Bradly Beal, 50 mil to score 9 points in 31 mins in an elim game (Kblaze get in here

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14905502]Leonard. He missed the last playoff game. He’s out tonight. He missed 3 of their 5 playoff games last year. They missed the playoffs when he didn’t play the entire previous season. The year before that he missed 8 of their 19 playoff games. He has not been healthy to play in the playoffs in four seasons and they just extended him so he’s making 152 million to get older and more injured the next 3 years.

It’s entirely possible the clippers are going to pay him $300 million to have one healthy playoff run four years ago.

Not that his deal really matters either when it can accommodate two other stars and a great supporting cast. The owners have rigged it so nobody gets paid enough money they can cripple your ability to put a talented team out because they’re there. Just can’t happen anymore.

But Leonard is…painful. In more ways than one.[/QUOTE]

Wrong answer

Leonard has at least shown you he can be that best in the league type dude

It’s a roll of the dice with pretty tough odds regarding his health. But he has shown he has been able to take your team there and put you over the top.






What has Bradly Beal ever shown you? What exactly is his upside?


So, wrong answer, you can try again if you would like.

Hakeem showed he can be the best in the league type dude but I wouldn’t suggest paying him $50 million now. A Degenerative knee condition and eternal inflammation that does not allow you to make it through seasons makes what you would be without that irrelevant. I like his game for reasons that should be obvious to anybody But you can’t both load manage to be healthy when it counts and be unavailable in the playoffs for 4 years running. You have to pick a struggle. If you’re going to sit out during the season, which makes it hard to make the playoffs, but do so in order to preserve yourself for them…you cant also be unavailable when the playoffs start.

as I said, he is missing tonight. He missed the last game. He missed games last year. And 3 years ago. And the year he didn’t miss games in the playoffs They weren’t in the playoffs because he missed the whole season.

Doesn’t look like it’s getting better. And he’s owed 150 million while being the older of the two players. He’s about as unsafe a bet as you can make right now

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14905506]Hakeem showed he can be the best in the league type dude but [B]I wouldn’t suggest paying him $50 million now[/B]. A Degenerative knee condition and eternal inflammation that does not allow you to make it through seasons makes what you would be without that irrelevant. I like his game for reasons that should be obvious to anybody But you can’t both load manage to be healthy when it counts and be unavailable in the playoffs for 4 years running. You have to pick a struggle. If you’re going to sit out during the season, which makes it hard to make the playoffs, but do so in order to preserve yourself for them…you cant also be unavailable when the playoffs start.

as I said, he is missing tonight. He missed the last game. He missed games last year. And 3 years ago. And the year he didn’t miss games in the playoffs They weren’t in the playoffs because he missed the whole season.

Doesn’t look like it’s getting better. And he’s owed 150 million while being the older of the two players. He’s about as unsafe a bet as you can make right now[/QUOTE]

Why not? I thought you said because of the cap going up, the salary floor, and teams wanting expiring contracts….there was no reason to not pay anyone, why is Leonard different?

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But Leonard is…painful. In more ways than one.[/QUOTE]

Beal is a combo of the cost from Kawhi's money and PG's pick swaps. It was not a good trade but i am not sure if this is a discussion about the trade or just how much money beal makes:confusedshrug:

Actually I was Talking about Hakeem. Because he’s probably 60. In his case, age would be the reason not to pay. In Leonard’s case the unfortunate reality that he can’t maintain his body well enough to be available in the playoffs is the reason. If I have to choose between a guy, I wish would play better and the guy who doesn’t play for the same money? The kind of makes itself. And Leonard does it the worst way possible. If he didn’t play at all, they could write off the deal and not have to pay the money. But he plays just enough to give you hope then not be available when you need it.

It sucks because he obviously deserved it as a basketball player skill set wise. But a player is his ability plus his body. Missing the body?

I hope he turns it around and kills it for a few years, but at this point?

Anything he gives you is extra. His team is fighting for its life without him. And it’s happened over and over and over and over. I’m not blaming him, but goddamn.

[QUOTE=Charlie Sheen;14905512]Beal is a combo of the cost from Kawhi's money and PG's pick swaps. It was not a good trade but i am not sure if this is a discussion about the trade or just how much money beal makes:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

we are just talking contracts and how much of the team’s salary cap does a player receive, and if it is good value or not

(kblaze says bradly beal’s contract isn’t bad)

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14905513]Actually I was Talking about Hakeem. Because he’s probably 60. In his case, age would be the reason not to pay. In Leonard’s case the unfortunate reality that he can’t maintain his body well enough to be available in the playoffs is the reason. If I have to choose between a guy, I wish would play better and the guy who doesn’t play for the same money? The kind of makes itself. And Leonard does it the worst way possible. If he didn’t play at all, they could write off the deal and not have to pay the money. But he plays just enough to give you hope then not be available when you need it.

