Not bad to start from scratch, that core wasnt going to go further.
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Not bad to start from scratch, that core wasnt going to go further.
You will have very good team in 3 years.
[QUOTE=Lee;14668596]Not bad to start from scratch, that core wasnt going to go further.[/QUOTE]
we don't know how far they were going to go. New coach could have done wonders. Dumping Mitchell and Clarkson for vets that played D, hit shots and passed the ball would have too. Imagine if they thought that in 1993 when two of the greatest players ever went from 1st to 3rd and remained there for two seasons. Would have never had the finals runs
[QUOTE=Lee;14668597]You will have very good team in 3 years.[/QUOTE]
who knows. First you have to find a guy to build around and actually build around him unlike what they did when Gobert emerged and they continued to try and tank and never really built around him. Same with Millsap before him. You'd like to think Ainge can work his magic again but than we have reports that the owner won't trade Clarkson! Let Ainge do his job and sign the checks!
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/10/8/23393446/4-observations-from-the-utah-jazz-open-scrimmage[/url]
[QUOTE]This is the version of Butler that was expected when he was drafted out of Baylor. If Butler is still on the team when the season begins, this is the version of him that the Jazz hope to see more of.
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might see it with the Stars while Conley and Clarkson try winning/losing you games
[QUOTE]But he’s been working a lot more this offseason on being a facilitator and creating for his teammates, and I think there is some clear evidence that he’s becoming a better passer.
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That would be great next to Sexton. The rookie is supposed to have that too hopefully
[QUOTE]Head coach Will Hardy has made it known that he wants the ball to move a lot and is asking for more passing from all of the guards, and it’s exciting to see that’s already being taken to heart, even before the start of the regular season.
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and than there is Clarkson :cry:
[QUOTE]On one hand, if you’ve got Clarkson, Talen Horton-Tucker and Collin Sexton all taking shots whenever they want and a bunch of young guys playing for their contracts, that could lead to some pretty bad basketball, which is kind of what you want from the Jazz right now (the race to get Victor Wembanyama is on).[/QUOTE]
Talen might be the new Clarkson. Taking bad shots and bricking them. At least Sexton is actually good
[QUOTE]On the other hand, if you’re trying to develop some other players to be facilitators and play within an offensive system and move the ball but it stops every time Sexton or Horton-Tucker touch it, that could be a problem.
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rather it be Sexton than Clarkson or Tucker
[QUOTE]Saben Lee had some highlight-worthy dunks that were extremely fun for the fans. Although it’s hard to imagine that Lee will be on the roster once opening day is upon us, it was good to see that he’s an athletic guy who actually has some tricks in the bag.
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it's not hard to imagine anyone on or off this roster. They could trade 4 guys for one contract another team wants to get rid of and get to 15 guaranteed contracts. We just have no idea right now. OKC has made two trades since camp began. Someone certainly needs Conley right now. All I know is Lee destroyed the Gleague in 7 games last year. Bolmaro put up big numbers there too. They've got something. More than the bum Clarkson for sure
[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/research-statistics-analytics/2022/10/8/23342234/why-tanking-is-an-important-part-of-the-nba-ecosystem-offseason-rebuild[/url]
[QUOTE]Tanking is a natural process that improves the overall product of the NBA
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disagree. Having guys that belong in college or the Gleague playing instead of vets has been awful for the league. Need to get the last two NBA holdouts on the Gleague teams and have a real minor league. Young guys developing play there. Vets play in the NBA like hockey and baseball
[QUOTE]Well, first off, calm down. Second, the NBA is also a fragile ecosystem and rules and systems in place can trickle down in huge ways. Tanking always comes with a mixed bag of reactions. The mere mention of the word will get certain people to react like you just told a dirty joke they didn’t appreciate, while others agree it’s an integral part of building some NBA teams.
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and there is the Jazz who still haven't figured out how to tank
[QUOTE]With the [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com"]Utah Jazz[/URL] on a downward trend, Danny Ainge did the right thing to blow it up and reset their championship timeline. That it also happens to coincide with a chance at the best prospect we’ve seen since LeBron James, well, we’ll just pretend that’s a coincidence.
