Re: Chamberlain with 21 KNOWN Playoff Triple Doubles
[QUOTE=dankok8][B]NBAstats.net doesn't have Wilt with 10 blocks in 1969 Game 7 vs. Boston.[/B] Overall he's credited there with 23 games of 10+ blocks, not 25 games. And to be honest it would be nice if the authors kept more track of their sources. Saying "Long Beach Press-Telegram" isn't good enough. They really should have the issue and page number so researchers can confirm it. I'm not saying this data isn't true just that it's hard to verify. And like a few people pointed out, many stats weren't even recorded and there are no tapes so even the published numbers of unofficial stats are iffy.
Anyways in the 1970 postseason he allegedly had four games of 10+ blocks which makes his [B]zero[/B] blocks and total defensive disappearance in Game 7 even more inexcusable. You can't blame injuries when he was crushing other opponents earlier in the same playoffs.[/QUOTE]
Check again my friend.
10 blocks in game seven of the '69 Finals.
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[QUOTE=Psileas[B]]Lazeruss, did you check those nice stats they added for the '69 Finals? Wilt is thought as having averaged 7.7 blocks in his, oh, so "sucky" '69 series and around 8 during the whole postseason[/B].
Correct. And knowing how people root against Goliath winning, maybe Wilt had 12 rings and multiple 100 point games after all.[/QUOTE]
You just beat me to it.
I posted all of his known Playoff Triple Doubles and right after that his '69 playoff block numbers (7.7 bpg in his Finals... and 8.8 bpg overall...in his 17 playoff games.)
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[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]You just beat me to it.
I posted all of his known Playoff Triple Doubles and right after that his '69 playoff block numbers (7.7 bpg in his Finals... and 8.8 bpg overall...in his 17 playoff games.)[/QUOTE]
[B]Can you post the source for these block averages?
[/B]
Heck NBAstats has block tallies from some games listed as estimates but then counts them in another document.
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[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Check again my friend.
10 blocks in game seven of the '69 Finals.[/QUOTE]
Ya I misread it. They had four games labelled as a "finals game".
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[QUOTE=dankok8]To be honest it would be nice if the authors on NBAstats.net kept more track of their sources. Saying "Long Beach Press-Telegram" isn't good enough. They really should have the issue and page number so other researchers can confirm it. I'm not saying this data isn't true just that it's hard to verify. And like a few people pointed out, many stats weren't even recorded and there are no tapes so even the published numbers of unofficial stats are iffy.
[B]Anyways in the 1970 postseason he allegedly had four games of 10+ blocks which makes his [B]zero[/B] blocks and total defensive disappearance in Game 7 even more inexcusable. You can't blame injuries when he was crushing other opponents earlier in the same playoffs[/B].[/QUOTE]
Oh of course. After all this is WILT we are talking about, right. He is held to a MUCH higher standard than anyone else.
Here was a Wilt...ONLY FOUR MONTHS AFTER MAJOR KNEE SURGERY...putting up a 23-24 .625 Finals...but getting ripped for not blocking any shots in a game seven.
I have already pointed out the FLOP JOBS that players like a HEALTHY MJ, and KAJ put up in clinching series games, and following huge prior games. BUT, yes, Jordan gets excused for following up a 63 point playoff game with an 19 point game in a blowout loss; or KAJ following his brilliant game six of the '74 Finals, with a POS game seven, on his home floor, in a blowout loss, and getting outplayed by a foul-plagued Cowens in the process.
But again...this was WILT. Even on one leg he was EXPECTED to put up 45-27 games on 20-27 shooting in EVERY ONE of them.
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[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Oh of course. After all this is WILT we are talking about, right. He is held to a MUCH higher standard than anyone else.
Here was a Wilt...ONLY FOUR MONTHS AFTER MAJOR KNEE SURGERY...putting up a 23-24 .625 Finals...but getting ripped for not blocking any shots in a game seven.
I have already pointed out the FLOP JOBS that players like a HEALTHY MJ, and KAJ put up in clinching series games, and following huge prior games. BUT, yes, Jordan gets excused for following up a 63 point playoff game with an 19 point game in a blowout loss; or KAJ following his brilliant game six of the '74 Finals, with a POS game seven, on his home floor, in a blowout loss, and getting outplayed by a foul-plagued Cowens in the process.
But again...this was WILT. Even on one leg he was EXPECTED to put up 45-27 games on 20-27 shooting in EVERY ONE of them.[/QUOTE]
I was just saying you can't make an injury excuse for Wilt's poor defense in Game 7. He had four games that postseason with 10+ blocks and yet [B]ZERO[/B] in that game.
Anyways, can you post some sources for his block totals? Like 7.7 bpg average in 1969...
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[QUOTE=dankok8][B]Can you post the source for these block averages?
[/B]
Heck NBAstats has block tallies from some games listed as estimates but then counts them in another document.[/QUOTE]
Both the LA Herald Examiner and the Long Beach Press Examiner.
And no, I don't question those at nbastats.net. They have access to Google News Archives, as well as MANY other sources.
And no, I didn't include ANY of his "estimates"...although even some of them claim things like "at least 20 blocks." BTW, he likely had a MASSIVE QUAD DOUBLE on 3/24/67...his "estimated" blocks were 20, and recaps in other sources have had him with around that number, or a 16 point, 30 reb, 19 asst, 20 blk game.
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I'm sure at the score keepers table they were able to use the many tv monitors available to watch replays and see if Wilt actually blocked a shot.
