Put DeMar DeRozan with the 1993-94 Chicago Bulls?

[QUOTE=32jazz;14000111]So you're saying that Pete Myers is the scorer they needed & should have stuck with him when Harper was virtually free?:oldlol:. Again Derek Harper had played off the ball in Dallas & put up 18/6(16 per) & could be a combo guard. Especially in the Triangle.

1)NBA Finals Game 7: Harper led the Knicks with 23 pts/ 6 assts/ 2 stls. 8/16 shooting & 2/5 from 3. Harper's 4th 20 point game in the Finals(Starks' 2nd 2-18 shooting night)


2)Harper put up 16.4/6 /3/ 2.5 steals . No one else was close to Harpers 59%(ts) & 56%(efg). Only 2 ppg behind the leading scorer


Bulls take away the thin Knicks ( Doc Rivers injury ) depth with signing Harper & you're not stuck with an offensive non factor like Myers that defenses ignore. The Bulls didn't need 20ppg from Harper. But he could have been a respected threat & a more nicely balanced scoring team.[/QUOTE]

Meanwhile Myers was a 0 on offense. :lol

[QUOTE=aceman;13999684]Just pointing out Bulls of that era didn't have conventional positions[/QUOTE]
Neither did the Lakers under Phil. Certainly wasn't the case with Fisher & Smush Parker.


The Bulls could have been a well balanced / good defensive team:

Pipoen- 22ppg

Grant-14/15 ppg

BJ- 13/14pg

Harper 13/14 ppg

Kukoc- 9/10 ppg


And Derek Harper being able to step up & give you the 20 plus points like he did with great effiecncy, in 4 games, of the NBA Finals. Including game 7 .

I think realistically a Prime Derozan and Pippen are capable of winning an nba title in 1994. Demar would beast in the no zone defense era. His lack of 3 points erange was the sole reason why Demar Derozan ain't a top 5 shooting guard in this league.

Derozan & Pip were both choke artists :lol

it will be the most pathetic playoff team ever

[QUOTE=Lebron23;13919321]Do they win the championship? Derozan's best statistical season in his career. Bulls won 55 games with Pete Myers replacing Jordan.[/QUOTE]

Yeah they would've probably won that year. Obviously they would've beaten the Knicks.

They dont. Derozan has mental problems and gives up easily, thats not going to work at crunch time.

They would win 5 straight titles. Come on... Make some more smart threads.

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;13997275]The Bulls would get worse with DeRozan in place of Pete Myers? That is crazy.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying Chicago would be worse, but what is their ceiling? DeRozan is a terrible defender. And would he survive the triangle offense? Ron Harper went from being a 20+ PPG scorer to basically being Pete Myers. And at least Harper could play defense. So I'm not sure DeRozan automatically makes them a championship team.

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14177693]I'm not saying Chicago would be worse, but what is their ceiling? DeRozan is a terrible defender. And would he survive the triangle offense? Ron Harper went from being a 20+ PPG scorer to basically being Pete Myers. And at least Harper could play defense. So I'm not sure DeRozan automatically makes them a championship team.[/QUOTE]

DeRozan was on the Raptors when they had a top 5 defense. In fact, the Raptors had the 5th ranked defense with DeRozan in 2018 and they traded him for superior defender Kawhi Leonard and they still had the 5th ranked defense in 2019.

DeMar would be fine defensively with Pippen and Horace Grant anchoring the defense (Grant at the time was one of the best defensive bigs in the league).

What that Bulls team needed was more firepower.

Myers was inconsequential - on the team mostly because he was Pippen's best friend.

Harper was a good player but he was never an All-Star, obviously.

DeRozan is a much more natural scorer than Ron Harper. He has proven that he can score in any offense. He's also a more natural star. His game is actually a lot like Michael Jordan's, so I see no reason why he wouldn't do well under Phil Jackson.

One of the things Jackson stresses with the triangle offense is a basic skill like footwork and DeRozan has excellent footwork, for example. The triangle also takes a bit of intelligence and DeMar is considered an intelligent player (he actually runs a basketball IQ clinic with Spalding).

The Bulls would've improved dramatically with DeRozan in the fold.

Demar would pull the defense out and make Pippen a co-MVP alongside him.

