Lebron hasn't been all-defense in 7 years

[QUOTE=Ainosterhaspie;14166298]LeBron played with the poor man's Rodman winning a title with him in 2016. I'm happy to give him full props because he did his job well. They probably couldn't have won without him. Having Rodman would have been even better.[/QUOTE]

Yeah probably. Im assuming your talking about Tristan thompson or maybe your talking about love. Im not sure how effective rod would be in this era. He was a very physical defender. He wouldn't be able to defend that way now. He'd also be out defending on the perimeter more so he probably wouldn't get as many boards.

[QUOTE=72-10;14166299]LeBron is an overrated defender who didn't even deserve all of the All-Defensive nods that he got.[/QUOTE]

This is wrong.

Patrick Beverly got all D this year and LeBron is 100% superior defensive player than Beverly for 2020. Lakers were top 3 defensive team. All the numbers prove it.

He deserved more All D teams.

[QUOTE=8Ball;14166338]This is wrong.

Patrick Beverly got all D this year and LeBron is 100% superior defensive player than Beverly for 2020. Lakers were top 3 defensive team. All the numbers prove it.

He deserved more All D teams.[/QUOTE]

Yes and no. When he tries he's better. He coasts alot during the reg season although this year wasn't as bad. I thought he could of got a defensive team this year. No chance he deserved one in the last few years Pryor though.

Between 2009-2014 all of LeBron's teams were elite defensively. Lakers were monstrous defensively.

So Bron got shafted out of 2020 all D team.

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14166315]Rodmam definitely wasn't elite in in 98. He was still a great rebounder but he had a career low in pts and didnt make a defensive team. Yeah he got like 2 votes for dpoy but he was nowhere near winning it. Mookie Blaylock had more votes lol.

And pip wasn't elite either. He also had a career low in points in the playoffs. Mj nearly scored 20 more points a game. They were both still very good but they weren't elite. Its funny how bron stans will use stats as why bron is the goat but they totally ignore it when looking at pip.[/QUOTE]

Scoring was down for everybody as the pace slowed. Stockton and Hornacek put up 20 PPG combined in the same series MJ fans complain about Pippen/Kukoc scoring 31 PPG.

Pippen missed half the season and made all-NBA anyway. :lol That is something only elite players do (Kyrie couldn't do it when he was hurt in 16').

If Rodman didn't limit Malone, the Jazz would have won.

[QUOTE=8Ball;14166352]Between 2009-2014 all of LeBron's teams were elite defensively. Lakers were monstrous defensively.

So Bron got shafted out of 2020 all D team.[/QUOTE]

Pretty sure bron waa all defense from 2009-14 and i agree who could of been all defense this year. Thats 1 year he got overlooked and its still questionable. Bron wasnt elite defensively all year. Sometimes he was engaged sometimes he wasn't. Yeah when engaged he's as good as anyone but its a regular season award. Bron didn't play consistent d until playoffs

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14166278]His teams definitely weren't stacked. Rod was 35 and like 3 years outside of his last all star year. He was still a great defender and rebounder but he only scored 6 points a game or so. I can only imagine how much bron stans would devalue rod if he was on brons team. Mj stans do the same though and both are idiots tbh. Towards the last chip both rod and pip were shells of themselves. Rod was no longer one of the best defenders in the league and pips back hampered his play on both ends. Mj carried that 1998 team which is something bron stans like to ignore.[/QUOTE]
Pippen lead the Bulls starters in rebounds, assists , steals and blocks in the 98 postseason

But let's act like MJ did all the work and carried a bunch of carcasses :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=And1AllDay;14166323]72-10
boiiii you are hurting off 73-9

:roll::roll::oldlol:[/QUOTE]

the '96 Bulls would beat that Warriors team

[QUOTE=LonelyOwl;14166366]Pippen lead the Bulls starters in rebounds, assists , steals and blocks in the 98 postseason

But let's act like MJ did all the work and carried a bunch of carcasses :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Look at the little help MJ had according to this real-time reporting:

[URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?475176-AD-is-shedding-light-on-Kareem-s-career-amp-ranking-imo-(new-all-time-rankings-inside)&p=14154937&viewfull=1#post14154937"]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?475176-AD-is-shedding-light-on-Kareem-s-career-amp-ranking-imo-(new-all-time-rankings-inside)&p=14154937&viewfull=1#post14154937[/URL]

How did Mike overcome this? :bowdown:

