Where would you put LeBron James on the all time list? Honest answers, please.

[QUOTE=Overdrive]The reality is that accomplishments' novelty wears off after time. Players are only ranked accurately after they're retired.[/QUOTE]

Jerry West's legacy is pretty bad, so LeBron is going to drop like a rock 10 years from now. All those finals losses on his resume are going to look terrible. He won't be Jerry West level, but he'll likely be ranked closer to Wilt.

Fringe top 10.

Media likes to overhype longevity stats. Players/coaches see him for the team hopping quitter that he is.

I have him in the top 15 currently, but honestly he might slip if he continues being exposed on the Lakers.

I just don't see much to separate Lebron from guys like Jerry West or Karl Malone.

[QUOTE=bullettooth]Jerry West's legacy is pretty bad, so LeBron is going to drop like a rock 10 years from now. All those finals losses on his resume are going to look terrible. He won't be Jerry West level, but he'll likely be ranked closer to Wilt.[/QUOTE]

I don't like Lebron, but the guy has 3 FMVPs and 4 MVPs. Not compareable to West.

[QUOTE=zeerghit]so u can put lets say top50, numbers is getting inflated, i really dont know is this correct word im saying but i think u get the point?[/QUOTE]

No there are things like variance and standard deviation if you have enough data. 1 vote can't skew a poll of 50 votes.

[QUOTE=Overdrive]I don't like Lebron, but the guy has 3 FMVPs and 4 MVPs. Not compareable to West.[/QUOTE]

Did you read my full comment?

After 63 votes:

total points: 477
average: 7.57


goat and not top 15 votes excluded:

votes: 41
total points: 268
average: 6.54


So far... LeBron is still number 7ish.

[QUOTE=bullettooth]Did you read my full comment?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but how is being in Wilt territory(top 5) dropping like a rock and you made the argument by saying West's legacy is pretty bad.

[QUOTE=elementally morale]After 63 votes:

total points: 477
average: 7.57


goat and not top 15 votes excluded:

votes: 41
total points: 268
average: 6.54


So far... LeBron is still number 7ish.[/QUOTE]


take away simons votes and he's out of the top 10

:lol

[QUOTE=Overdrive]Yeah, but how is being in Wilt territory(top 5) dropping like a rock and you made the argument by saying West's legacy is pretty bad.[/QUOTE]

If you consider LeBron now as #1 (which he's not) or even at #2 which I don't think he is but for the sake of the argument, let's say he is... going from #2 to #5 or so certainly is significant RELATIVE to the first 5-10 spots.

LeBron's legacy WILL take a hit. He won't be remembered as anything but the guy that kept losing but lucked out with a few rings.

Wilt is 2/6
LeBron is 3/9
West is 1/8

He's the best of the three... but that's where he's going to sit when the dust settles.

He is 100% top 5 and possibly top 3.

[COLOR=Teal][B]An as athlete he's top-5 alltime, skills-wise I'd say top 25. Mentally/intangibles, hard to pinpoint but he's definitely not top-15. I'd rank him 10th alltime.
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[QUOTE=kennethgriffen]take away simons votes and he's out of the top 10

:lol[/QUOTE]


Actually, he is not.

If I take away all goat votes and keep the rest the same:

54 votes
482 points
average: 8.93

So 9th.


With all votes counted so far.

65 votes
493 points
average: 7.58


7th or 8th place on ISH. Best is 6th. Worst is 9th.

Top 15 consensus. You could make a case for borderline Top 10 but that's about it.

OP, gotta make the votes public, so we see were everyone stands, not hiding behind that keyboard.

And here I thought he was the unanimous GOAT...poor Lebron stans, its going downhill quick lately for your guy...

[QUOTE=Overdrive]Kobe was top10 in 2010. Now you guys argue he's #12 and falling. The player who passed him when he was considered 7-10ish? Lebron. 1 guy.

The reality is that accomplishments' novelty wears off after time. Players are only ranked accurately after they're retired.[/QUOTE]
2 guys had success after 2010 in the arguable top 10. Lebron and Duncan and with that Kobe's place was always polarizing due to the Shaq rings, so in his case it's not much of a surprise is it? Weighing his 2nd option rings always has been a murky task.