Trouble in paradise? Musk slams Trump's "big beautiful bill"

And again, I'm not a liberal. Socially conservative and economically left but I can spot a false demagogue when I see one. Trump ain't our ally, never was. Unfortunately too many working class comrades are either too blind or too stupid to realize it, right Baller234?

When you finally wake up, we'll unite in arms and together we'll take down those who truly oppress us...until then, we believe it's only a matter of time and we'll welcome you with open arms. Either that or off to the reeducation camps, you capitalist pig :lol

[QUOTE=TheMan;15012180]And again, I'm not a liberal. Socially conservative and economically left but I can spot a false demagogue when I see one. Trump ain't our ally, never was. Unfortunately too many working class comrades are either too blind or too stupid to realize it, right Baller234?

When you finally wake up, we'll unite in arms and together we'll take down those who truly oppress us...until then, we believe it's only a matter of time and we'll welcome you with open arms. Either that or off to the reeducation camps, you capitalist pig :lol[/QUOTE]
Social conservatism with economic leftism is how you get nonsense like the USSR. You don't have to like it but it's important for everything to be progressive or it will be incoherent and have resistance.

[QUOTE=highwhey;15012057]damn, MAGA fakkits have been extra quiet today...i wonder why...:roll:[/QUOTE]

They aren’t petty beaners who get excited over tmz nonsense to make up for a void in their lives.

[QUOTE=RRR3;15012183]Social conservatism with economic leftism is how you get nonsense like the USSR. You don't have to like it but it's important for everything to be progressive or it will be incoherent and have resistance.[/QUOTE]

I just don't believe men can become women, the whole biological science gets in the way for me, and I don't believe there are 862 different genders, there are only two...nor do I believe a clump of cells aren't humans in the making and don't have rights. I can't get past that. I respect your right to disagree but expect that you respect my right to disagree too. :cheers:

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15012194]They aren’t petty beaners who get excited over tmz nonsense to make up for a void in their lives.[/QUOTE]

If TMZ says Donald Trump had sex with a minor?

Then Donald Trump had sex with a minor.

Realist most legit news source we have.

Here's the thing though. Trump is legit on the E list. He had sex with a minor.

I think many are overlooking the severity of that, or are like warriorfan and trying to convince themselves it isn't real.

It's real. And Elon knew.

What the MAGAS think Trump has too much integrity or decency to have sex with a minor?

I try to be as neutral as I can be and not to try to lean too far off to one side, but I thought it was pretty telling that the whole election support from Musk was just about money and getting in favor of Trump for his own companies' sakes. I felt this way once he switched from Left to Right and threw his support towards Trump. I've felt this way before the election results.

Fast forward to now and once Trump does something that majorly hurts Musk's' money and companies he does a 180 on him and brings out all these things he claims he knows about Trump when at the same time it doesn't make Musk look that much better. It makes it look like he knew all these things and stood by Trump's side for your own gain and once he didn't get what he wanted any longer he turned on him.

[QUOTE=Meticode;15012273]I try to be as neutral as I can be and not to try to lean too far off to one side, but I thought it was pretty telling that the whole election support from Musk was just about money and getting in favor of Trump for his own companies' sakes. I felt this way once he switched from Left to Right and threw his support towards Trump. I've felt this way before the election results.

Fast forward to now and once Trump does something that majorly hurts Musk's' money and companies he does a 180 on him and brings out all these things he claims he knows about Trump when at the same time it doesn't make Musk look that much better. It makes it look like he knew all these things and stood by Trump's side for your own gain and once he didn't get what he wanted any longer he turned on him.[/QUOTE]

thank you for bringing this up, because on that same side of the token, it seems like all the people trump surrounds himself with have jumped ship to join him or are only loyal out of self-interests. meaning, they aren't competent or deserving of being in the positions they serve, which in turn, tells us his administration is a sham.

[QUOTE=highwhey;15012274]thank you for bringing this up, because on that same side of the token, it seems like all the people trump surrounds himself with have jumped ship to join him or are only loyal out of self-interests. meaning, they aren't competent or deserving of being in the positions they serve, which in turn, tells us his administration is a sham.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like this guy is speaking from experience :lol

"The girls sure are fighting aren't they?"--AOC

[QUOTE=TheMan;15012179]Except I don't write speeches for AOC nor Bernie...