It sucks because he obviously deserved it as a basketball player skill set wise. But a player is his ability plus his body. Missing the body?

I hope he turns it around and kills it for a few years, but at this point?

Anything he gives you is extra. His team is fighting for its life without him. And it’s happened over and over and over and over. I’m not blaming him, but goddamn.[/QUOTE]


It kinda sounds like you are saying Leonard’s contract isn’t worth it and a bad contract?

[QUOTE=Charlie Sheen;14905512]Beal is a combo of the cost from Kawhi's money and PG's pick swaps. It was not a good trade but i am not sure if this is a discussion about the trade or just how much money beal makes:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

originally the discussion was once the wizards paid him they would be stuck with his albatross contract forever because nobody would take it. And then they talked to each other and decided to move him and it took about 45 minutes because there is no such thing as an unmovable deal anymore. But fans keep thinking there is.

The wizards gave him the contract Only had to pay a fraction of it and traded him for picks and have such little salary on the books going forward theyre gonna have to sign somebody to stay off the salary floor.

It did no tangible harm, which was the entire original discussion that he wants to keep having because he doesn’t get sick of hearing the same thing. He’s going to keep trying to get me to talk to him about it for a few more years while somehow also suggesting I won’t let it go. It’s a weird dynamic

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14905515]we are just talking contracts and how much of the team’s salary cap does a player receive, and if it is good value or not

(kblaze says bradly beal’s contract isn’t bad)[/QUOTE]

The killer part was the trade because that was the last move phoenix is going to be able to make to improve this team. The contract by itself was not crippling.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14905515]we are just talking contracts and how much of the team’s salary cap does a player receive, and if it is good value or not

(kblaze says bradly beal’s contract isn’t bad)




It kinda sounds like you are saying Leonard’s contract isn’t worth it and a bad contract?[/QUOTE]

If he doesn’t play basketball while being paid it. And even then it won’t be what you hysterical types.l suggest such things are though. In a world you can do a little cap magic and fit three of them and good role players on one team? It’s literally impossible to pay anybody enough that it destroys your team. And somehow you could pay somebody enough(which would probably be in the 90 million range) The CBA no longer allows you to pay them long enough for it to be a long-term issue.

You’re in this topic complaining about the “Long term” Situation of a team that will be under the salary in two years. The current cap that is. They will be waaaaaay under the expanding one if they choose.

This is an All in Owner. A meddlesome one which probably isn’t for the best, but I would take him over these cheap owners every time.

Lot better to be the Suns than the Hornets. Give me a guy who writes the check and doesn’t care.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14905516]originally the discussion was once the wizards paid him they would be stuck with his albatross contract forever because nobody would take it. And then they talked to each other and decided to move him and it took about 45 minutes because there is no such thing as an unmovable deal anymore. But fans keep thinking there is.

The wizards gave him the contract Only had to pay a fraction of it and traded him for picks and have such little salary on the books going forward theyre gonna have to sign somebody to stay off the salary floor.

It did no tangible harm, which was the entire original discussion that he wants to keep having because he doesn’t get sick of hearing the same thing. He’s going to keep trying to get me to talk to him about it for a few more years while somehow also suggesting I won’t let it go. It’s a weird dynamic[/QUOTE]

To be honest I just find it funny when you are being such a goof that can’t admit that it’s a burden to any team to have Bradly Beal on that contract. (Any team that’s trying to win at least)

And to be honest, I’m still not entirely out on Leonard. But I tend to have faith in people for too long. I thought Kobe was going to be good again All the way to like the All-Star break of his final season. If he can get his knee together for a couple months at the right time, maybe something will prove itself worth it.

You just hate to see it.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14905523]If he doesn’t play basketball while being paid it. And even then it won’t be what you hysterical types.l suggest such things are though. In a world you can do a little cap magic and fit three of them and good role players on one team? It’s literally impossible to pay anybody enough that it destroys your team. And somehow you could pay somebody enough(which would probably be in the 90 million range) The CBA no longer allows you to pay them long enough for it to be a long-term issue.

You’re in this topic complaining about the “Long term” Situation of a team that will be under the salary in two years. The current cap that is. They will be waaaaaay under the expanding one if they choose.

