How would Moses Malone's "move" in 1982-83 be viewed today?

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14406686]It's okay to be wrong. I've been wrong on this forum and conceded. Most recently, we were discussing the Dream Team in 1992 vs. the 1996 team. I first opted for the '92 team (media bias probably), Phoenix explained why the '96 team was better. I couldn't dismiss what he said. He was right.[/QUOTE]

We've all been wrong, but that isn't the case here. Saying a dude at 33 is past their physical prime isn't wrong. What years do you consider his prime? I can "concede" J was still playing at a high level, and have said as much. But the "prime" stuff is certainly debatable. There have been PLENTY of players who produced and were still considered great, but just not at their best. I believe J's best years physically were behind him. In 83, he was 4 years away from retirement.

MJ was 2 years away from retirement in 96 guess he wasn’t in his prime :oldlol:

Holy ****, dude just stop, this is embarrassing.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14406696]Was Wade comparable to LeBron when they won rings? :oldlol: You’re having a really hard time keeping up. Again, you’re getting completely abused in this thread and having to resort to trolling because you’ve been exposed as a hypocrite who just hates LeBron.[/QUOTE]

Lol 11 and 12 wade was definitely comparable. You continue to prove you dont know ball. Its cool though. Post something pro LeBron to help you cope.

[QUOTE=MadDog;14406707]Lol 11 and 12 wade was definitely comparable. You continue to prove you dont know ball. Its cool though. Post something pro LeBron to help you cope.[/QUOTE]
Wade was comparable to LeBron in 2012? Are you on meth? Also sadly for you, LeBron also won in 2013 with Wade’s corpse. What’s your excuse for that? :yaohappy:

This dude legit said Wade was comparable to LeBron in 2012 lmao

[QUOTE=RRR3;14406709]Wade was comparable to LeBron in 2012? Are you on meth? Also sadly for you, LeBron also won in 2013 with Wade’s corpse. What’s your excuse for that? :yaohappy:[/QUOTE]

Uhhh I've been talking about Wade and J. Not LeBron and Wade,

[QUOTE=RRR3;14406706]MJ was 2 years away from retirement in 96 guess he wasn’t in his prime :oldlol:

Holy ****, dude just stop, this is embarrassing.[/QUOTE]

Kobe wasn't in his prime at 33. :confusedshrug: This topic is over your head, chief.

[QUOTE=MadDog;14406713]Uhhh I've been talking about Wade and J. Not LeBron and Wade,



Kobe wasn't in his prime at 33. :confusedshrug: This topic is over your head, chief.[/QUOTE]
And yet you hate on LeBron and CP3 for not winning a ring at 36. Hmm. What’s with randomly bringing up Kobe?

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[QUOTE=RRR3;14406716]And yet you hate on LeBron and CP3 for not winning a ring at 36. Hmm. What’s with randomly bringing up Kobe?[/QUOTE]

I'm literally running laps around you lol. Kobe was mentioned to stomp on your MJ example. 33 and "still priming" isn't the case for everyone. It definitely wasn't for Kobe, and I don't believe it was for J - who put up great numbers, and yet was still second fiddle to Malone.

In his prime, does J take a backseat? Doubtful.

[QUOTE=MadDog;14406726][B]I'm literally running laps around you lol.[/B] Kobe was mentioned to stomp on your MJ example. 33 and "still priming" isn't the case for everyone. It definitely wasn't for Kobe, and I don't believe it was for J - who put up great numbers, and yet was still second fiddle to Malone.

In his prime, does J take a backseat? Doubtful.[/QUOTE]
Are you on crack? You’ve literally been factually proven wrong multiple times in this thread. I’m actually embarrassed for you, this is sad. You have no actual arguments you just hate LeBron. Come back when you’re willing to actually make good points.

Doc averaged 18/8/3 in the 83 playoffs, and shot 45%. Yet this idiot LeBron fan is crying over me saying Doc wasn't priming. :oldlol: Yeah, OK

[QUOTE=RRR3;14406728]Are you on crack? You’ve literally been factually proven wrong multiple times in this thread. I’m actually embarrassed for you, this is sad. You have no actual arguments you just hate LeBron. Come back when you’re willing to actually make good points.[/QUOTE]

Where? :confusedshrug: In your tiny head, posting memes and dikkriding posters is a W.

[QUOTE=MadDog;14406703]We've all been wrong, but that isn't the case here. Saying a dude at 33 is past their physical prime isn't wrong. What years do you consider his prime? I can "concede" J was still playing at a high level, and have said as much. But the "prime" stuff is certainly debatable. There have been PLENTY of players who produced and were still considered great, but just not at their best. I believe J's best years physically were behind him. In 83, he was 4 years away from retirement.[/QUOTE]

I didn't see Dr. J play so I can't really say he was or wasn't in his physical prime. But his physical attributes are irrelevant to the conversation; it's what how he produced that really matters.

