Did Shohei Ohtani just have the greatest individual game in sports history?

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15038314]Really, I feel like Maddux doesn't get talked about at all.

I'm not going to say he's necessarily underrated or anything, but since we're on the topic of pitchers from that era, I think it's insane Schilling never made the HOF. He and Johnson were arguably the greatest pitching duo ever in '01, they annihilated everyone in their path including the dynasty Yankees. That's not even mentioning his iconic run with the Sox in '04.[/QUOTE]

In baseball circle I think that Maddux is pretty well-represented. To this day any time a pitcher throws a complete game in under 100 pitches a lot of people call it a "Maddux".

I was living in Atlanta during the Maddux years and he was a guy that chose to keep a low profile. Smoltz was everywhere doing commercials and appearances but Maddux didn't. He had almost reverse charisma.

I played a pickup game with some of the Braves once. Smoltz isn't as big as he looked on TV but Avery was bigger than he looked on TV lol. Afterwards Smoltz was wandering around the gym asking for $10 to pay the guest fee.

:facepalm

Maddux gets talked about in baseball circles for sure. I also come across a lot of content involving Maddox pitching. Roger Clemens lack of mention is due to steroids.

Degrom is a pitcher strictly and had at least a game or 2 hitting a home run winning 1-0. While obviously not as dramatic as a playoff game but how much pressure was it being up 3-0 in a series playing an overmatched and shook team?

You guys thump your chests when he's hitting 3HRs in a 14-0 game. But running up your stats in a blowout win ain't impressing me. Hating aside it was a great game :lol

The Bonds steroid thing is a really slippery slope.

Bonds was great pre-steroids and was already on his way to being one of the best ever, but he still doesn't reach the heights he did without them. He went to a totally different level after taking them, just like McGuire and Sosa. He was better than them so he reached even greater heights.

But the reason I say it's slippery is because where do you draw the line. From the 50's-70's all the players were on amphetamines. If you're gonna call Bonds a cheater because he took steroids then the same logic should apply to them too. Also the guys who were on cocaine during the 80's.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15038383]The Bonds steroid thing is a really slippery slope.

Bonds was great pre-steroids and was already on his way to being one of the best ever, but he still doesn't reach the heights he did without them. He went to a totally different level after taking them, just like McGuire and Sosa. He was better than them so he reached even greater heights.

But the reason I say it's slippery is because where do you draw the line. From the 50's-70's all the players were on amphetamines. If you're gonna call Bonds a cheater because he took steroids then the same logic should apply to them too. Also the guys who were on cocaine during the 80's.[/QUOTE]

Cocaine is not giving you an unfair advantage. What kind of nonsense did you just type? lol The effects of cocaine doesn’t even last long. Nice swing and miss there bud.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15038299]Of all the greatest pitchers in that era I think Clemens actually gets forgotten the most. The later steroid aspect certainly doesn't help but he was such a dawg.

7 Cy's. Only 5 instances in MLB history of 20 K's in a game and he has 2 of them.

You always hear about Maddux (76 pitch complete game shutout), Pedro (4 pitch dominance), and Johnson (struck everyone out) and rightfully so but he doesn't get mentioned much.[/QUOTE]

That’s wild about the 20k’s only 5 times.

Off top of my head if you said Clemens has two.

I remember Kerry Wood had a meteoric rise before injuries and he clocked one in.

I’m guessing the others were Pedro Martinez (who I low key think was modern day goat pitcher) and big unit

[QUOTE=GOBB;15038418]Cocaine is not giving you an unfair advantage. What kind of nonsense did you just type? lol The effects of cocaine doesn’t even last long. Nice swing and miss there bud.[/QUOTE]

Look up greenies dude. Baseball season is a grind and amphetamines are performance enhancers big time.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15038323]I was living in Atlanta during the Maddux years and he was a guy that chose to keep a low profile. Smoltz was everywhere doing commercials and appearances but Maddux didn't. He had almost reverse charisma.

I played a pickup game with some of the Braves once. Smoltz isn't as big as he looked on TV but Avery was bigger than he looked on TV lol. Afterwards Smoltz was wandering around the gym asking for $10 to pay the guest fee.

:facepalm[/QUOTE]

I was a low key Atlanta fan even though I hated them because they were so good in the 90’s. McGriiff and Justice were legit. But their pitching staff was unreal. Maddox, , Glavin, Smoltz, Avery as your number 4 starting pitcher? Ridiculous.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15038323]I was living in Atlanta during the Maddux years and he was a guy that chose to keep a low profile. Smoltz was everywhere doing commercials and appearances but Maddux didn't. He had almost reverse charisma.

I played a pickup game with some of the Braves once. Smoltz isn't as big as he looked on TV but Avery was bigger than he looked on TV lol. Afterwards Smoltz was wandering around the gym asking for $10 to pay the guest fee.

:facepalm[/QUOTE]

:lol

That is good shit

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038250]That would make you like 45. I don't believe you are that old. If so, you have to be the most immature middle aged man I have encountered. :oldlol:

I didn't see pre steroids Bonds but know how highly regarded he was. He peaked as a hitter when he was on steroids though, that isn't even a debate.

Only thing Bonds was better at during the 90's was fielding and stealing bases, but even as a defensive fielder during the 90's he didn't really blow you away, people always shitted on his weak arm.

Mays had the total package. Pre steroids Bonds as a hitter was basically Mays level, Bonds was probably slightly better, but Mays as a defensive fielder was superior, some have him as the best defensive center fielder ever.[/QUOTE]

You are a dumb asshole who doesn’t know much about baseball.

Go **** yourself

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038422]That’s wild about the 20k’s only 5 times.

Off top of my head if you said Clemens has two.

I remember Kerry Wood had a meteoric rise before injuries and he clocked one in.

I’m guessing the others were Pedro Martinez (who I low key think was modern day goat pitcher) and big unit[/QUOTE]

Pedro actually never did it. You called Unit correctly but the other was Max Scherzer in 2017 I believe.

[QUOTE=imdaman99;15038373]Degrom is a pitcher strictly and had at least a game or 2 hitting a home run winning 1-0. While obviously not as dramatic as a playoff game but how much pressure was it being up 3-0 in a series playing an overmatched and shook team?

You guys thump your chests when he's hitting 3HRs in a 14-0 game. [B]But running up your stats in a blowout win ain't impressing me.[/B] Hating aside it was a great game :lol[/QUOTE]

:lol

I know you cooled off just after this but baseball is fundamentally different than basketball. Short of having a position player or a shitty long reliever pitch (which doesn't happen in the playoffs, particularly an elimination game to go the WS), running up the score or coasting isn't a thing. All pitchers are always trying their best to make their pitches and get outs, and all hitters are always trying their best to get on base. Regardless of what the series score is.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038423]Look up greenies dude. Baseball season is a grind and amphetamines are performance enhancers big time.[/QUOTE]

What? I specifically cited cocaine. Read.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15038428]Pedro actually never did it. You called Unit correctly but the other was Max Scherzer in 2017 I believe.[/QUOTE]

Interesting. Sounds about right.

Pedro was insane in his hey day. Had like 4 or 5 pitches that were dirty as ****. Had control, movement, and heat.

Maddox was amazing though he had a huge arsenal too but could dissect pretty much any hitter with a steady diet of low 90’s 2 seem fastballs located perfectly pretty much every single time.