You've been one of Musk most ardent supporters... what's your honest take when Elon says Trump is def in the Epstein files and that's the reason they won't release them? No qualms at all that Orange Man Bad just might be a pedo? Also, how do you sleep at night? You're ok repping a child molester so long as you "owned duh libs"...? Asking for a friend...[/QUOTE]

I don't know why you guys keep harping on this ridiculous point. If if it were ever found out that Trump did something sexual with a small child, I would never ever defend it and I would wholly condemn him.

In another thread you equated Donald Trump with Dick Cheney because he *might* one day start a war over a total lie even though he hasn't yet. Now you're jumping to conclusions about me because you think I *might* defend Donald Trump being a child molester. All of your arguments are based on feelings and preconceived notions. Newsflash he hasn't been outed as anything yet.

See the problem is that you guys worship politicians and you think your leaders are infallible so you project that feeling onto others. You think that because we support Trump, we must view him as a god. As if we voted for the guy totally ignorant to the fact that he's a world class bullshitter. Newsflash, we know.

I do support Musk. His contribution to the movement can't be ignored. That doesn't mean he is a god to me. That doesn't mean he can't be a bad faith actor when it suits him. If Elon's intentions were pure he could have revealed whatever Epstein information he had a long time ago. Instead he waits for this precise moment and only implicates Trump and one else.

Also he doesn't explain Trump's involvement to any capacity. He just says "he's in the files". Okay we knew that already. Do you know anything else or are you just stirring shit? This isn't really fitting behavior for a guy who says he only wants what's best for the country.

There's also another option of course, which is that this is all one big show like WWE meant to distract us from god knows what and they've had this play ready to go from the beginning. Let's be honest, would anyone be surprised if they kissed and made up? I wouldn't.

All in all definitely a crazy timeline.

[QUOTE=TheMan;15012180]And again, I'm not a liberal. Socially conservative and economically left but I can spot a false demagogue when I see one. Trump ain't our ally, never was. Unfortunately too many working class comrades are either too blind or too stupid to realize it, right Baller234?

[B][SIZE=5]When you finally wake up, we'll unite in arms and together we'll take down those who truly oppress us...[/SIZE][/B]until then, we believe it's only a matter of time and we'll welcome you with open arms. Either that or off to the reeducation camps, you capitalist pig :lol[/QUOTE]

As if you mf'ers didn't campaign for the uni-party establishment with a smile on your face.:oldlol:

You can spot a liar huh? You just want what's best for the working class huh? Is that why you voted for The Cackler? :oldlol:

And did this sicko just reveal his hidden fantasy about sending people to [B]re-education camps [/B]because they disagree with him over how the economy should be run? So in your utopian society, you would imprison capitalists?

Very good to know.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15012285]As if you mf'ers didn't campaign for the uni-party establishment with a smile on your face.:oldlol:

You can spot a liar huh? You just want what's best for the working class huh? Is that why you voted for The Cackler? :oldlol:

And did this sicko just reveal his hidden fantasy about sending people to [B]re-education camps [/B]because they disagree with him over how the economy should be run? So in your utopian society, you would imprison capitalists?

Very good to know.[/QUOTE]

I was using hyperbole, no I don't believe we should imprison all capitalists, I'm in fact one and I do believe in capitalism, but not the runaway devour everyone run by the elites today. There shouldn't be billionaires, rich people yes, but these insanely wealthy oligarch robber barons are a cancer on a healthy society because they will always try to own the government because they have the means to, they corrupt government officials and politicians and have them doing their bidding instead of what is good for society at large.

We are middle class stiffs, we aren't in the club, we never were. Our enemy isn't the poor foreigners trying to better their lives, it's the one percenters robbing us blind. Trump ran on fighting for us but every action he has taken only support the rich like him.

Hopefully one day you realize that...

And to address the other post, no I don't think Trump banged a literally child, meaning a 10 year old but he definitely has hit underage teen girls...there are a lot of weird pedo shit that girls who participated in Ms Teen USA have come out publicly about Trump when he owned Ms Teen USA.

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