Maybe they watched the replay on the jumbo-tron above??
Or maybe he just guessed and said F*ck it.....it was a block, go Wilt!!
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Elgin Baylor averaged 28 rebounds per game, go watch the footage and count them if you doubt.
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[QUOTE=Hey Yo]I'm sure at the score keepers table they were able to use the many tv monitors available to watch replays and see if Wilt actually blocked a shot.
Maybe they watched the replay on the jumbo-tron above??
Or maybe he just guessed and said F*ck it.....it was a block, go Wilt!![/QUOTE]
Actually that was what happened in Shaq's "15 Block" game.
[url]https://lamarmatic.com/2015/08/19/an-unnecessary-breakdown-of-the-shaky-15-blocks-by-shaq/[/url]
MAYBE 10 blocks, and more likely only 8.
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[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Actually that was what happened in Shaq's "15 Block" game.
[url]https://lamarmatic.com/2015/08/19/an-unnecessary-breakdown-of-the-shaky-15-blocks-by-shaq/[/url]
MAYBE 10 blocks, and more likely only 8.[/QUOTE]
Would you mind linking up full game footage from the game below so I can break the game down when I get time?
[QUOTE]BTW, Wilt likely had a MASSIVE QUAD DOUBLE on 3/24/67...his "estimated" blocks were 20, and recaps in other sources have had him with around that number, or a 16 point, 30 reb, 19 asst, 20 blk game.[/QUOTE]
Thanks
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[QUOTE=Hey Yo]Would you mind linking up full game footage from the game below so I can break the game down when I get time?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Sure. If you can provide me footage of all 271 of Chamberlain's 40+ point NBA games. Hell, give me full footage from just ONE.
BTW, SI confirmed that Wilt blocked 23 shots in a NATIONALLY TELEVISED game on 12/25/68.
[url]http://www.si.com/vault/1969/01/27/559068/on-topbut-in-trouble[/url]
[QUOTE]So the Lakers walk the ball up the court, get arranged and then, as VBK says, start "to grind it out." The Lakers do not often make 100 points now. "Defense is the thing we're really living on," van Breda Kolff admits, and Chamberlain has been superb, sometimes even awesome, on defense. [B]In a recent game on national television he [COLOR="DarkRed"]blocked[/COLOR] [COLOR="DarkRed"]23 shots[/COLOR] against Phoenix[/B].[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=dankok8]Ya I misread it. They had four games labelled as a "finals game".[/QUOTE]
BTW, I have said it before...
While you and I disagree on many points, I do respect your opinions. You do your research. You are one of the few here that does.
Re: Chamberlain with 21 KNOWN Playoff Triple Doubles
For those that are late to the party...
[QUOTE]1. 3/22/62... 56 pts, 35 rebs, 12 blks Game 5 of 5 game series
2. 4/5/62... 22 pts, 22 rebs, 12 blks Game 7
3. 4/16/64... 39 pts, 30 rebs, 12 blks. Game 7
4. 3/26/65... 30 pts, 15 rebs, 10 asts
5. 3/31/65... 38 pts, 26 rebs, 10 blks Clincher
6. 4/4/65.... 33 pts, 31 rebs, 11 blks
7. 4/13/65... 30 pts, 26 rebs, 13 blks
8. 3/22/67... 37 pts, 27 rebs, 11 asts
9. 3/24/67... 16 pts, 30 rebs, 19 asts
10. 3/31/67... 24 pts, 32 rebs, 13 asts, 12 blks (quad-double)
11. 4/9/67.... 20 pts, 22 rebs, 10 asts
12. 4/11/67...29 pts, 36 rebs, 13 asts Clincher
13. 4/14/67... 16 pts, 33 rebs, 10 asts
14. 4/16/67... 10 pts, 38 rebs, 10 asts, 10 blks (quad-double)
15. 4/20/69... 16 pts, 29 rebs, 16 blks
16. 4/23/69... 15 pts, 23 rebs, 13 blks
17. 5/5/69... 18 pts, 27 rebs, 10 blks Game 7
18. 4/5/70.... 36 pts, 14 rebs, 10 blks
19. 4/7/70.... 12 pts, 26 rebs, 11 asts, 11 blks (quad-double)
20. 4/9/70.... 30 pts, 27 rebs, 12 blks Game 7
21. 4/19/70... 11 pts, 21 rebs, 10 blks Clincher
22. 3/30/71... 12 pts, 23 rebs, 10 blks
23. 4/22/72... 20 pts, 24 rebs, 10 blks Clincher (and against KAJ)
24. 5/7/72.... 24 pts, 29 rebs, 10 blks * (CavsFTW with 8) Clincher
25. 4/8/73... 11 pts, 30 rebs, 12 blks[/QUOTE]
9 triple doubles with 30+ points, including an unfathomable 56-35-12 game.
15 triple doubles with at least 20 points.
9 triple doubles with at least 30+ rebounds, with a high of 38.
23 triple doubles with at least 20+ rebounds.
13 triple doubles of at least 20 points and 20 rebounds.
3 triple doubles of at least 30 points and 30 rebounds.
5 triple doubles in "at the limit" games (4 in game seven's and another in a game five of a best-of-five series.)
9 triple doubles in series clinching games.
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If we are to trust these unofficial stats by the way, Bill Russell has 17 playoff triple double games. That's behind Wilt's 25 but not that much and we know Russell's defense was about a lot more than blocked shots.
Russell also had a few games where he had double digit blocks but didn't get double digit points! :lol