"Pippen was the best player in the world in 93, 94, 95" - Dennis Rodman

DAMN. First Scottie says LeBron was the GOAT and now Rodman saying the Pippen was the best in 93/94/95

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Just to add on as to What Jackson said Jordan felt about Pip during the 92 Olympics. Here is Chuck Dalys quote
I remember talking to the late Chuck Daly after that 1992 Dream Team and Daly raving about Pippen. Daly said he knew Pippen was a potential MVP candidate type player, but said Pippen was the best player on the 1992 team. “I know Michael’s the best player, but Pippen was the best player on that team,” admired Daly.
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nba.com/amp/bulls/history/pippenhof_smith_100812.html[/url]

Now again, I ask. What benefit did Daly have by saying that? Mind you, his own player Isiah Thomas was blackballed off that team.

Heres what it boils down to. As far as stats? Pippen was solid. But impact and winning? Very few did it better.

It's why Russell was always ranked higher than Chamberlain.

I honestly feel that had Pippen been a little more selfish and maybe payed more attention to his stats as opposed to winning, he'd be respected by all of these people on here that knock him.

Russell was definitely a good team leader during his days.

[QUOTE=tpols;13974094]he also couldnt shoot like him.

Kawhi has been damn near 50/40/90 at times.

dont think there's ever been a DPOY candidate that can shoot like that. Pippen certainly couldn't, [B]his jumper was dead broke.[/B][/QUOTE]
He was famous for his bankshot. If you watched him you would know that his shooting ability was fine, especially for his era. The three wasn't mandatory back then. All of the best scorers did their damage on twos.

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;13973815]Exactly.

SamuariSwish, Jordan himself said Pippen was the best player in the NBA in 1995.

For me Pippen peaked at 3rd in 94' behind Hakeem and Robinson. In 95' he fell to 4th as Shaq surpassed him. 96' 5th as MJ was back. 97' 5th again. 98', 92' he wasn't top 5 but was close. 91' top 10.

Yet we have people like 3ball saying he was Mo Williams or others saying Kyrie Irving was much better. He was a legitimate superstar, a MVP caliber player. He was similar to Ewing or Drexler at their peaks--players MJ stans love to tell us were great.

People don't realize how hard it is to be the best player. Guys like Barkley, K. Malone, KG, Dirk, West, Oscar, Isiah, Dr. J, D. Robinson all never got to #1. Many legends don't even get into the top 5. Reggie Miller or Dominique were never close to the top 5.[/QUOTE]

People forget how good he was during the first 2/3rds of the 96 season before injuries started piling up. He refused to sit, though, as they were going for the record. He was really beat up in the 96 playoffs, but ironically, led the entire playoffs in BPM. With someone like Pippen you can't just look at individual stats. He just made his teammates better and made the game easier for them and you can't qualify that in something like individual scoring. He has one of the greatest BBIQ's ever and just understood the game so well. There are plenty of players who scored a ton of points, but whose actual impact didn't come close to his. Someone like Carmelo Anthony comes to mind there. As far as being the best player... I'd say you can easily make a case for Kevin Garnett being the best player in 2004. He led the league in bpm, vorp, winshares, per and had a ridiculous 20.2 on/off. I'm curious as to who you think was better than him that season? He was super dominant that season and most of the guys in discussion in the early 2000s didn't have great seasons compared to what they had before.

[QUOTE=FireDavidKahn;13974199]DAMN. First Scottie says LeBron was the GOAT and now Rodman saying the Pippen was the best in 93/94/95

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You do realize that that's basically MJ's retirement and rusty half-season?

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;13974229]You do realize that that's basically MJ's retirement and rusty half-season?[/QUOTE]

Yes, exactly. MJ had the benefit of having the best player in the league (best for 3 years) playing next to him for his career. This peak just shows you how good Pippen really was.

[QUOTE=FireDavidKahn;13974232]Yes, exactly. MJ had the benefit of having the best player in the league (best for 3 years) playing next to him for his career. This peak just shows you how good Pippen really was.[/QUOTE]
One of the best, sure. Better than Olajuwon? Better than Shaq? Nonsense.

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH;13973726]Umm no. Not even close in 1993. Wasn't even the best player at his own position that season. Old, post achilles tear Domonique Wilkins had a MONSTER season. Had a huge down year following the Olympics. Mike at 30 had to pick up his slack. Part of the reason they only won 57 games that year, besides pacing themselves.