This is an All in Owner. A meddlesome one which probably isn’t for the best, but I would take him over these cheap owners every time.

Lot better to be the Suns than the Hornets. Give me a guy who writes the check and doesn’t care.[/QUOTE]

Writing the checks and not carrying is not how you build a good team. I think the Suns have just shown us that. You need to be willing to write the checks yet still be intelligent with how you use your money. That’s what winning organizations do. Like I said earlier in the thread, if you try to say F*** the salary cap, the salary cap will F*** you.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14905526]And to be honest, I’m still not entirely out on Leonard. But I tend to have faith in people for too long. I thought Kobe was going to be good again All the way to like the All-Star break of his final season. If he can get his knee together for a couple months at the right time, maybe something will prove itself worth it.

You just hate to see it.[/QUOTE]


I’ve said quite a few times that Leonard’s chronic health issues have been one of the worst things for the game of basketball. There was a time he was my favorite non warriors player.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14905525]To be honest I just find it funny when you are being such a goof that can’t admit that it’s a burden to any team to have Bradly Beal on that contract. (Any team that’s trying to win at least)[/QUOTE]

What I find funny is you going from the extreme of it being an absolutely unmovable albatross that is the worst contract in history to talking about it being a burden for team trying to win a championship. The Tone change and realization that you had no idea what you were talking about to begin with is unusual in somebody insisting on continuing to bring up a discussion that is hundreds of post already.

You’ve already given up like 70% of what you were originally insisting but you’re going to want to keep talking about it till the end you’re just like “I know there’s 77 of them but that one was…a little worse than ideal”.

You don’t even hear your stance softening, but I do.

These contracts do not mean shit. They mean less every day. just wait until you realize at the end of his contract, he might be making less money than he made at the start of it relative to the cap. He’s gonna have the smallest cap hit when he has the biggest actual number if a couple things fall into place but by then we will have moved on to you being outraged Walker Kessler or someone gets 304 million and you won’t have learned a thing.

The whole Max and Supermax contract thing is nothing but a smoke screen designed by the owners negotiators to con the simple minded into thinking that they’re doing something that hurts them.

The worst contract you can think of is a calculated deal to ensure you never have to pay Steph Curry what he would truly be worth in an open market. They sat down and even change the rules on awards, which will eliminate some all NBA players, but make new ones who otherwise wouldn’t have made it get Supermax Eligible deals for over 300 million like Jalen Brown and both fans and players will marvel while the owners care about nothing but the revenue split.

There is literally nobody who even has the potential to make enough money that it will keep their team from being able to have a talented roster. The system does not allow it. But you’re doing the bidding of cheap owners by pushing the idea that they can.

that way, the All-Star, who was paid more than fans think gets the attention instead of the owner who could give the order to assemble a super team anyway and pull it off if he chose to spend his billions that way.

these owners are master manipulators, and frankly fans are ****ing stupid. Almost as bad as the players who go into the CBA giving up financial trade off for irrelevant shit like having approval over the post game buffet menu.

The owners are billionaires with billionaire level accountants and cap experts that get paid like low level CEOs.

A lot of the teams that suck forever just aren’t worried about winning. But they have a convenient scapegoat.

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Writing the checks and not carrying is not how you build a good team. I think the Suns have just shown us that. You need to be willing to write the checks yet still be intelligent with how you use your money. That’s what winning organizations do. Like I said earlier in the thread, if you try to say F*** the salary cap, the salary cap will F*** you.

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The suns won 50 games while their best players miss what? How many games did they even play together? Was it even 30? They obviously did build a capable team. Just not a healthy one. And got more hurt in the playoffs.

Can’t account for that. As a bulls fan? I will swap rosters in a second. Worst case we start over in two years. It isn’t some devastated franchise. It’s a team. That’s going to be good again next year, but probably not good enough. How many teams are good enough? Three?

And Owner like theirs can put you in the conversation off sheer willpower.

you can’t necessarily spend yourself to greatness, but you can spend yourself to being worth talking about. In a league where teams like the suns have already gone 50 years without winning being in the mix is all you can realistically expect.


you have to be a special kind of incompetent to be willing to pay the tax and still stay bad forever.

They’ll probably tear down in a couple years to get out of being repeaters, then go right back for it. We need more teams like that not less.

Beal is dog shit. He never deserved that contract. I watched him play on the Wizards and before that as well and he never impressed me. He has his moments when hell go off, but he's a turnstile on defense, can't pass/play make, and is a terrible team player.