Top 10 most overrated list which exists just to farm engagement.

[QUOTE=tpols;14845955]If your next best offensive option is Kerry kittles you're gonna have to take some extra shots.

Once Kidd got Vince Carter he wasn't taking as many and on Dallas as well. He knew when to defer to better offensive players. Nets didn't have any in the early 2000s. Iverson never deferred even on the stacked Nuggets or Olympic teams. That's the difference.

Would you seriously say Rudy gobert is better than prime Jason Kidd?

:biggums:

That's a ban able offense.[/QUOTE]

Gobert knows his strengths and weaknesses. He's not taking a bunch of shots he's going to make only 40% of the time

Gobert certainly might have went to a couple conference finals if he'd been playing in the east and he might win a ring as a role player still. Gobert has a higher offensive and defensive rating all time. Higher defensive Box +/-. More win shares per 48 minutes(Believe that was one where he's ahead of a statue as well). Player efficiency rating goes to Gobert(surprise, surprise!). More DPOTY. Obviously rebounding, blocks, %'s...

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14845977]Gobert knows his strengths and weaknesses. He's not taking a bunch of shots he's going to make only 40% of the time[/QUOTE]

If Kidd played with Donovan Mitchell and KAT and Anthony Edward's he wouldn't have had to take shots like that. And if Gobert played on those 20 win net teams he wouldn't even win 30 games. Whether he shot 5 times a game or 20. They'd be lotto. With Kidd they won the whole conference back to back.

The thing that really blows my mind though is how you hate him despite the fact he took a bottom rank defense and turned them #1 overall literally... immediately when he got there. You're a defense guy. No doubt about it. Yet you're here shitting on one of the best defensive players ever. It's incredible, astounding, and perplexing and probably some other words in the English language all at the same time. You're creating a dent in the time space continuum with your hypocrisy here.

[QUOTE=tpols;14845990]If Kidd played with Donovan Mitchell and KAT and Anthony Edward's he wouldn't have had to take shots like that. And if Gobert played on those 20 win net teams he wouldn't even win 30 games. Whether he shot 5 times a game or 20. They'd be lotto. With Kidd they won the whole conference back to back.

The thing that really blows my mind though is how you hate him despite the fact he took a bottom rank defense and turned them #1 overall literally... immediately when he got there. You're a defense guy. No doubt about it. Yet you're here shitting on one of the best defensive players ever. It's incredible, astounding, and perplexing and probably some other words in the English language all at the same time. You're creating a dent in the time space continuum with your hypocrisy here.[/QUOTE]
He also loves Chris Webber and says he didn't shoot enough despite Chris Webber being relatively average efficiency wise in his prime (and well below average efficiency wise past his prime). You'd think he'd say Webber should have been passing to the hyper efficient Peja more but nope he was too unselfish according to Xiao. Absolutely zero consistency. He also loves Adrian Dantley and considers him better than Anthony Davis despite supposedly being a defense guy. He just has his favorites and tries to justify it with on court stuff but it's all bullshit.

If Xiao says "can't quit me here", he admits he eats boogers.

[QUOTE=tpols;14845990]If Kidd played with Donovan Mitchell and KAT and Anthony Edward's he wouldn't have had to take shots like that. And if Gobert played on those 20 win net teams he wouldn't even win 30 games. Whether he shot 5 times a game or 20. They'd be lotto. With Kidd they won the whole conference back to back.

The thing that really blows my mind though is how you hate him despite the fact he took a bottom rank defense and turned them #1 overall literally... immediately when he got there. You're a defense guy. No doubt about it. Yet you're here shitting on one of the best defensive players ever. It's incredible, astounding, and perplexing and probably some other words in the English language all at the same time. You're creating a dent in the time space continuum with your hypocrisy here.[/QUOTE]

I'm a both ends/high iq/unselfish team guy. Kidd taking and missing a bunch of shots to get his triple doubles is something different

can't quit me!

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14845996]I'm a both ends/high iq/unselfish team guy. Kidd taking and missing a bunch of shots to get his triple doubles is something different[/QUOTE]

Jason Kidd for his career shot less per game than Ben Simmons in Philly. Did Ben Simmons take “A bunch of shots?” He was an all star talking 8 shots a game. Stocktons lowest attempts in an all star year is higher than Kidds.

Has anyone ever taken the number of shots Kidd took for his career and had it considered a lot? Did you just not see Jason Kidd play basketball most of his career?

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14846024]Jason Kidd for his career shot less per game than Ben Simmons in Philly. Did Ben Simmons take “A bunch of shots?” He was an all star talking 8 shots a game. Stocktons lowest attempts in an all star year is higher than Kidds.

Has anyone ever taken the number of shots Kidd took for his career and had it considered a lot? Did you just not see Jason Kidd play basketball most of his career?[/QUOTE]

Simmons and Stockton both shot high %'s

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14846029]Simmons and Stockton both shot high %'s[/QUOTE]


Did they shoot a lot?

Its a pretty simple question.

Did Ben Simmons shoot a lot of shots?

Did Rondo?

Kidd has 2 all star seasons shooting less than 04 or 05 Ben Wallace.

Did Ben Wallace shoot a lot?

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14846031]Did they shoot a lot?

Its a pretty simple question.

Did Ben Simmons shoot a lot of shots?[/QUOTE]

scored 42 on Gobert on 3-7 from the floor!

Yep gunning ass Ben who shot more than Kidd did in 11 seasons despite playing fewer minutes. Cannot keep those guys from chucking.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14846177]Yep gunning ass Ben who shot more than Kidd did in 11 seasons despite playing fewer minutes. Cannot keep those guys from chucking.[/QUOTE]

why wouldn't you want someone that's never shot under 55% shooting? :facepalm

Would you guys put Horry on these type of lists? He was a below average starter for most of his rings yet some people think he had hof worthy career. He was extremely smart and clutch but also extremely lucky to have played with Goat level Bigmen

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14846029]Simmons and Stockton both shot high %'s[/QUOTE]

You're basically the Jazz version of 3ball.