1993

1) MJ
2) Barkley
3) Hakeem
4) Ewing
5) Nique

1994

1) Hakeem
2) D-Rob
3) IMO Shaq
4) Pippen
5) Ewing

1995

1) D-Rob
2) Hakeem
3) Shaq
4) K. Malone
5) Ewing

He's not even close in 1995 either. Hell, Mike came out of retirement / baseball for 1.75 years, and in only 17 games he CLEARLY was already the Bulls absolute best player.

Highest he EVER got on the MVP / Best Player ladder, is 3 or 4 depending how you rank him in the much praised 1994 season. Until that semis series against NY really exposed him yet again, in terms of being an alpha and a scorer. Much as it did the year prior, even with Jordan on the floor.[/QUOTE]

Right on the money! NO WAY was Pippen the best player AT ANY POINT in the league!!! The PF's and C's DOMINATED the top 5 players in the league at this time. It took a player on MJ's caliber to SUPERCEDE the guys like Dream, Shaq, Malone, Chuck, Ewing, and David. Once MJ bowed out for a while, NO perimeter players were gonna take the top slot. The bigs I named were too dominant. Pip as great as he was didn't have the alpha dog scoring ability TO BE the top player on the planet.

Pip was the MOST COMPLETE perimeter player in the world once MJ retired. So once Nique and Drexler regressed a bit, it enabled Pip to become the best perimeter player on in the world. But u GOTTA be a legit alpha dog to be the best player in the world though. Pip was the ultimate swiss army knife no doubt. And I give him credit, he redefined the 3 spot. Was the blueprint that G Hill and Bron built their games off of in the point forward sense. But Pip was NEVER the best player on the planet. Best all around AND the best player are two different things sometimes!

[QUOTE=bizil;13974244]Right on the money! NO WAY was Pippen the best player AT ANY POINT in the league!!! The PF's and C's DOMINATED the top 5 players in the league at this time. It took a player on MJ's caliber to SUPERCEDE the guys like Dream, Shaq, Malone, Chuck, Ewing, and David. Once MJ bowed out for a while, NO perimeter players were gonna take the top slot. The bigs I named were too dominant. Pip as great as he was didn't have the alpha dog scoring ability TO BE the top player on the planet.

Pip was the MOST COMPLETE perimeter player in the world in the two way sense once MJ retired. So once Nique and Drexler regressed a bit, it enabled Pip to become the best perimeter player on in the world. But u GOTTA be a legit alpha dog to be the best player in the world though. Pip was the ultimate swiss army knife no doubt. But NEVER was the best player on the planet.[/QUOTE]

Dream had a fast peak, but lost in the first round like 9 times. Shaq didnt win shit until Goatbe in 2000. Ewing never won a damn thing. Drexler. Wow I just dont know anymore.

[QUOTE=Rico2016;13974246]Dream had a fast peak[/QUOTE]
Are you capable of posting something other than garbage?

[QUOTE=tpols;13974094]he also couldnt shoot like him.

Kawhi has been damn near 50/40/90 at times.

dont think there's ever been a DPOY candidate that can shoot like that. Pippen certainly couldn't, his jumper was dead broke.[/QUOTE]

Pippen wasn't as great as Kawhi offensively, ofcourse, but he played a in a tougher era. It isnt fair to compare the 2nd 3peat Pippen with a Kawhi who cant be hanchecked and plays with as much spacing as he does.

Pippen improved his 3 point shooting by the 2nd 3peat. He was streaky but when it went down, he was a threat.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;13974249]Are you capable of posting something other than garbage?[/QUOTE]
I seriously doubt lol.

He was never close. Iguodala with a post game would never be close to the best player in the league specially since Pip was nowhere as clutch as Iggy in big moments and often faltered and checked out/folded
Migraine.., Scottie?

Hakeem was easily the best player in that span and it's not close. It's a 3 year run only matched by MJ and Shaq

Players better than Pip in mid 90s

Hakeem
Robinson
Malone
Barkley
Ewing
Shaq
Payton
Stockton

Dudes like Grant, Penny, Zo peaked higher than Pip as well. Pip was a KJ/Mullin level player at best

In 94 Pips peak year as a player when he was supposedly an MVP contender, they were gonna go down 3-0 to the Knicks until Phil Jackson gave Toni Kukoc the last shot with Pip pouting on the bench like a little bitch and Toni won it with Pip crying like a ho and was a much more clutch player offensively than Pip in general. He hit so many game winners in the mid 90s and clutch shots specially the non MJ years. Toni had the 2nd best offensive skillset on the team behind Michael obviously

Oh and in that Knicks series Ewing was easily the best player and Pip wasn't even the best Chicago Bull of the series. He was outplayed by Horace Grant:roll::roll::hammerhead: