Re: How Trump outsmarted China
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14992587]Not to mention the vid TheMan posted at the 12:20 mark where he specifically highlighted, is a hired Chinese government operative who is trying to spread Chinese propaganda onto Americans. This was exposed in the vid I posted at the 8:17 mark. If he had the patience to watch my vid, he would have seen it. 5:15 mark in my vid is also eye opening.
Dude fell for Chinese propaganda. :lol[/QUOTE]
I know it's Chinese propaganda but what part of what he said isn't true?
If an American paid propagandist told the Chinese people that their government is anti democratic, is that a lie or not? :confusedshrug:
Re: How Trump outsmarted China
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14992573]This probably takes the cake as the weirdest statement you've ever made trying to get a "win" on MAGA, like what in the actual **** lol.
The fact that past politicians sold out America for the benefit of corporations and Trump pointing out this over and over and over again, is why he was elected President. And you come here presenting it as an "unpleasant truth about America that MAGA don't want to recognize" :oldlol:
Do you understand that tariffs are a fee for companies to pay on the initial value of their imported product and not a fee for the Chinese govt?
Example:
Without tariff: Produce in China for $40, sell in the US for $150, make $110.
With 25% tariff: Produce in China for $40, pay $10 in US tariff, sell in US for $150, make $100.
And in case your next trick is to say something like "oh but Trump doesn't highlight how it was our own politicians who helped create this mess and is instead just blaming China", let's have a look at a recent press release from the Trump Whitehouse:
[URL="https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/04/icymi-president-trump-is-president-for-main-street-not-wall-street/"]https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/04/icymi-president-trump-is-president-for-main-street-not-wall-street/[/URL][/QUOTE]
Tariffs, the way Trump is implementing them, is not gonna bring back manufacturing jobs.
Re: How Trump outsmarted China
Looks like Trump is folding on his tariffs lol.
Re: How Trump outsmarted China
[video=youtube_share;5J3N60QXU6Q]https://youtu.be/5J3N60QXU6Q[/video]
We win again fam!
Re: How Trump outsmarted China
[QUOTE=TheMan;14992630]Tariffs, the way Trump is implementing them, is not gonna bring back manufacturing jobs.[/QUOTE]
Is that why you went full retard, took the #1 Trump talking point of the last 10 years and laid it out as an "unpleasant truth for MAGAs"?
I'm sure if a life long politician was in charge, he or she would've worked with all those economists who are on TV these days to get those darn tariffs just right and brough the manufacturing jobs back :oldlol
Re: How Trump outsmarted China
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14992635][video=youtube_share;5J3N60QXU6Q]https://youtu.be/5J3N60QXU6Q[/video]
We win again fam![/QUOTE]
What an unbiased and reliable source :oldlol:
Re: How Trump outsmarted China
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14992659]Is that why you went full retard, took the #1 Trump talking point of the last 10 years and laid it out as an "unpleasant truth for MAGAs"?
I'm sure if a life long politician was in charge, he or she would've worked with all those economists who are on TV these days to get those darn tariffs just right and brough the manufacturing jobs back :oldlol[/QUOTE]
The Man is a legit beaner who actively roots for USA to lose because of weird racial self loathing.
Re: How Trump outsmarted China
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14992690]The Man is a legit beaner who actively roots for USA to lose because of weird racial self loathing.[/QUOTE]
You are weirdly obsessed with race, bro.
Re: How Trump outsmarted China
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14992573]
The fact that past politicians sold out America for the benefit of corporations and Trump pointing out this over and over and over again, is why he was elected President. And you come here presenting it as an "unpleasant truth about America that MAGA don't want to recognize" :oldlol:
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it's true that trump ran on a populist platform in 2016 but this was not included or at least not at all prioritized in the recent campaign cycle. if it was, it was only messaged in passing or in a vague manner and in no way conveyed the extreme, broad-based route that he's taken.
trump may also have a genuine belief in his vision for america-first in regard to trade but his implementation is sloppy - large scale blanket tariffs aren't going to be sustainable in the long term nor will it work in any significant way against an economic machine such as china. they'll turn elsewhere in the same way that Russia did when we sanctioned them to the bone. there's no way China will allow themselves to be embrassed again on the world stage after their hundred years if shame.
what you'd [B]like[/B] for these tariffs to be so far haven't demonstrated to be so. they've only been used as a leveraging or bullying tool against weaker, more fragile economies in an attempt to get some 'deals' or optic wins that are most likely in effect mediocre at best. targeted tariffs would make much more sense if trump wanted to implement them in a way that adheres to his long term vision but these as they're set up now sure ain't it.
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Do you understand that tariffs are a fee for companies to pay on the initial value of their imported product and not a fee for the Chinese govt?[/QUOTE]
they're also a massive [U]tax[/U] on americans. a [U]tax[/U] that Americans aren't eager to pay as we're recovering from the disaster of bidenomics.
[QUOTE]let's have a look at a recent press release from the Trump Whitehouse:[/QUOTE]
wat. im surprised someone like you is quick to cite something without question coming straight out of the white house. you don't look at all of this with any skepticism or doubt whatsoever? don't tell me you nod your head along with whatever that caroline leavitt spews from her podium, do you? come on man. snap out of it.
Re: How Trump outsmarted China
[QUOTE=TheMan;14992712]You are weirdly obsessed with race, bro.[/QUOTE]
So obsessed he has to have a racial gimmick account :oldlol:
Re: How Trump outsmarted China
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14992659]Is that why you went full retard[/QUOTE]
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Re: How Trump outsmarted China
[video=youtube;LZeX5q5dwO0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZeX5q5dwO0[/video]
Re: How Trump outsmarted China
[url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/16/chinese-state-media-tells-trump-to-stop-whining-as-trade-war-spirals[/url]
"The US is not getting ripped off by anybody,” it said. “The problem is the US has been living beyond its means for decades. It consumes more than it produces. It has outsourced its manufacturing and borrowed money in order to have a higher standard of living than it’s entitled to based on its productivity. Rather than being ‘cheated’, the US has been taking a free ride on the globalisation train."
Why is this statement so accurate when describing the average American LOL.
Re: How Trump outsmarted China
[QUOTE=n00bie;14992944][url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/16/chinese-state-media-tells-trump-to-stop-whining-as-trade-war-spirals[/url]
"The US is not getting ripped off by anybody,” it said. “The problem is the US has been living beyond its means for decades. It consumes more than it produces. It has outsourced its manufacturing and borrowed money in order to have a higher standard of living than it’s entitled to based on its productivity. Rather than being ‘cheated’, the US has been taking a free ride on the globalisation train."
Why is this statement so accurate when describing the average American LOL.[/QUOTE]
Because you are a petty ch1nk.
Re: How Trump outsmarted China
[QUOTE=diamenz;14992714]it's true that trump ran on a populist platform in 2016 but this was not included or at least not at all prioritized in the recent campaign cycle. if it was, it was only messaged in passing or in a vague manner and in no way conveyed the extreme, broad-based route that he's taken.
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Do you believe then that people voted for Trump due to a whole new set of reasons than in 2016? The main focus of the 2024 campaign was to point out how big of a disaster dems were, because they sold out the country, doesn't really care about the people and were instead trying to import new voters.
[QUOTE]trump may also have a genuine belief in his vision for america-first in regard to trade but his implementation is sloppy - large scale blanket tariffs aren't going to be sustainable in the long term nor will it work in any significant way against an economic machine such as china. they'll turn elsewhere in the same way that Russia did when we sanctioned them to the bone. there's no way China will allow themselves to be embrassed again on the world stage after their hundred years if shame.
what you'd [B]like[/B] for these tariffs to be so far haven't demonstrated to be so. they've only been used as a leveraging or bullying tool against weaker, more fragile economies in an attempt to get some 'deals' or optic wins that are most likely in effect mediocre at best. targeted tariffs would make much more sense if trump wanted to implement them in a way that adheres to his long term vision but these as they're set up now sure ain't it.
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It's been like two weeks right? If you think the coming deals with the EU and China are just for optics then there isn't much point in discussing it, as the only thing that could prove you wrong will happen over time.
In Europe they have both blanket and targeted tariffs set in specific deals, why can't the same thing work for the US? You literally can't export anything to the EU without paying a tariff, what's the technical reason this wouldn't work for the US? They'll even tell you directly on official EU sites why they do this:
[QUOTE]Through the tariff, the Community applies the principle that domestic producers should be able to compete fairly and equally on the internal market with manufacturers exporting from other countries / territories.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/customs-4/calculation-customs-duties/customs-tariff_en"]https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/customs-4/calculation-customs-duties/customs-tariff_en[/URL]
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wat. im surprised someone like you is quick to cite something without question coming straight out of the white house. you don't look at all of this with any skepticism or doubt whatsoever? don't tell me you nod your head along with whatever that caroline leavitt spews from her podium, do you? come on man. snap out of it.[/QUOTE]
So the thing cited from the White house was to show that it's very much still a talking point that previous politicians sold out the US, it was literally mentioned in the sub header of the recent press release on tariffs while TheMan was presenting it as "an unpleasant truth for MAGAs", which is of course completely ridiculous. I wasn't proving conspiracies or anything like that through a White house press release, so just calm the **** down and get off your high horse.
If there's one thing MAGAs love to talk about it's how shitty previous politicians have been. Someone like TheMan will ridicule repubs for not wanting to talk about how they voted for Bush or whatever, but it's actually a good thing because he was a terrible president. The disconnect is that people on the right in large parts have accepted that previous politicians were shit, but on dems side they're still very much hanging on to Obama, Hillary, Pelosi and Biden being good politicians who did well for the country, just pretending that Bernie doesn't exist and didn't get screwed out of a candidacy by that very same group.