Boston has thrown Porziņģis out of the boat as well.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;15018114]Well, it would make sense for them to let Brown put up career numbers next year and then move him when his value is at it's highest, right? He had a "meh" season and Playoffs and I don't think he's a great long-time partner for Tatum. Let him jack up 20+ shots a game and average 28 and move him for assets that make sense long-term.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that would be the best case scenario and great for them. If he has a Beal type season where he puts up inflated stats far above his usual, he will fetch a king's ransom. I could literally envision a Paul George haul.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;15018126]Who's to say Jaylen Brown wouldn't have Ingram's career trajectory if he played on the Pelicans as well? Jaylen had years to develop on stacked teams that were coached well as a role player before turning into a star while BI played for one of the worst franchises in the league that still have no idea what they're doing to this day..

There are people here that argued to me in another thread that Bane's 40 million was too much, but apparently paying 50-60 million a year for a guy who puts up 22 points on mediocre efficiency because he can't shoot 3s is well worth the supermax.[/QUOTE]

You get it. There's been 1 season from Brown to indicate he's can be much better than Ingram, but otherwise he's been slightly better as an individual, more durable, and had benefited from his team's success.

[QUOTE=beasted;15018143]I've already enumerated how Brown has something like the 3rd worst PPG for a Finals MVP over the last like 40 years. I have no clue why you keep harping on it. Someone from the winning team has to win it. Nobody is trying to take away his Finals MVP from him, so you can give it a rest.[/QUOTE]I point out that he was the finals MVP because he was the finals MVP. He played great defense on the opposing superstar, hit major baskets for the Celtics throughout the playoffs and was a great leader in and out the court. You don't have to like it.

[QUOTE]But, ultimately, in the backdrop of comparison to other years Finals MVPs, he's literally statstically far below the average, which is not an opinion whatsoever. This is a clear indicator of his talent level overall.[/QUOTE] This statement is a clear indicator of your opinion, which doesn't seem particularly important to the Celtics, so they signed him to that huge deal and have rebuffed the various offers from other teams that apparently wish they could overpay him.

[QUOTE]As far as Brown's 2024-2025 regular season vs Derozan, I don't understand why you disagree with a pure fact since the 2023-2024 Finals MVP playoffs has nothing to do with it.[/QUOTE] The only fact I see here is that you're a stat dork losing an argument.

[QUOTE]Derozan nearly across the board basic stats, advanced stats, comprehensive advanced stats like rAPM, basically universally in favor of DeRozan. Well, newsflash, nobody is raving about Derozan or how awesome of a player he is. Nearly everyone thinks of him as just a good solid player. The main problem is Brown is the 6th highest paid in the league, and Derozan is 70th, and nobody thinks Derozan is a underpaid.[/QUOTE] Let me know when Derozan plays great defense on Luka Doncic in the finals em route to the Finals MVP. No one is raving about "rAPM" period because it's only nerds like you bringing that crap up after a star leads a team to the championship.

[Quote]Just say you hate facts and are biased.[/Quote]Or you will what, continue to be wrong? That's going to happen regardless of whether or not my post makes you feel better about yourself.

I'll leave it at this, RE:
[QUOTE]This statement is a clear indicator of your opinion, which doesn't seem particularly important to the Celtics, so they signed him to that huge deal and have rebuffed the various offers from other teams that apparently wish they could overpay him.[/QUOTE]

People were lining up to trade for Beal 2 years ago. People were lining up give Paul George his latest contract. People were lining up to get Markkanen.

People in high places in basketball make absolute shit decisions on a constant basis, just like Blazers trading away 32 year old expiring contract Jrue Holiday for Brogdon and a 1st 2 years ago, and then trading back for him 2.5 years later by giving up Simons and two 2nd rounders when he's making $34M for the next 3 years and is over 35.

Ultimately most of the time I've seen non perennial allstars get a max contract, it always ends the Beal, Middleton route. The good thing is the Celtics seem to be very smart in being able to fleece teams into taking garbage.

So, as a fan, I totally understand you don't believe there is much risk in paying Brown what he's paid. Again, what's not broken, don't try to fix. He's been a key contributor to winning and they're going to try and ride that until they need to dump him.