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he thinks 2024 is even better. I'd say that is the main motivation behind this not the core reaching their ceiling. Hard for me to say trading a statue is the right thing though. They come around every 10 years in Utah.
[QUOTE]And the Jazz aren’t finished. During the season other championship contenders will look to make a move to improve their odds and you can bet the Jazz will be one of the teams they’ll call to get better. One of the contenders out there will want someone like Malik Beasley or Jordan Clarkson to improve on one of their positions or fill a hole from injury, it’s only a matter of time. This makes for a better playoff product where the best possible version of each team will be on the floor competing.
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the idea that Clarkson can make you better is hilarious! I'd rather have Exum
[QUOTE]What getting rid of tanking will do is remove a lot of hope and publicity to the smaller market teams. Imagine hearing all the rumors for years about Donovan Mitchell to New York and knowing that keeping him was your only option. How awful would that be!?! With the moves this offseason, the Jazz gave their team a chance at a championship because the only way to get that is by having 1-2 MVP/1st-team all-NBA caliber players. Danny Ainge took control of the Jazz’s future and provided Jazz fans with hope again. If they’re successful, the Jazz will have a chance at drafting a player they’d never have a chance of getting otherwise. Remember, every great player they’ve had has been in the draft. Whether it was John Stockton, Karl Malone, Andrei Kirilenko, Deron Williams, Rudy Gobert, Donovan Mitchell and then hopefully Victor Wembanyama. The draft is the only way the Jazz get their stars and so the strategy should always be to use the draft to get those players.
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Maravich, Dantley...
[QUOTE]If you take that away from the Jazz, you’re telling Jazz fans they should give up ALL hope at a potential title because there’s zero way they’re getting those players in any other way. Sure, the Jazz have made trades for nice complimentary stars like Hornacek and Conley, but those moves were made after the stars were already drafted.
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you mean all star Conley or all star Okur(not that he should have been)?
[QUOTE]Tanking makes smaller market teams more relevant and makes them an important part of an evolving NBA ecosystem.
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you took a statue away from Gobert and me so why not?
[QUOTE]I don’t know if Adam Silver agrees with this, but he has to see some of these benefits. As long as there’s a draft there will always be some form of tanking, especially in a game and league where winning is so dependent on having 1-2 stars on your team. Flattening the lottery odds has definitely helped, but it’s still there as it should be.
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they can eliminate tanking if they want. Have everyone in the lottery same odds. Have the first pick rotate every year so every team gets it every 30 years...
[QUOTE]Regardless, all of this stuff is actually fun and should be embraced. Whether your team makes the big trade, signs that big free agent, or wins the lottery, those are all parts of fandom and are part of the NBA ecosystem. Trying to remove that one element can have more negative side effects than the NBA probably realizes.
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i get it but embracing trying to lose should never be encouraged
Tony Jones: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]The Utah Jazz are waiving guard Saben Lee,[/URL] League Sources tell myself and @Shams Charania
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Mark Medina: Timberwolves will play Karl-Anthony Towns tonight vs Clippers. Rudy Gobert will sit out.
– via Twitter MarkG_Medina
[url]https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/268917/Jazz-To-Waive-Saben-Lee[/url]
In 85 games with Detroit over two seasons, Lee averaged 5.6 points and 3.3 assists in 16.3 minutes per game. Utah will have $1.7 million in dead money on their cap sheet for this season, unless Lee is claimed off waivers by another team.
Sarah Todd: The [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Jazz have waived Saben Lee[/URL]
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[URL]https://kslsports.com/494021/jazz-waive-saben-lee-will-sign-micah-potter/[/URL]
[QUOTE]Lee, a point guard entering his third season was coming off a difficult second year in which he averaged 5.6 points, 2.4 rebounds, and 2.9 assists.
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he dominated the Gleague. That shows me he's a fringe NBA player at least. Got hops and length. Sucks to see anyone cut when Clarkson and Gay are still around
[QUOTE]Lee’s $1.7 million contract was set to expire next summer but has a team option for the 2023-24 season. The Pistons sent the Jazz $1.7 million in the trade to cover his salary.
