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[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14553966]Bingo, that's my point.[/QUOTE]
Your point doesn't apply to Memphis. Morant played last year. JJJ didn't. And Memphis had a winning record last year.
That isn't comparable at all to Nash going to the Suns and the Suns winning over twice as many games.
[QUOTE=tontoz;14553969]Your point doesn't apply to Memphis. Morant played last year. JJJ didn't. And Memphis had a winning record last year.
That isn't comparable at all to Nash going to the Suns and the Suns winning over twice as many games.[/QUOTE]
I disagree with you. Memphis has taken the biggest jump forward for the MVP candidates by far. Last year Memphis finished as a 9th seed with a 38-34 record in the play-in tourny. This year, at their current rate, if everything holds, they'll have gone from a 9th seed to 2nd and finish with 55 wins.
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14554040]I disagree with you. Memphis has taken the biggest jump forward for the MVP candidates by far. Last year Memphis finished as a 9th seed with a 38-34 record in the play-in tourny. This year, at their current rate, if everything holds, they'll have gone from a 9th seed to 2nd and finish with 55 wins.[/QUOTE]
Last year was a shortened season. Last years winning percentage over an 82 game season equates to 43 wins. A 12 game improvement is not a big deal considering JJJ was out last season.
The Suns won 29 games the year before Nash got there. Then then won 62 with Nash. That is a 33 game improvement.
33 >>> 12
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14554040]I disagree with you. Memphis has taken the biggest jump forward for the MVP candidates by far. Last year Memphis finished as a 9th seed with a 38-34 record in the play-in tourny. This year, at their current rate, if everything holds, they'll have gone from a 9th seed to 2nd and finish with 55 wins.[/QUOTE]
MVP isn't a who took the biggest step award. Guys like Nash and Rose win when there's not a clear case for the better players. Jokic and others have clear statistical dominance over morant and have a clear case. Morant simply doesn't have a case over any of them. Period.
[QUOTE=tontoz;14554046]Last year was a shortened season. Last years winning percentage over an 82 game season equates to 43 wins. A 12 game improvement is not a big deal considering JJJ was out last season.
The Suns won 29 games the year before Nash got there. Then then won 62 with Nash. That is a 33 game improvement.
33 >>> 12[/QUOTE]
Boom.
And with them going 12-2 without the kid, I mean....
[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14553940]This guy calling people casuals and then in the same discourse saying Morant doesn't get enough double doubles and triple doubles:roll: can't make this shit up[/QUOTE]
Again, when compared to the likes of embiid or jokic. You nutball. Maybe you can try to read properly next time?
[QUOTE=Axe;14554079]Again, when compared to the likes of embiid or jokic. You nutball. Maybe you can try to read properly next time?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Axe;14553892]you don't see this kid average double-doubles on a regular basis. Let alone a triple-double[/QUOTE]
You discovered that Morant isn't a center. Congratulations.
Such a dingus.
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14554047]MVP isn't a who took the biggest step award. Guys like Nash and Rose win when there's not a clear case for the better players. Jokic and others have clear statistical dominance over morant and have a clear case. Morant simply doesn't have a case over any of them. Period.[/QUOTE]
Lebron and Howard had a clear case over Rose. Kobe and Shaq (he repeats this ad infinitum) had a clear case over Nash. Statistical dominance is only one factor, context is everything.
[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14554106]You discovered that Morant isn't a center. Congratulations.
Such a dingus.[/QUOTE]
Isn't that one of the main reasons why both of those men (embiid or jokic) have been top mvp candidates for sometime now? And if westbrook can average triple-doubles, then why can't morant do the same thing frequently? What a moron. Please quit smoking meth will ya.
[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14554108]Lebron and Howard had a clear case over Rose. Kobe and Shaq (he repeats this ad infinitum) had a clear case over Nash. Statistical dominance is only one factor, context is everything.[/QUOTE]
Context is jokic and embiid have lead teams without another all star to a 50 win pace so far. In embiids case, once they added harden they have a legit shot at the 1 seed
[QUOTE=NBAGOAT;14554127] In embiids case, once they added harden they have a legit shot at the 1 seed[/QUOTE]
To me, if Embiid needs Harden to overtake Miami, that's not a positive.
Who's Morant's All-Star teammate? He's led his team to a better record than Denver, Philly, and Milwaukee.
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14554133]To me, if Embiid needs Harden to overtake Miami, that's not a positive.
Who's Morant's All-Star teammate? He's led his team to a better record than Denver, Philly, and Milwaukee.[/QUOTE]
he doesnt have an all star teammate either but his whole team is competent as in every rotation piece is a clear net positive and jackson and bane are very good this year, both likely better than say wiggins who was an all star. Denver has likely only 1 guy who's that good in aaron gordon, embiid had maybe 2 in maxey and curry before he was traded(harris has been bad).
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14554047] Guys like Nash and Rose win when there's not a clear case for the better players.[/QUOTE]
Nash won averaging 15.5 ppg and 10.5 assists. Lebron averaged 27-7-7, Kobe averaged 27-6-6, that's not a clear cut case?
MVP should go to one of Giannis/Jokic/Embiid but I think Morant is top 4-5 for sure
I can see an MVP in the future but I think he's a little too small for that to be an easy prediction, it'll be tough to have that ideal season where things are going extremely well for him and not so well with the dominant bigs and big guards/wings he'll be competing with. It's largely a narrative award
But that kind of scenario allowed AI/Nash/Rose/Steph/Westbrook to win the award at their size as well, so it's possible
Just won't be this season
[QUOTE=Mr.GOAT2408;14554182]MVP should go to one of Giannis/Jokic/Embiid but I think Morant is top 4-5 for sure
I can see an MVP in the future but I think he's a little too small for that to be an easy prediction, it'll be tough to have that ideal season where things are going extremely well for him and not so well with the dominant bigs and big guards/wings he'll be competing with. It's largely a narrative award
But that kind of scenario allowed AI/Nash/Rose/Steph/Westbrook to win the award at their size as well, so it's possible
Just won't be this season[/QUOTE]
Not only that. Those big guys are capable of averaging double-doubles regularly or sometimes, triple-doubles also. I know they're able to achieve that mostly because of their position and size but others seem to overlook that when they're bringing up smaller players. Like the case here with morant.