Anyone believe Covid is very serious but at same time the vaccine ain't doing shit?

The tide is now turning as we see the countries with the highest vaccine rates have the highest total Covid hospitalizations and deaths. It is not a coincidence that Covid is exploding here as more and more people foolishly take these experimental vaccines that were rushed to market for a disease that has close to a 100% recovery rate. ADE, or Antibody Dependent Enhancement, is something we will hear about more and more as the tide turns and it is the vaccinated that are dying in mass.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432252]Krispy Kreme never claimed to be a health food joint. :lol


I think you are missing the point.

Their business is selling food. Yes much of that food is unhealthy but that is a separate discussion.

They are giving people a financial incentive to get vaccinated because the people who are unvaccinated are hurting their business.[/QUOTE]


[video=youtube;9HAPHc4hnFc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HAPHc4hnFc[/video]

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432252]Krispy Kreme never claimed to be a health food joint. :lol


I think you are missing the point.

Their business is selling food. Yes much of that food is unhealthy but that is a separate discussion.

They are giving people a financial incentive to get vaccinated because the people who are unvaccinated are hurting their business.[/QUOTE]

No youre missing the point and youre lying to boot.

McDonald's stock price is up massive since March 2020. They've been getting MORE business and making more money with lockdowns because they've never been locked down but other small businesses with less robust takeout systems have been. So they captured more market share with lockdown and have seen their value increase massively.

The hypocrisy is palpable that they offer unhealthy food for free under the guise of being health concious and encouraging vaccination. Total joke.

This world has too many stupid and gullible people in it smh.

[QUOTE=tpols;14432275]No youre missing the point and youre lying to boot.

McDonald's stock price is up massive since March 2020. They've been getting MORE business and making more money with lockdowns because they've never been locked down but other small businesses with less robust takeout systems have been. So they captured more market share with lockdown and have seen their value increase massively.

The hypocrisy is palpable that they offer unhealthy food for free under the guise of being health concious and encouraging vaccination. Total joke.

This world has too many stupid and gullible people in it smh.[/QUOTE]


MCdonalds stock price might be doing fine. The franchisees not so much:

[QUOTE]

McDonald's warns franchisees impacted by coronavirus could have to downsize or sell
Company has reportedly set aside $40 million in aid for owners

[B]McDonald's franchisees may need to sell their businesses due to coronavirus-induced financial struggles.[/B]

[B]McDonald's says it'll take millions of dollars to help struggling U.S. franchisees, urging that some will need to downsize or shutter locations, Bloomberg News reports.[/B]

The fast-food chain has set aside $40 million in restaurant aid for owners dealing with the financial impact of COVID-19 lockdowns, documents and internal emails obtained by Bloomberg News said.

CORONAVIRUS TENSIONS MEAN ESSENTIAL WORKERS FACE ANGER ON STREETS

Temporary funding will be available on a case-by-case basis and franchisee owners must work with McDonald's to "find a suitable financial solution," according to Bloomberg.
[/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/mcdonalds-franchisees-coronavirus[/url]

[URL="https://www.google.com/amp/s/finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/mc-donalds-hits-record-high-after-a-bombshell-earnings-report-150809478.html"]McDonald's stock spikes to new record after blockbuster Q1 earnings[/URL]


Yea.... Bullshit. They were offering free hamburgers for vax when their company wide earnings were at all time highs. Nice try though.

[QUOTE=tpols;14432288][URL="https://www.google.com/amp/s/finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/mc-donalds-hits-record-high-after-a-bombshell-earnings-report-150809478.html"]McDonald's stock spikes to new record after blockbuster Q1 earnings[/URL]


Yea.... Bullshit. They were offering free hamburgers for vax when their company wide earnings were at all time highs. Nice try though.[/QUOTE]


You do realize that McDonald's business model involves franchises, right? Their corporate earnings won't mean squat to a franchise owner that depends heavily on lunch time traffic from nearby offices.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432094]This just highlights the selfishness of the anti vax crowd. [/QUOTE]

Lmao, says the guy who wants to force medical intrusions into other people's bodies without even having a cost/benefit analysis, all for an endemic, widespread, seasonal coronavirus with a median age of death above average life expectancy.

What are the actual benefits are of forced vaccination, numbers wise?

Suppose the unvaccinated (group A) are forced to become vaccinated. How many from group A would have to become vaccinated to save 1 life from the group that voluntarily chose to become vaccinated (group B)? And over what timeframe?

Suppose forcing person A to be injected with a drug reduced the chances of person B to die by 0.001% over the course of 12 months. Would it be worth it to force person A to be injected? At what point would it be worth it?

[QUOTE=Rocket;14432254]The tide is now turning as we see the countries with the highest vaccine rates have the highest total Covid hospitalizations and deaths. It is not a coincidence that Covid is exploding here as more and more people foolishly take these experimental vaccines that were rushed to market for a disease that has close to a 100% recovery rate. ADE, or Antibody Dependent Enhancement, is something we will hear about more and more as the tide turns and it is the vaccinated that are dying in mass.[/QUOTE]

Then you add that to the fact that the vaccine manufacturers are shielded from liability. The government coordinated with the vaccine companies on that to expedite the rollout. So, if you have side effects or complications from the vaccine, you are screwed. You can't sue or do anything.

There was a study recently out of Israel, which has one of the highest vaccinations rates in the world. They found that natural immunity is more effective against the Delta variant than the vaccine in preventing reinfection


[QUOTE]
Natural immunity from contracting coronavirus provided Israelis with longer-lasting protection against the Delta variant than two shots of the Pfizer vaccine given early this year, new Israeli research suggests.