The fact that he was so high in the MVP voting, All-NBA 1st Team, top 5 in scoring, and top 5 in advanced metrics (top 5 in most categories), tells us that he was absolutely not out of his prime. I don't believe this is debatable. I mean, he led that team to the ECF and they also won 58 games.

Was he in his prime in 1981? If not, then why? Compare 1981 to 1982.

1981: 24.6/8.0/4.4/2.1/1.8 with 3.2 TOs on 52/22/79
1982: 24.4/6.9/3.9/2.2/1.7 with 2.6 TOs on 54/27/76

How about the playoffs?

1981: 22.9/7.1/3.4/1.4/2.6 with 3.4 TOs on 48/0/76
1982: 22.0/7.4/4.7/1.8/1.8 with 3.2 TOs on 52/17/75

The numbers are almost identical. And Dr. J was 31 in 1982, not 33. So was Dr. J also not in his prime in 1981? He finished All-NBA 1st Team in both years btw.

I think you're really stifling your conscience on this one bro. I admire you as a poster. You're usually spot on.

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14406783]I didn't see Dr. J play so I can't really say he was or wasn't in his physical prime. [B]But his physical attributes are irrelevant to the conversation[/B]; it's what how produced that really matters.

The fact that he was so high in the MVP voting, All-NBA 1st Team, top 5 in scoring, and top 5 in advanced metrics (top 5 in most categories), tells us that he was absolutely not out of his prime. I don't believe this is debatable. I mean, he led that team to the ECF and they also won 58 games.

Was he in his prime in 1981? If not, then why? Compare 1981 to 1982.

1981: 24.6/8.0/4.4/2.1/1.8 with 3.2 TOs on 52/22/79
1982: 24.4/6.9/3.9/2.2/1.7 with 2.6 TOs on 54/27/76

How about the playoffs?

1981: 22.9/7.1/3.4/1.4/2.6 with 3.4 TOs on 48/0/76
1982: 22.0/7.4/4.7/1.8/1.8 with 3.2 TOs on 52/17/75

The numbers are almost identical. And Dr. J was 31 in 1982, not 33. So was Dr. J also not in his prime in 1981? He finished All-NBA 1st Team in both years btw.

I think you're really stifling your conscience on this one bro. I admire you as a poster. You're usually spot on.[/QUOTE]

That isn't true, and "production" would be a reason why. We're also talking about 83 Philly. When Malone signed and J was 33. Doc's playoff numbers were 18/8/4 on 45%. Pretty good for a #2, but seeing what he was in the ABA and past NBA years, those numbers are pedestrian. All it takes is one year for a dropoff. Most here consider 18 LeBron part of his "prime" but not 19. Kobe in 2010, but not 2011. Hakeem in 96, but not 97. And so forth.

I also like you as a poster, but here, I think you jumped the shark. :confusedshrug: That's fine though. We can agree to disagree.

[QUOTE=MadDog;14406805]That isn't true, and "production" would be a reason why. We're also talking about 83 Philly. When Malone signed and J was 33. Doc's playoff numbers were 18/8/4 on 45%. Pretty good for a #2, but seeing what he was in the ABA and past NBA years, those numbers are pedestrian. All it takes is one year for a dropoff. Most here consider 18 LeBron part of his "prime" but not 19. Kobe in 2010, but not 2011. Hakeem in 96, but not 97. And so forth.

I also like you as a poster, but here, I think you jumped the shark. :confusedshrug: That's fine though. We can agree to disagree.[/QUOTE]

Then we're discussing two different things. As I always mention with these conversations concerning superteams, what matters is the formation, not the aftermath.

At the time, the formation certainly was a super-team - as in - the day the deal was signed, sealed, and delivered. What happened in the playoffs doesn't negate that, anymore than Bosh's drop off in numbers, or Love, or Allen, or KG, etc.

Besides, his regular season performance validates it, and the team had one of the greatest seasons in NBA history, and were perhaps the greatest team of all-time.

But yea, prior to the commencement of the '83 season, it absolutely was a super-team, which is what counts. The same with the Celtics of 2007-08, the Heat in 2010-11, the Cavs in 2014-15, etc.

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14407301]Then we're discussing two different things. As I always mention with these conversations concerning superteams, what matters is the formation, not the aftermath.

At the time, the formation certainly was a super-team - as in - the day the deal was signed, sealed, and delivered. What happened in the playoffs doesn't negate that, anymore than Bosh's drop off in numbers, or Love, or Allen, or KG, etc.

Besides, his regular season performance validates it, and the team had one of the greatest seasons in NBA history, and were perhaps the greatest team of all-time.

But yea, prior to the commencement of the '83 season, it absolutely was a super-team, which is what counts. The same with the Celtics of 2007-08, the Heat in 2010-11, the Cavs in 2014-15, etc.[/QUOTE]

We mostly agree. I actually called Philly stacked in my initial post. Also acknowledge them as GOAT-tier and a superteam. J's best years were behind him though. His production in the playoffs kinda proves that.