Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14507393]Obviously Lebron is better than Wizards Jordan, but that version of Jordan was a total joke. He should've never come back, that was embarrassing.[/QUOTE]
At this same point in the season, 2002 Jordan was [I]winning[/I] with the Wizards (4 seed) and 1 of 3 players getting 25/5/5 (Kobe/Tmac/MJ), while also having numerous 40/50 point games and game-winners over Lebron's bully (Marion).
Otoh, Lebron is a year younger but basically lottery or 1st Round in the West without AD, with the most empty-stat style of all-time (6'9" westbricking)
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
Tim Duncan was a more impactful franchise player than Lebron. Wake me up when Lebron has 5 titles. He better get it soon 😅
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
[QUOTE=Dengness9;14507406]Tim Duncan was a more impactful franchise player than Lebron. Wake me up when Lebron has 5 titles. He better get it soon [/QUOTE]
Wake me up when prime LeBron loses to an 8th seed.
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
[QUOTE=3ba11;14507381]Jordan was top 5 DPOY from 88-98'
Meanwhile, Pippen was hidden in the 98' ECF by guarding the slowest PG of all-time, while MJ had to run a few miles defending HOF Miller.
Jordan was also the primary defender on Gary Payton in Games 3 and 5 of the 96' Finals.
And we can't compare efficiency because Lebron always had equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention in the Finals or various playoff runs, so he didn't face maximum defensive attention like Jordan.[/QUOTE]
false. he was 7th in 91 and 6th in 96. it's a rep award anyway. his teammates were much better defenders. from 96-98 he consistently was hidden on the third worst perimeter scorer on the opposing team for long stretches of most games. he got beat like a drum by quick guards during this span. you're not changing history for those of us who saw it. sry.
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
Your Goat only has 4 titles? . Sounds like hell to me. You must be another one of Delonte’s bastard children.
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
Well if it’s a rep award, Lebron James reputation for defense is clearly far and away worse than Michaels.
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
[QUOTE=Dengness9;14507420]Well if it’s a rep award, Lebron James reputation for defense is clearly far and away worse than Michaels.[/QUOTE]
lebron was 4th in nba.com's dpoy ladder before getting injured last season. how stupid do you feel?
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
Lebron James greatest play ever was a potential finals saving block, Michael Jordans best play was stripping the other teams best player, then also scoring the game winner, he didn’t need someone else to finish the job. You think Lebron wanted to take the last shot against GS? He never even considered it. Thank god he didn’t bc he would’ve choked and Cavs would’ve never won a title behind Kyrie’s confidence to take a series deciding shot
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
[QUOTE=Johnny32;14507339]it's funny how they try to pretend 96-98 jordan wasn't an inefficient chucker on one end who has hidden on defense on the other end. unfortunately for them those of us who watched him (nba lg pass on primestar 96-98) know better.[/QUOTE]
He wasn't inefficient. Jordan shot 49% in the regular-season and 46% in the playoffs while averaging 30 points. Jordan also made all-defense and led the league in impact metrics. Grab a clue and stop making shit up.
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oh and speaking of pip's defense in 98.
[I]But if [B]Pippen's defensive performance[/B] in Game 3 didn't convince you that he's worthy of being named [B]MVP of the Finals[/B], then what he did on both ends of the court in the Bulls' 86-82 Game 4 victory should have clinched the vote.
Pippen impressed Jerry Sloan.
"He was sensational," said the Jazz's coach.
"He did a terrific job getting in the open court, pulling up and taking the 3-point shots, and got in a great rhythm," Sloan said. "We had a difficult time trying to guard him."
And that was just half the court.
[B]"Defensively, he puts tremendous pressure on you. . . . He caused us a lot of problems, I think everybody is aware of that. We're aware of it," Sloan said. "We have trouble with him every time we play. And I don't know what more you can say. You can put him on any player on the floor, and he's going to do a terrific job defensively."[/B]
That versatility amazes ESPN basketball expert Dr. Jack Ramsay, a longtime coach in the NBA. [B]Ramsay ranks Pippen among the outstanding defenders in the history of the game.[/B] Right there with K.C. Jones, Mel Hutchins, Satch Sanders and so on.
[B]"I can't conjure up anybody who does all the things that Pippen does as a defender. I mean, he can defend anybody," Ramsay said. "We've seen him defend point guards and take them out of their game, two guards and deny them a shot, small forwards, big forwards. The only player that I haven't seen him defend well is the opposing center. I think he'd have a hard time with Shaq."[/B]
[B]"Scottie has done a lot in terms of relieving some of the pressure off of me," said Jordan.[/B] "[B]Defensively, he's the key component for us.[/B] He's a recovery. And we give him the authority to do whatever he wants on the defensive end . . . He can disrupt anybody's offense, really. And tonight was a great example of that."[/I]
[url]https://www.deseret.com/1998/6/11/19385041/what-about-pippen-for-nba-finals-mvp[/url]
LeREKT.
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
Holy shit, an in season list from nba.com?! Sounds like gospel! Did he make an all defensive team last year? Oh wait, he didn’t even receive a vote. That’s right. Try harder, be less stupid
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"Scottie has done a lot in terms of relieving some of the pressure off of me," said Jordan.
"Defensively, he's the key component for us."
i wonder what mj meant by this. oh wait i think i know. scottie allows me to hide on defense and focus only on offense. kind of like what i've been saying. shocker.
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
Michael Jordan dragged the Bulls and Scottie through the entire 98 season. Rodman was more important than Pip at that point. Scotties body was failing him big time. Scottie winning finals mvp over MJ who stripped Malone then hit the finals winner? Laughable but keep trying bud!
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
[QUOTE=Dengness9;14507437]Michael Jordan dragged the Bulls and Scottie through the entire 98 season. Rodman was more important than Pip at that point. Scotties body was failing him big time. Scottie winning finals mvp over MJ who stripped Malone then hit the finals winner? Laughable but keep trying bud![/QUOTE]
the jazz coach disagrees with your uneducated opinion.
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
more fun facts from the 98 finals: only steve kerr had a worse defensive rating than mj in the 98 finals.
hurrr, 4th in dpoy voting doe, durrr