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[QUOTE=3ba11;15022634]Winning spotlight is real, which is why secondary producers like Klay, Mo and Pippen don't get media accolade until they get winning spotlight first, while dominant producers like Love or AD don't need winning teams or playoff success to get media accolade
This is the historical record[/QUOTE]
+1 tbh
[QUOTE=Phoenix;15022433]Lol this little bitch thought he'd sneak in a dig at me in a post addressed to someone else instead of quoting my posts directly. Bitch behavior, just like you running away from the post the first time. I understood exactly what you said before, and it's garbage. First, you're just now adding all this mental gymnastics garbage like 'taking the league by storm' because your prior 'winning spotlight' arguments didn't have that context. Here's the FACTS after which I'll strip down your narratives to again show how full of shit you are:
FACTS are Klay Thompson was voted onto his first all-nba team averaging 22/3/3 in 2015 before the Warriors won the title. His scoring jumped from 18 in 2014 to 22 in 2015, which will tend to get you in line for possible All-NBA especially if your team has a good/great record. The voters considered that his performance played enough of a role in the Warriors season to warrant all-NBA before they won two months later. That's how voters think, not your drug-induced thought patterns.
FACTS are that Joe Dumars was voted all-nba in 1993 [U]THREE YEARS[/U] after winning a title averaging 24/4/2 on a team that won 40 games. Those aren't dominant numbers, and 40 wins isn't taking the league by storm individually or team-wise. The voters weren't going in 1993 "[I]you see Joe Dumars? Let's reward him for the 1990 title. Wait, Pistons only won 40 games? Not a problem, WINNING SPOTLIGHT from 3 years ago!"[/I]
FACTS are Jimmy Butler was voted all-nba in 2018 averaging 22/5/4, that is neither dominant production nor taking the league by storm( Wolves won 47 games and the 8th seed). That's the same 'secondary' production PPG you shit on Scottie for in 94, except Scottie averaged 9 rebound and 6 assists (both firsts among small forwards that year) and 2nd overall in steals.
FACTS are Anthony Mason made all NBA averaging 16/11 on a 54 win Hornets team, that's not taking the league by storm nor the 'dominant' production of 16 rebounds you tried to apply to Kevin Willis, and is weak 'secondary' scoring production. By the way, Willis didn't make the all-NBA team in 94 averaging 19/12 on a 57 win Hawk team. You really think the voters thought more of him dropping 18/16 on a 38 win team in 92, than 18/13 on a 45 win team in 93, or 19/12 on a 57 win team in 94? How fortunate for us that you aren't a decider of these things with your retarded takes.
FACTS are Detlef made all-nba averaging 19/6/4 in 95, secondary production on a 57 win Sonics team that had already won 63 games the year before( and he didn't get voted in all-nba that season). They were already a known factor, so there was no 'taking the league by storm' team-wise nor were his stats dominant.
FACTS are Rod Strickland made all-nba on 18/11/5, non-dominant production except for assists which wasn't that out of the park for him because he had prior years averaging 10 and not taking all-NBA, on a 42 win Bullets team( not taking the league by storm).
FACTS are James Worthy made all-NBA in 1990 and 1991 coming off seasons where the Lakers [U]didn't [/U]win a title. If 'winning spotlight' had that much credence he would have made all-nba in 1989 immediately coming off the 1988 chip, especially when they added the third team that year and he was decisively the 2nd best Laker after Magic at this point. 'Winning spotlight' would have gotten him onto one of the all-NBAs earlier in his career, if that was actually a thing, when the Lakers were winning titles in 85 or 87 and he was averaging the same 20-21ppg 'secondary production' that got him in for 90 and 91.
Those are historical record FACTS of WHAT happened. WHY it happened with your winning spotlight narratives are just that, narratives that you can spin and twist to obfuscate and ultimately mean nothing. There's too many examples that counter your 'winning spotlight' narrative to take all-NBA voting patterns as anything but subjective year to year. At the least, they don't follow the logic of some glue-sniffing retard like you who gets out on day release frothing at the mouth to create agendas for the express purpose of discrediting certain players.