One more correction: Jaylen Brown is a perennial allstar. The difference between the Celtics and these teams you say are doing the wrong things is that they've consistently had a high level of success with Brown. There is a huge difference between Brown, a guy that can guard Luka Doncic for an entire finals and have that be a key factor in the Celtics winning and Derozan, who I'm going to guess no one can recall doing something like that on defense. Making the conference finals as many times as they have with Brown you would think people would realize that they know what they're doing. Guess not.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15018131]Sure let's ignore the fact that Ingram was drafted by the Lakers and played with years of lottery picks as well as one of the greatest players of all time. A team that promptly won a championship after they traded him. And let's also ignore that in his second year Brown led the Celtics (alongside another one of your favorites) to the conference finals after the Celtics two best players got injured. But it's all because Ingram got drafted by the Pelicans (who didn't draft him).[/QUOTE]

He played for bad Laker teams and got a blood clot as soon as he started taking that next step which cut his season short. On the Pels he never had a chance to do anything because Zion was hurt every single year.

Brown was the 3rd-4th best player on a ECF team his 2nd year, great.. A team that won a Game 7 without him and was up 1 - 0 in the next series before he even played.

Brown was drafted to a team that won 48 games, Tatum got drafted to a team that won 53.. You can't be serious.

You continue to ignore that Irving and Hayward had season-ending injuries. The team record they got led to by Isaiah Thomas the year before is completely irrelevant when he's playing in Cleveland. Why are you always so full of shit? You act like no one knows how these things went down. Even if I wasn't watching Google exists. Knock it off.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15018183]You continue to ignore that Irving and Hayward had season-ending injuries. The team record they got led to by Isaiah Thomas the year before is completely irrelevant when he's playing in Cleveland. Why are you always so full of shit? You act like no one knows how these things went down. Even if I wasn't watching Google exists. Knock it off.[/QUOTE]

The problem is that you don't see the other side of the coin and think we don't have Google also. Because you're tallying ECF appearances for a rookie who played all of 12 minutes per game in the playoffs with upside down defensive stats and poor efficiency as if he had any role or influence at all.

You don't think you have any bias and pretend as if facts don't exist.

[QUOTE=beasted;15018186]The problem is that you don't see the other side of the coin and think we don't have Google also. Because you're tallying ECF appearances for a rookie who played all of 12 minutes per game in the playoffs with upside down defensive stats and poor efficiency as if he had any role or influence at all.

You don't think you have any bias and pretend as if facts don't exist.[/QUOTE] Wrong again. Nowhere do I talk about Jaylen Brown's rookie ECF appearance as if it was an accomplishment. I consistently mention five ECF appearances. But guess what? He's been to six. Yes, facts are important You should stick to them. :no:

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15018192]Wrong again. Nowhere do I talk about Jaylen Brown's rookie ECF appearance as if it was an accomplishment. I consistently mention five ECF appearances. But guess what? He's been to six. Yes, facts are important You should stick to them. :no:[/QUOTE]

You clearly said been part of 6 in this same thread, as if he contributed in any meaningful way just because he played garbage time 5 minutes a game in his rookie season ECF. THOSE are the facts.

With that said... acknowledging that one of those years was not sure to his own play, before we rose the voices in beasted head again...6 Conference Finals in nine years is one hell of a ratio. And that's with one of those years they came up short him getting a season-ending injury and another of those years he didn't get a chance to lead the team the same way, losing his starting job with Hayward's return. That's an amazing ratio to think about.

[QUOTE=beasted;15018196]You clearly said been part of 6 in this same thread, as if he contributed in any meaningful way just because he played garbage time 5 minutes a game in his rookie season ECF. THOSE are the facts.[/QUOTE]
This is sad. He was on the team as a rookie, so yes, he was "a part of" an ECF team as a rookie. Did not say he led it. Just that he was a part of it. You're getting desperate. This is pathetic. Go to sleep.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15018199]This is sad. He was on the team as a rookie, so yes, he was "a part of" an ECF team as a rookie. Did not say he led it. Just that he was a part of it. You're getting desperate. This is pathetic. Go to sleep.[/QUOTE]

No, no, no...:no:

You can't call someone else out for stating facts under the backdrop of bad context when you're doing the same. You need to finish your beer and step back inside off your porch, old man.

You need someone to explain to you what the word "part" means? Go argue with Miriam Webster.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15018183]You continue to ignore that Irving and Hayward had season-ending injuries. The team record they got led to by Isaiah Thomas the year before is completely irrelevant when he's playing in Cleveland. Why are you always so full of shit? You act like no one knows how these things went down. Even if I wasn't watching Google exists. Knock it off.[/QUOTE]

You're grasping at straws here. Celtics were a good team, a high seed because of Kyrie in the RS and they only had to beat the likes of Milwaukee and Philly who had next to no Playoff experience at the time and no HCA.

I'm not even sure what your argument is. I guess the rebuilding Laker squads and the Pelicans were comparable to the situation in Boston at the time. Yikes.