I expose Jordan but I expose YOU in the process.

With no effort either. Someones gonna post the Durant footage FOR ME, and you'll meltdown further and further until eventually you stop coming here anymore. My bullying tactics have ended more careers on here than even I'd like to admit.

I'm off for now though big dawg. Keep on fightin' the good fight... exposing Jordan for being inferior to both KD AND LeBron. :oldlol:

#60WinsWithoutJordan[/QUOTE]

Meltdown:oldlol:

[QUOTE=catch24]Shaq was the most double-teamed player in modern history.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.
The 00 & 02 Finals are a good example if you want to see a crazy amount of double/triple teaming.
Indiana even doubled Shaq off the ball at times.
Shaq is the most double/triple teamed guy ever.

Also Mr. 3ball keeps saying that Jordan was doubled everytime he ever had the ball but I recently watched some footage of the 92 Finals (Chicago VS Portland) and while I didn't watch the whole series I watched a good deal of it and I rarely saw Portland double teaming Jordan and infact their defense looked pretty awful at times letting Jordan get easy looks for jumpers and flat out letting him take open deep jumpers sometimes.
Again I didn't watch the whole series just parts of it but clearly they were not double teaming him a good deal of the time.
Portlands defense didn't seem to have great unity and guys seemed to just try and stick with their own assignment for the most part.

[QUOTE=ShaqTwizzle]

Agreed.
The 00 & 02 Finals are a good example if you want to see a crazy amount of double/triple teaming.
Indiana even doubled Shaq off the ball at times.
Shaq is the most double/triple teamed guy ever.

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If Shaq was double-teamed so much, it shouldn't be hard to find a stretch where he is double-teamed every time he caught the ball - not just 3 or 4 times in a row - 10 times in a row like the videos of MJ showed earlier itt.

Shaq has never been double-teamed 10 possessions in a row like MJ - this happened to MJ a lot, but it never happened to Shaq, in part because Shaq was always on stacked squads where it would be detrimental to double Shaq every possession and let Kobe go off, or let Fisher/Fox/Horry go crazy from three.

Otoh, MJ had zero help until about 1990... Up until then, MJ was frequently doubled EVERY SINGLE TIME HE TOUCHED IT - again, if this really happened to Shaq, it shouldn't be hard to find a stretch where he is doubled every time he catches the ball.. I've shown several instances where this type of every-possession double-teaming happened to MJ - but no one has provided that for Shaq - everyone SAYS he got doubled more than MJ, but they can't prove it... But I have already PROVEN that MJ got doubled more, whereas you guys are just talking out of your ass.

[QUOTE=3ball]If Shaq was double-teamed so much, it shouldn't be hard to find a stretch where he is double-teamed every time he caught the ball - not just 3 or 4 times in a row - 10 times in a row like the videos of MJ showed earlier itt.
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I am sure it wouldn't be hard to find that or something comparable to your Jordan example.
I don't have the energy right now to do it though.
I give you props for your effort.

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Shaq has never been double-teamed 10 possessions in a row like MJ - this happened to MJ a lot, but it never happened to Shaq[/QUOTE]

You say this but you can't off your head remember all of Shaq's playoff games and how he was defended in them so how could you know either way?
I definitely remember many games where he was doubled literally everytime he got the ball and occasionally off the ball.

[QUOTE]in part because Shaq was always on stacked squads where it would be detrimental to double Shaq every possession and let Kobe go off[/QUOTE]

That really isn't true.
Shaq's 00 & 02 squads were pretty weak honestly.
Just Kobe and a couple of ok roleplayers.

Pippen in the early 90's put up better numbers then Kobe did in 00 or 02 and he played better defense.
Jordan also had Grant while Shaq never had a special 3rd guy like that.

He also had many other years with crap casts that lacked even a single All-Star caliber player.
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]>inb4 Van Exel and Jones were actual All-Stars[/COLOR]
No they were not.

[QUOTE]or let Fisher/Fox/Horry go crazy from three.[/QUOTE]

These guys aren't exactly renown sharp shooters and they shot poorly from deep in some of their runs/seasons.
Look up the playoff stats for the 00 Laker squad and you'll see how little support Shaq had outside of Kobe.
That squad was incredibly thin, old, unproductive and inefficient.

[QUOTE]Otoh, MJ had zero help until about 1990... Up until then, MJ was frequently doubled EVERY SINGLE TIME HE TOUCHED IT[/QUOTE]

You haven't provided much evidence for this other then one video where MJ was facing a team known to focus their defense more specifically on him then most other teams did.
You also provided a gif where he wasn't doubled at all.

Also how Jordan was doubled during his contending years doesn't matter?
I would think that would matter even more.

[QUOTE]everyone SAYS he got doubled more than MJ, but they can't prove it...[/QUOTE]

That is actually true but the fact remains that neither side can prove it so we are kind of wasting time here.

I watched plenty of Jordan in the 90's and tons of Shaq in the early 00's and per my memories Shaq was double/triple teamed considerably more often and far more consistently.

I think a big part of that is simply the fact that post players are much easier to double and perimeter players are very rarely doubled until they instigate a move and have moved towards the basket.

While with post scorers the second the offense moves to get them the ball or throws them the ball the defense can immediately react and double.
I am sure you get what I am saying there.

I think defenses also improved and became more cohesive while just "sticking with your man" becomes more common the further you go back.

But yeah there isn't any real point of debating this since it would take a ton of time to actually track how often they were double/triple teamed over a large number of playoff games for both players and actually formulate a factual picture of how it went down.

I can respect your opinion and hopefully you can respect mine.

:kobe:

:facepalm