Now go back to pretending like you didn't see my post originally before I get formally charged with assault.[/QUOTE]
3ball wanted no smoke
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15022651]3ball wanted no smoke[/QUOTE]
Where are the facts of klay being an elite defender?
Lol.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;15022653]Where are the facts of klay being an elite defender?
Lol.[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;y589G84w03E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y589G84w03E[/video]
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15022655][video=youtube;y589G84w03E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y589G84w03E[/video][/QUOTE]
Dude is some nerd who never played basketball and says KG is top 10 of all time
Invalidates anything he says. Not even gonna listen to any of that nonsense. Also funny you have such a low ball iq and normal iq you can’t even articulate your own ideas in your own words.
Yikes.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;15022659]Dude is some nerd who never played basketball and says KG is top 10 of all time
Invalidates anything he says. Not even gonna listen to any of that nonsense. Also funny you have such a low ball iq and normal iq you can’t even articulate your own ideas in your own words.
Yikes.[/QUOTE]
We have already been through this. I already stated my ideas and provided proof with the vid, that has actual data. Almost everyone in this thread agrees with my assessment. The only people who don't are you and 3ball, you know it's bad when you side with 3ball. If you want to keep talking in circles like a woman on her period, go for it.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15022661]We have already been through this. I already stated my ideas and provided proof with the vid, that has actual data. Almost everyone in this thread agrees with my assessment. The only people who don't are you and 3ball, you know it's bad when you side with 3ball. If you want to keep talking in circles like a woman on her period, go for it.[/QUOTE]
You watched a half baked low iq youtube video and then interpreted it as it was your own idea, because you are low iq and susceptible to such nonsense.
You have low iq and even lower ball iq.
No klay, no slay.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15022661]If you want to keep talking in circles like a woman on her period, go for it.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=warriorfan;15022679]You watched a half baked low iq youtube video and then interpreted it as it was your own idea, because you are low iq and susceptible to such nonsense.
You have low iq and even lower ball iq.[/QUOTE]
I actually found the vid right after I posted my analysis in the first page. Vid just supported everything I said, which means we are both high IQ.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15022651]3ball wanted no smoke[/QUOTE]
I saw no need to go point for point with him because nothing he said refuted the original point that winning spotlight is real, which is why secondary producers like Klay, Mo and Pippen don't get media accolade until they get winning spotlight first... Meanwhile, true franchise players and dominant producers like Love, KAT, or AD don't need winning teams or playoff success to get media accolade.
Ultimately, the stats tell the story - Klay and Pippen were carried, which means that the original point stands, i.e. Klay was a lower producer than Hornacek and the Warriors had a trashy +2800 preseason roster, so the 73 wins means Curry is goat-like, not that the roster was stacked - aka Lebron beat a 1-man team with a "big 3" preseason favorite.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15022683]I actually found the vid right after I posted my analysis in the first page. Vid just supported everything I said, which means we are both high IQ.[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll:
just like you weren’t a legit obese child who never played ball :roll:
ya, okay
[QUOTE=warriorfan;15022690]:roll: :roll: :roll:
just like you weren’t a legit obese child who never played ball :roll:
ya, okay[/QUOTE]
I have no reason to lie. My eye test is strong, my analysis was even confirmed by most posters in this thread and Ben Taylor aka "thinking basketball" who is by far the best NBA analyst out there.
Edit: Notice in my first post I brought up my memory about his defense in 2017, I then looked up his defense on YouTube that year and immediately saw a vid of him playing great man D on Kyrie in the Finals. I have exceptional memory.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15022692]I have no reason to lie. My eye test is strong, my analysis was even confirmed by most posters in this thread and Ben Taylor aka "thinking basketball" who is by far the best NBA analyst out there.
Edit: Notice in my first post I brought up my memory about his defense in 2017, I then looked up his defense on YouTube that year and immediately saw a vid of him playing great man D on Kyrie in the Finals. I have exceptional memory.[/QUOTE]
This is the most low iq shit i’ve ever read.
lmfao
[QUOTE=warriorfan;15022695]This is the most low iq shit i’ve ever read.
lmfao[/QUOTE]
Truth hurts
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15022696]Truth hurts[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you were an obese kid who never hooped and have a room temp iq level who literally thinks the moon is a spaceship