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Re: So California has mandatory lockdowns, mask wearing, and closures
[QUOTE=n00bie;14217384][B]I dont know why everyones complaining.[/B] There were only 2 options and we chose this.
It was either a full china style lockdown or a prolonged half ass lockdown.
China style lockdown would have taken our freedoms away for a month. This is better right?[/QUOTE]
Trillions of wealth is being transferred via DC to special interests, freedom is deemed non essential, tens of millions of healthy people have been effectively placed on house arrest indefinitely, QOL has declined for tens of millions, millions of children have lost a year of school, millions of people have had medical appointments/surgeries canceled, we've destroyed our society, and small businesses are being slaughtered. Half of black owned small businesses will be closed forever due to the gov't. Honestly, outside of being completely clueless, I don't know why everyone's not complaining.
Stop believing China's lockdowns (Wuhan) did jack shit other than make other western countries copy them (starting w/ Italy). Magic scarecrows in Cambodia were far more successful than China. Cambodia has had zero deaths and they used magic scarecrows. Even Uganda did better than China and they don't social distance or "full Wuhan-style" BS either.
The only way a lockdown would have worked in the US is if they did a 100% lockdown starting September 2019 and from there let literally 0 people into the country. Impossible.
[url]https://twitter.com/T_Inglesby/status/1224105162756616192[/url]
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Re: So California has mandatory lockdowns, mask wearing, and closures
[QUOTE=n00bie;14217590]This is the world we live in. Deal with it or move into one of those 3rd world countries where Cleverness claims has no covid.[/QUOTE]
I never claimed they have no Covid.
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Re: So California has mandatory lockdowns, mask wearing, and closures
[QUOTE=8Ball;14217951]You would have a civil war if Trump did that.
Don't get it twisted. Doing what it took to really shut down corona was far and above what the public would have [B]accepted back in March[/B].[/QUOTE]
That’s on you freedom loving spoiled ass westerners. The rest of the world knows the health of society far outweigh the rights and inconveniences of the few.
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Re: So California has mandatory lockdowns, mask wearing, and closures
[QUOTE=pew;14217958]That’s on you freedom loving spoiled ass westerners. The rest of the world knows the health of society far outweigh the rights and inconveniences of the few.[/QUOTE]
Freedom? We don't even have the freedom to assemble 2 people for lunch at Brent's Deli here in California. Even "red states" like Texas and Florida are less free now than 2019 Commiefornia. :lol
Anyways, [url]https://twitter.com/T_Inglesby/status/1224105162756616192[/url], everyone knew back in February that the disease would not be stopped. The question is: what do you think the US should have done in April? And should the US have torn down their field hospitals and Navy ships sail away?
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Re: So California has mandatory lockdowns, mask wearing, and closures
[QUOTE=pew;14217958]That’s on you freedom loving spoiled ass westerners. The rest of the world knows the health of society far outweigh the rights and inconveniences of the few.[/QUOTE]
Hating on westerners is the epitome of idiocy.
It's a flu and the numbers a majorly doctored to promote further transfer of wealth to the elite class. Keep living in ignorant hate, chump.
IN fact society would be far healthier if we acquired herd immunity by everyone going out.
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Re: So California has mandatory lockdowns, mask wearing, and closures
[QUOTE=8Ball;14217939]China took stadiums and forcefully threw people into those stadiums and made them stay there for weeks. Literally abducting them from their homes because they were in "contact" with infected people.
What do you think would happen if Trump used the military to round up people, throw them in vans, and housed them in stadiums during March?[/QUOTE]
These crazy measures worked but people here refuse to believe it because they dont want it to happen here.
So instead we have a dying economy for a full year. China has been fully reopened for months already.
Oh but of course they are "lying".
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Re: So California has mandatory lockdowns, mask wearing, and closures
[QUOTE=Cleverness;14218011]Freedom? We don't even have the freedom to assemble 2 people for lunch at Brent's Deli here in California. Even "red states" like Texas and Florida are less free now than 2019 Commiefornia. :lol
Anyways, [url]https://twitter.com/T_Inglesby/status/1224105162756616192[/url], everyone knew back in February that the disease would not be stopped. The question is: what do you think the US should have done in April? And should the US have torn down their field hospitals and Navy ships sail away?[/QUOTE]
Even if the death rate is low, our govt will keep us locked down. Doesnt matter.
Dont give a fk about the spread? Feel free to go to parties. Oh wait we will get fined for that.
How is this better than what China did? I rather the govt lock us all at home for a month and then let us go on with our lives already.
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Re: So California has mandatory lockdowns, mask wearing, and closures
[QUOTE=fsvr54;14218063]Hating on westerners is the epitome of idiocy.
It's a flu and the numbers a majorly doctored to promote further transfer of wealth to the elite class. Keep living in ignorant hate, chump.
IN fact society would be far healthier if we acquired herd immunity by everyone going out.[/QUOTE]
You telling us not to hate on our Western government yet you dont agree with what they are doing.
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Re: So California has mandatory lockdowns, mask wearing, and closures
[QUOTE=fsvr54;14218063]Hating on westerners is the epitome of idiocy.
It's a flu and the numbers a majorly doctored to promote further transfer of wealth to the elite class. Keep living in ignorant hate, chump.
IN fact society would be far healthier if we acquired herd immunity by everyone going out.[/QUOTE]
Yes. My sister talked to a lady in her church who works at a hospital a few weeks ago. This lady said that the amount of patients that they are seeing right now are the same as any other year (for the flu).