96 Bulls would be close to the dream team in terms of how good they'd be offensively.

Defensively I'd give them the notch as well

[QUOTE=light;14177737]DeRozan was on the Raptors when they had a top 5 defense. In fact, the Raptors had the 5th ranked defense with DeRozan in 2018 and they traded him for superior defender Kawhi Leonard and they still had the 5th ranked defense in 2019.

DeMar would be fine defensively with Pippen and Horace Grant anchoring the defense (Grant at the time was one of the best defensive bigs in the league).

What that Bulls team needed was more firepower.

Myers was inconsequential - on the team mostly because he was Pippen's best friend.

Harper was a good player but he was never an All-Star, obviously.

DeRozan is a much more natural scorer than Ron Harper. He has proven that he can score in any offense. He's also a more natural star. His game is actually a lot like Michael Jordan's, so I see no reason why he wouldn't do well under Phil Jackson.

One of the things Jackson stresses with the triangle offense is a basic skill like footwork and DeRozan has excellent footwork, for example. The triangle also takes a bit of intelligence and DeMar is considered an intelligent player (he actually runs a basketball IQ clinic with Spalding).

The Bulls would've improved dramatically with DeRozan in the fold.[/QUOTE]

Most of what you said is spot on. DeRozan does have good footwork and that is to his credit. For that reason, he might excel in the triangle.

Defensively, though, he's a liability. And Toronto may have maintained a #5 ranking. But to equate them year to year would be equating DeRozan to Kawhi defensively, and the two just aren't on the same level.

In addition, the Spurs went from 3rd in Drtg to 19th. So it doesn't really pan out both ways.

Having said that, there's no reason to think he wouldn't play better than Myers and Harper, due to offensive reasons you mentioned.

Demar is not a very impactful basketball player. His volume scoring stats are simply the result of getting a lot of touches. His efficiency in the playoffs is terrible (50.3 %TS for his career) and he barely does anything other than score the ball. My Raps after Demar (and without Kawhi) are still as good as they were with Demar. And Spurs didn't get better with him.

[QUOTE=dankok8;14177754]Demar is not a very impactful basketball player. His volume scoring stats are simply the result of getting a lot of touches. His efficiency in the playoffs is terrible (50.3 %TS for his career) and he barely does anything other than score the ball. My Raps after Demar (and without Kawhi) are still as good as they were with Demar. And Spurs didn't get better with him.[/QUOTE]

Yea but the question is if you put DeRozan on the 1993-94 Bulls, how high is their ceiling? My guess is higher than where they finished, but I still think Hakeem wins the chip.

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14178090]Yea but the question is if you put DeRozan on the 1993-94 Bulls, how high is their ceiling? My guess is higher than where they finished, but I still think Hakeem wins the chip.[/QUOTE]

Pippen averaged 21 on 40% in the 94' ECSF as 1st option - would he get that next to derozan?.. would they have good chemistry or would pippen turn into complete garbage like he did next to Hakeem/Barkley in 99' (who are obviously much better than derozan)

Here's the reality... Hakeem's Rockets were trash in 94' because Ewing almost beat them with 18 on 35%... so MJ replacing pippen easily wins the chip that year... Otoh, the 95' Rockets were for real with Drexler and had the toughest ring ever based on opponent SRS.. they swept shaq's magic just like the 96' Bulls

[QUOTE=3ball;14178114]Pippen averaged 21 on 40% in the 94' ECSF as 1st option - would he get that next to derozan?.. would they have good chemistry or would pippen turn into complete garbage like he did next to Hakeem/Barkley in 99' (who are obviously much better than derozan)

Here's the reality... Hakeem's Rockets were trash in 94' because Ewing almost beat them with 18 on 35%... so MJ replacing pippen easily wins the chip that year... Otoh, the 95' Rockets were for real with Drexler and had the toughest ring ever based on opponent SRS.. they swept shaq's magic just like the 96' Bulls[/QUOTE]

But MJ could barely win a series without Pippen. Pip was responsible for too many things that Jordan didn't do. And Pip EMPHASIZED teamwork and selflessness. That's why the Bulls were better with Pippen at the helm versus Jordan who struggled with trusting his teammates. It's why a solo Jordan team was relatively easy to defend - you always knew what the Bulls offense was going to do.