[QUOTE=72-10;14166299]LeBron is an overrated defender who didn't even deserve all of the All-Defensive nods that he got.[/QUOTE]
You ranked Kobe & West as better defenders than Duncan & Wilt, invalidating your opinion on the subject

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14166374]Look at the little help MJ had according to this real-time reporting:

[URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?475176-AD-is-shedding-light-on-Kareem-s-career-amp-ranking-imo-(new-all-time-rankings-inside)&p=14154937&viewfull=1#post14154937"]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?475176-AD-is-shedding-light-on-Kareem-s-career-amp-ranking-imo-(new-all-time-rankings-inside)&p=14154937&viewfull=1#post14154937[/URL]

How did Mike overcome this? :bowdown:[/QUOTE]

People merely fake compliment pippen's hustle and glue guy/role player stuff because they couldn't compliment his offense.. it was a silent, intuitive agreement.. "oh yes, pippen, well what can you say.." and then they mention a bunch of hustle, glue guy stuff

Again, if "defense" was an argument, then AD could've scored like Pippen and the Lakers win, since AD is a better defender than pippen. But we all know the Lakers would lose in the 1st round if AD scored like Pippen.

Defense only enters the equation when a player is so bad that he prevents a top defense.. aka guys like Curry and Kyrie were on #1 defenses so they pass the test.. defense is truly a team effort, so the defense argument is a non-factor

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14166360]Scoring was down for everybody as the pace slowed. Stockton and Hornacek put up 20 PPG combined in the same series MJ fans complain about Pippen/Kukoc scoring 31 PPG.

Pippen missed half the season and made all-NBA anyway. :lol That is something only elite players do (Kyrie couldn't do it when he was hurt in 16').

If Rodman didn't limit Malone, the Jazz would have won.[/QUOTE]

Well pip missed half the season because of the same back that kept him from being elite in the playoffs. Yeah he was obviously still great but it definitely wasn't one of his better years. Bulls had a pretty good record for those game pip missed too btw.

As far as rodman limiting rodman it was miniscule. Karl was still like 26/10 or something which was right around his normal numbers that year. I wouldn't argue that without rod they dont win but that can be said for anybody losing there 3rd best player.

[QUOTE]Well pip missed half the season because of the same back that kept him from being elite in the playoffs.[/QUOTE]

He injured his foot in the final game of the ECF. That is what he had surgery for.

[QUOTE]Bulls had a pretty good record for those game pip missed too btw.[/QUOTE]

Yup, the 98' Bulls w/out Pippen=the 94' Bulls w/out MJ. MJ fans want to tout the former but not the latter. You can't pick and choose. :oldlol: If anything, it is harder to do it for a full season. In the short term players can step up, like Rodman did because he knew he had to do more.

[QUOTE]As far as rodman limiting rodman it was miniscule. Karl was still like 26/10 or something which was right around his normal numbers that year. [/QUOTE]

Check his efficiency. Malone put up good top line numbers but his efficiency declined a ton compared to his normal level, especially in 97'. He went from something like 60% TS to 49% in the finals.

Don't forget Kukoc. You all love Miller and Kukoc outplayed him in the ECF and Game 7. 4th option vs. a 1st.

Op completely bamboozled again lol

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14166396]He injured his foot in the final game of the ECF. That is what he had surgery for.



Yup, the 98' Bulls w/out Pippen=the 94' Bulls w/out MJ. MJ fans want to tout the former but not the latter. You can't pick and choose. :oldlol: If anything, it is harder to do it for a full season. In the short term players can step up, like Rodman did because he knew he had to do more.



Check his efficiency. Malone put up good top line numbers but his efficiency declined a ton compared to his normal level, especially in 97'. He went from something like 60% TS to 49% in the finals.

Don't forget Kukoc. You all love Miller and Kukoc outplayed him in the ECF and Game 7. 4th option vs. a 1st.[/QUOTE]

Its widely known pips back was busted in 98. He surgery for it after the playoffs [url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1998-07-29-9807290345-story,amp.html[/url]

Cant compare seasons because as you say it wasnt a whole season for mj but what your saying dosnt make sense. Without pip the bull actually struggled out the gate. Once they figured it out it was smooth sailing as usual.

And karl malone wasnt way less efficient at all. He was 53% for the reg season and 50 in the finals. His average for the playoffs were usually below 50% so there wasn't much change at all really. Your just making shit up on that one.