Also, I agree with herd immunity. Check out Jon Rappoport. He believes that you don't need a vaccine for herd immunity:
[url]https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2014/11/13/vaccines-and-herd-immunity-nonsense/?fbclid=IwAR0_-6zKgqTSKUTBYzPgH_Eo8dvZCNQyZwfbB31CKwxMoRPt0Hn5KYBhdWM[/url]
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Re: So California has mandatory lockdowns, mask wearing, and closures
[QUOTE=n00bie;14218129]These crazy measures worked but people here refuse to believe it because they dont want it to happen here.
So instead we have a dying economy for a full year. China has been fully reopened for months already.
Oh but of course they are "lying".[/QUOTE]
The crazy measures of magic scarecrows in Cambodia, packed clubs in Tokyo, not social distancing in 50 different countries all over Africa worked but you refuse to believe it because you don't want it to happen here
So instead we tried our best at imitating Wuhan, locked us down & added mask mandates, while Belarus has been fully reopened for months already.
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Re: So California has mandatory lockdowns, mask wearing, and closures
[QUOTE=n00bie;14218132]Even if the death rate is low, our govt will keep us locked down. Doesnt matter.
Dont give a fk about the spread? Feel free to go to parties. Oh wait we will get fined for that.
How is this better than what China did? I rather the govt lock us all at home for a month and then let us go on with our lives already.[/QUOTE]
Just fyi China didn't do a national lockdown of 1.4 billion people for one month. They did a wild lockdown performance in Wuhan 3 months after the virus emerged and started spreading around the world.
I never said what we are doing here in the US is better than what China did. China did pseudoscience in a few spots for 1 month, then opened up. We've been doing pseudoscience for 10 months, and probably for many more months after.
I'd rather do what Belarus did, or whichever country had the least amount of restrictions in the name of Covid-19.
[QUOTE=Cleverness;14213285]So for exactly 1 month we will shut down pharmacies, nursing homes, elderly care facilities, veterinarians, airplanes, airports, buses, dentists, hospitals, contact tracers, administrators, urgent care centers, doctor offices, cancer screenings, roads, everyone in the energy sector, fire dept, ambulances, plumbing, waste disposal, public transportation, dept of defense, police, CIA, FBI, NSA, DEA, ATF, ICE, grocery stores, agriculture, suppliers, transporters, distributors, warehouses, IT, mfg of medical supplies, medical supply stores, banks, nuclear facilities, Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, ... you serious Clark?
Oh, and how will you enforce stopping 330 million people from interacting with each other? Will there be drones outside of everyone's house making sure they don't visit their neighbor or heaven forbid help their grandma around the house? Remember, the contact tracers think roughly 75% of transmission occurs within homes.[/QUOTE]
I know you're from Canada, but I was asking what you think the US should have done since April.
So just to be clear here... with millions of infections already and the virus spreading like wildfire in the US, your "all of us at home for a month" lockdown includes 330 million people as described in my post above?
Oh, and how will you enforce stopping 330 million people from interacting with each other? Will there be drones outside of everyone's house making sure they don't visit their neighbor or heaven forbid help their grandma around the house? Remember, the contact tracers think roughly 75% of transmission occurs within homes.
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Re: So California has mandatory lockdowns, mask wearing, and closures
[QUOTE=n00bie;14218134]You telling us not to hate on our Western government yet you dont agree with what they are doing.[/QUOTE]
He said westerners, not western gov't.
Westerners believe in freedom.
Western gov't does not believe in freedom - this should be 100% clear by now.
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Re: So California has mandatory lockdowns, mask wearing, and closures
[QUOTE=JBSptfn;14218135][B]Yes. My sister talked to a lady in her church who works at a hospital a few weeks ago. This lady said that the amount of patients that they are seeing right now are the same as any other year (for the flu). [/B][/QUOTE]
Anecdote, but it seems to agree with the data.
[url]https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-capacity[/url]
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq2l62eUwAETDE2?format=png&name=small[/IMG]
Looking at the hospital data this year, I'm shocked by the overwhelming support from the Left for Trump's National State of Emergency to 'prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed.'
[QUOTE=Cleverness;14218015]I don't think Trump's Coronavirus Task Force helped at all.
Per CDC estimates, we have approximately [B]138,000,000 infections so far in the US[/B]. This is more infections than we predicted [B]without [/B]the pseudoscientific lockdowns and masks. :eek:
It's quite surprising to see so many people continue to support Trump's National State of Emergency, his Coronavirus Task Force, and all their disastrous policies.[/QUOTE]
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Re: So California has mandatory lockdowns, mask wearing, and closures
[QUOTE=n00bie;14217901]Good luck with the civil war. Civilians with guns vs. the U.S. military?
Sometimes you just gotta accept this is the world we live in and try to make the best of your time here.[/QUOTE]
You assume members of the military/cops will fight for the Democrats against the Trump supporters. But if there was actually a civil war, you know how many would turn on the democrats to take out the left and put Trump back in?
I obviously don't believe it's feasible but I believe in a forced scenario of picking sides if there were a real honest civil war.... The military wouldn't fight the people to protect the democrats, they'd just eliminate the democrat politicians.
But in the case of accepting the beast system... Communism... I'll take my chances in the next step after this life, cause f this place if it becomes communists. I'd rather cease to exist.
I just wanna hang glide bruh. Soaring through the sky like a free bird.