Ben Wallace and Joakim Noah separated in locker room...at half time

[QUOTE=saKf]I'm with Noah on this one.

I can't believe he's the only one who's pissed about players not caring during a loss.[/QUOTE]
57-52 at the half, not nearly the blowout it turned into after noah ruined the teams energy for the second half. laughing and not caring are two entirely different things. What if they laughed cause the other team airballed a layup, or some other oncourt situation that was relatively light hearted?

[QUOTE=boozehound]Next time your team is losing, watch the bench the whole game. There will be laughter.


Im not saying its right, simply that its fairly hypocritical for a guy who just got into a physical confrontation with a coach ( a much bigger no no than laughing) to be trying to bust chops over proper behavior. Again, it has as much to do with how little respect he has garnered from his teammates this season (due to his arrogance, abrasiveness, whatever) as it does the actual incident. Hes not respected, so no one is really going to listen to him (they probably are fed up with his attitude and so forth)[/QUOTE]

If there is laughter it's usually from the guys that don't play much (10-12).
In college we lost a game and two guys that never played (we dressed 15 guys) were laughing between themselves for most of the second half. out next practice we ran suicides for 45 minutes straight as a team then to stop we had to run a suicide under 30 and whom ever finished 1ts could stop but you had to be under 30 seconds. it ended up being almost 1h and a 1/2 of running. Funny thing was this was after our 1st and only loss and was the last game of the season (before playoffs)

[QUOTE=boozehound]because he still has the respect of his teammates? Look we can speculate all we want, but we are really overblowing a undisclosed source media report about a lockeroom altercation. WE cant really know what goes on, but it is clear that his teammates think Noah was way out of line last week. Its stupid to present yourself as a vocal leader in the lockerroom over a really small issue right after your teammates asked the coaching staff to discipline you. Noah's passion may be a great benefit on the court, but it also leads him to make stupid decisions.[/QUOTE]
I can't be completely sure of this, but I suspect Wallace getting more respect from the team has much to do with him being an All-Star, DPoY, and World Champion while Noah is a rookie that most of the players don't want to hear telling them how to do their jobs. It's a case of past accomplishments and reputation getting a guy more slack. That does not, however, make Wallace more right.

I think people are missing the real issue here. Ben Wallace is jealous that Noah now has the best hair on the team.

[I]Nick(Tampa): Coach For the first time in a long time Im confused about the Bulls. Is it fair for Wallace to pick and choose when he wants to be a leader? He turned down being team captain. If Noah wants to win as bad as he says he does. . . does it make sense that he is routinely late, and forgets plays? I need your insight.

SportsNation David Thorpe: (12:04 PM ET ) Noah has made a few mistakes, but is part of the solution without question. Wallace is not. Period.[/I]


from the david thorpe chat

[QUOTE=saKf]I'm with Noah on this one.

I can't believe he's the only one who's pissed about players not caring during a loss.[/QUOTE]
SAKF would you or would you not bench one of kids if he was laughing on the bench during a game your squad is losing?

I'm pretty sure I know your answer already. :)

[QUOTE=boozehound]sure didnt ahve anything to do with their miserable start and the terrible play from their "big" 3 (Kirk, ben, deng) :rolleyes:

get some perspective[/QUOTE]

None of those 3 admitted that they weren't playing hard for Skiles. Only Wallace came out and said that. And Wallace was the guy that went to Reinsdorf with his agent to "consult" about Skiles days before the firing. None of those 3 had anything to do with that.

And for as bad as Hinrich has been, he doesn't come close to Wallace. The guy is having the worst offensive year for a big man in the history of the NBA. And his defense is pathetic too.

Simply put, he is the biggest problem with the team and he has to go today. He is a coach-killing cancer that has more power than anyone in the organization not named Reinsdorf. It's time for the Chairman to step in get him out of there.

[QUOTE=Da KO King]SAKF would you or would you not bench one of kids if he was laughing on the bench during a game your squad is losing?

I'm pretty sure I know your answer already. :)[/QUOTE]

I know this wasn't posed to me, but I'd think it depends on what the players are laughing about. If they're showing a disregard for the game -while winning or losing- then it's a problem. If they're just staying loose, but still paying attention to the game, I'd think it's less of a big deal. If they're laughing at Noah because they hate him, then I'd tread carefully because the team is about to implode.

Does anyone actually know who or what they were laughing about? Or who was laughing?

[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]You can't argue with Wallace's record (Carisle, Brown, Flip, Skiles), but Bulls fas are trying to blame the season on him when he is such a small part of their terribleness.[/QUOTE]

Are you kidding me? Ben Wallace is the primary reason the Bulls are terrible.

First, he's awful on the court, clearly among the worst centers in the NBA this year. Zero offense, spotty defense, doesn't even rebound particularly well.

Second, he's awful off the court, quitting on Scott Skiles so as to get Skiles fired, organizing the players in their disgraceful punishment of Noah (who the heck are this year's Bulls to point fingers at anybody?), laughing his butt off as the team gets destroyed.

On a young team with meek personalities, the guy who was signed to be the team's role model, is a dog without a collar.

Yesterday, Noah busted his ass for 12 points, 11 rebounds. Wallace jogged to 4 points, 3 boards. And laughed.

In the 20 years that I have watched the Bulls, nobody ever brought down a squad like Wallace is doing this year.

[QUOTE=dak121]
And for as bad as Hinrich has been, he doesn't come close to Wallace. The guy is having the worst offensive year for a big man in the history of the NBA.
[/QUOTE]
did you follow him before you signed him? He has always been a terrible baller (apparently he has small hands and can barely palm the ball). Now that hes lost some of his athletic ability, a 6'7" (ive heard hes really closer to 6'6") guy playing the 5 is going to suck offensively. his only offense was on alleys, blown assignments, and putbacks. Hes probably shorter than the average sf in the nba today. I dont doubt he had a role, but its pretty clear as an outsider he is only one part of the problem (and skiles approach to the players, not just wallace, seems to have been a part of it. Just cause they havent comeout and said it doesnt mean they hadnt tuned his aggressive barfight provoking style ass out).

Joakim Noah for Andrea Bargnani?

- Bargnani is quiet and seemingly doesn't give a damn about anything. Perfect fit alongside guys who will laugh after losses.

- Noah is fiery but Sam Mitchell would bodyslam him in an instant if he crosses the line.

EDIT: Stupid typo... brain not working too well.

[QUOTE=Qwyjibo]JBargnani is quiet and seemingly doesn't give a damn about anything. Perfect fit alongside guys who will laugh after wins.[/QUOTE]
It's so strange to see Raptor fans say the kind of things I did about Bargnani after all the venom spewed in my direction for saying them.

[QUOTE=Patrick27]Noah's often tardy and got into a scuffle with his current coach. Are you sure about that?[/QUOTE]

Ah, I did not know about the lateness. Yeah, that would go over poorly.

How could anyone see how much of a duuchebag Noah was before he got into the nba and not anticipate this? I mean, i'm surprised it took THIS long.

Not to say he's wrong about being miffed guys are laughing on the bench, but as a rookie guys dont take well to you telling them about it, right or wrong. If it wasn't this, it would have been something else, i guarantee you. Thats Noah for you.

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=bQ3y5hTHuP4[/url]

okay maybe everybody missed this on the first page - please

try turning off your sound and then watch...