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looks like he was a likely cut from the time they got him. Anyone with an expiring contract and little trade value is on the bubble. Zeller and who will be next?
[QUOTE]The Jazz also announced it had signed Darryl Morsell who will be waived and joining the Salt Lake City Stars.
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6'5" guard who defends
[QUOTE]Earlier this month Potter was signed and waived by the Pistons in order to join their G League affiliate the Motor City Cruise, but agreed to the two-way deal with the Jazz before the beginning of training camp.
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guess they get something from Detroit afterall
The Utah [URL="https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/268921/Jazz-Sign-Darryl-Morsell"]Jazz have signed guard Darryl Morsell.[/URL] It’s expected that Morsell signed a non-guaranteed training camp contract. The 6-foot-5 Morsell went undrafted out of Marquette at the 2022 NBA Draft. Morsell was a four-year starter for Maryland before transferring to Marquette for his senior season. As a senior, Morsell averaged 13.4 points and 1.2 steals per game.
– via [URL="https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/268921/Jazz-Sign-Darryl-Morsell"]RealGM[/URL]
What’s your expectation on how long the integration process will take with KAT, Anthony Edwards and D’Angelo Russell? Rudy Gobert: Every night will be an opportunity for us to get better. Basketball is not a perfect science. There is never perfection. But if you can play for each other and compete for each other every single minute on the court, we’re going to get better and better. [URL="https://www.nba.com/news/qa-rudy-gobert-wolves-welcome"]Our goal obviously is to be one of the best teams in the Western Conference, then get to the Finals and play for a championship[/URL].
– via [URL="https://www.nba.com/news/qa-rudy-gobert-wolves-welcome"]Mark Medina @ NBA.com[/URL]
Once you start playing with Towns, what do you think the chemistry will be? Rudy Gobert: [URL="https://www.nba.com/news/qa-rudy-gobert-wolves-welcome"]It’s going to be fun. We both understand the game really well and we both know how we’re going to make each other better on defense and on offense. We’re going to learn every single day and every single minute on the court. That’s part of the fun with enjoying your team, enjoying your teammates and learning how to make each other better[/URL].
– via [URL="https://www.nba.com/news/qa-rudy-gobert-wolves-welcome"]Mark Medina @ NBA.com[/URL]
What has it been like mentoring Victor Wembanyama? Rudy Gobert: [URL="https://www.nba.com/news/qa-rudy-gobert-wolves-welcome"]It’s been great. I’ve known Victor since he was 13 years old. He’s a great kid. He’s very wise. Obviously, he has all the tools. But what makes him special is his mindset and his spirit. He’s passionate about the game. He wants to be great, and he knows what it takes to be great. He’s putting all of that together and working really hard to get to that level.[/URL] It’s been really cool to watch him grow.
– via [URL="https://www.nba.com/news/qa-rudy-gobert-wolves-welcome"]Mark Medina @ NBA.com[/URL]
When did you realize he would be a special player? Rudy Gobert: The first time I watched him play. We all knew he would be special. But the real question was how far and how special? These last few days, we can all agree that he’s going to be something unique. [URL="https://www.nba.com/news/qa-rudy-gobert-wolves-welcome"]As soon as I got to speak with him and understand his mindset, I knew he would be great. He has all of the tools, but the mentality is the most important tool. He has that[/URL].
– via [URL="https://www.nba.com/news/qa-rudy-gobert-wolves-welcome"]Mark Medina @ NBA.com[/URL]
[URL="https://*********.com/lists/international-transactions-log-where-are-former-nba-players-going/"]Former Hornets player Treveon Graham signed with G League team Long Island Nets[/URL] for the 2022-23 season.
– via [URL="https://*********.com/lists/international-transactions-log-where-are-former-nba-players-going/"]Alberto De Roa @ *********[/URL]
[URL="https://*********.com/lists/international-transactions-log-where-are-former-nba-players-going/"]Former Suns player Paris Bass signed with G League team Salt Lake City Stars[/URL] for the 2022-23 season.
– via [URL="https://*********.com/lists/international-transactions-log-where-are-former-nba-players-going/"]Alberto De Roa @ *********[/URL]