The study by Maccabi Healthcare Service looked at individuals who had either gotten two shots of the vaccine by the end of February or tested positive for COVID-19 by that time.

It compared 46,035 Maccabi members who caught the coronavirus at some point during the pandemic and the same number of double-vaccinated people.
August 25, 2021. (Yonatan Sindel/Flash90)
Natural immunity from contracting coronavirus provided Israelis with longer-lasting protection against the Delta variant than two shots of the Pfizer vaccine given early this year, new Israeli research suggests.

The study by Maccabi Healthcare Service looked at individuals who had either gotten two shots of the vaccine by the end of February or tested positive for COVID-19 by that time.

It compared 46,035 Maccabi members who caught the coronavirus at some point during the pandemic and the same number of double-vaccinated people.


People who had two vaccine shots had a six-fold higher chance of getting infected with Delta than patients who hadn’t been vaccinated but previously contracted the coronavirus, according to the research.

The study, published online but not yet peer reviewed, is the largest of its kind. It doesn’t take booster shots — now widely given in Israel — into account, but given that most of the world is still giving a two-dose regimen, has international relevance.

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[URL="https://www.timesofisrael.com/study-covid-recovery-gave-israelis-longer-lasting-delta-defense-than-vaccines/"]https://www.timesofisrael.com/study-covid-recovery-gave-israelis-longer-lasting-delta-defense-than-vaccines/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Vragrant;14432300]Then you add that to the fact that the vaccine manufacturers are shielded from liability. The government coordinated with the vaccine companies on that to expedite the rollout. So, if you have side effects or complications from the vaccine companies down the road you are screwed. You can't sue or do anything.[/QUOTE]

Yup... they explicitly (and illegally) have denied all legal liability. Pfizer and FDA have swapped top chairman as well. The corruption is unbelievable and right in our face. Pure facism. Coordination by private + public sector to groom and control the people in any way they want.

And now they have an army of sheep to shame and guilt trip people into taking a shot that has zero long term human clinical trials. (5+ years to study long terms effects) Its amazing.

RE data on Covid-19 hospitalizations

Again, the problem is the RCTs never tested for reduced hospitalization/death with vaccine. The best study we have showed that more people died in the vaccine group than in the control group (though not statistically significant). I do believe there's enough data that shows that the vaccine reduces risk of being counted as a hospitalization with Covid-19, but not necessarily hospitalization overall. Part of the issue is separating those who were admitted primarily for Covid-19 (and would not have been hospitalized otherwise) and those who were in with Covid-19 and would have been hospitalized regardless of vaccination. For example:

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-GTLLCVgAQhUU_?format=jpg&name=medium[/IMG]

Furthermore, another thing that needs to be made clear is the absolute risk reduction of hospitalization & death with vaccination vs without, over say a 6-12 month timeframe. This should give people a better idea of whether or not the vaccine is right for them. Here's the CDC's opinion:

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497275-Anti-Vaxxers-are-Low-IQ-Prove-me-Wrong&p=14431224&viewfull=1#post14431224[/url]

Still waiting on tontoz to back up one of his other outrageous claims here:

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14431230]Interesting assumptions there.

How many infections did school closures prevent from March 2020 to June 2021?

How many infections have masks prevented so far, or through June 2021?[/QUOTE]

RE charts comparing cases/deaths from 2020 to 2021.

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9hLGyNXMAEYWAY?format=png&name=small[/IMG]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-gHvpHVEAISQ7e?format=jpg&name=medium[/IMG]

Data from Israel, one of the most vaccinated countries in the world.

It's quite surprising to see given the plausibility that the most vulnerable died the earliest and the narrative surrounding Covid-19 vaccines.

The decoupling of cases & deaths could be due to the most vulnerable dying off earliest, as well as testing criteria?



[url]https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/08/06/cdc_director_vaccines_no_longer_prevent_you_from_spreading_covid.html#[/url]

Here's the CDC Director saying that the "Vaccines No Longer Prevent You From Spreading COVID."

So we have a vaccine that doesn't prevent you from being infected, transmitting it, BUT may reduce the likelihood of severe disease.

This doesn't sound like a [I]vaccine [/I]as much as it does a preventive [I]drug [/I]one must take routinely (eg booster shots).

[QUOTE]People who are against forced vaccination with the Covid-19 "vaccine" are SeLfIsH[/QUOTE]

Expanding on what I wrote previously on the CDC directors latest announcement...

[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v3[/url]

"[...] no significant differences in Ct values by vaccination status. Notably, 212 of 311 (68%) of individuals with infection despite full vaccination had extremely low Ct values <25, consistent with high viral loads."

One more on the decoupling of UK cases/deaths

[url]https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf[/url]

[QUOTE]Since Feb 1, the UK's 0.033% (48/147,612) case fatality ratio for Delta under age 50 unvaccinated is 40% lower than their observed Alpha under age 50 (vax+unvax) CFR of 0.056% (66/118,178).[/QUOTE]

The CFR is 40% lower in unvaccinated. Again, absolutely plausible that the most vulnerable people simply became infected and died earlier than the less vulnerable.

Though, like I said, changes in testing also had an effect.

[IMG]https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/Screenshot_20210906-143755.jpg[/IMG]

[url]https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-vaccines-hospital-cases-rates-unvaccinated[/url]


Consider that people over 65 have the highest rate of vaccination.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432319][IMG]https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/Screenshot_20210906-143755.jpg[/IMG]

[url]https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-vaccines-hospital-cases-rates-unvaccinated[/url]


Consider that people over 65 have the highest rate of vaccination.[/QUOTE]



[url]https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZSo9xj7v4NMv/[/url]

[b]Florida nurse talks about being on the front lines[/b]