Larry Bird discussion

[quote=Sir Charles][B]

Bird schooled and destroyed the NBA :confusedshrug:

[U]Today`s game is Slow Half Court-like WHich is exactly [/U] [SIZE=4][COLOR=DarkGreen]BIRD`S NEST[/COLOR][/SIZE]...That is his Game!, His Mind Gime!...Today`s Players Would be Fallen into His Style of Play except these players have:

ZERO B-BALL IQ, ZERO FUNDAMENTALS, ZERO INTELLIGENCE, ZERO COURT AWARENESS, ZERO BOXING OUT SKILLS, ZERO HEART, ZERO SKILL, ZERO PASSING, ZERO SHOOTING, ZERO CLUTCH when compared to Bird.

Bird would not only benefit more from the Slow Half Court game but the Zone Defense. Bird was a Free Defender that was always in the right place and right time.

To End this:

Bird was Black-Man`s Worst Nightmare to be Humilated By...Exactly What Most Overlooked: :oldlol: :cheers:

[COLOR=darkgreen][COLOR=darkgreen]A Slow White Guy that Can`t Jump as the Stereotype[/COLOR][/COLOR]

but he Schooled the NBA :violin:

[COLOR=Orange]Same with Magic, A Tall INTELLIGENT Black Player that Can`t Dunk Very Nice and Thinks Team 1st[/COLOR]

Stereotype of the Black Man that Jumps High, Does Flashy Dunks and Thinks of Himself Before Winning[/B]

[COLOR=Blue][B]That is Magic and Bird will always be linked
[SIZE=5]That is Magic Schooled the NBA at age 36 play PF-Point Guard and humilated actual stars of today`s game in teh 2000s.[/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]


:sleeping[/quote]

Magic came back in 1995 not 2000. And for the last ****ing time I said they would be good players in today's game not elite players. They would have an advantage fundamentals wise, but do not compare to the wing athletes of today. And you cannot tell me Bird would have the same impact in the posts today as he did in the 80's.

[QUOTE=Godfather]Lol you idiot the hornets wouldn't have Chris Paul guarding Magic Johnson (what is that a 9'' height difference)... I just think in today's game Magic would be an excellent player on an NBA wing directing an NBA offense like LeBron James does (or better), but would not be as efficient of a rebounder and scorer. And I never said anything abour John Stockton and Isiah.[/QUOTE]

[B]Not as Efficient as Rebounder? :roll: :roll: :applause:

Magic was one of the Strongest Players in the NBA people overlook his Smily Face and Happy Style of Game but to Move Magic out of a Rebound was no easy job even for PFs and Cs and this before he came back [U][I]at age 36! all bulked up at around 255 lbs![/I][/U]

Magic Johnson at age 36 playingthe PF Spot (yes [I]Guarded[/I] Not By SFs, whom are those who Guard Lebron, but [I]PF[/I]s!)

[U]At age 36! Not 32, not 30, not his 20s AND YES....

AFTER NOT PLAYING PRO 4-5 YEARS (not 1 but 4-5!) :roll:[/U]

[U]1996 stats:[/U]

Season:

29.9 MPG (Not 37-40 MPG)
RPG: 5.7
RPG per 36 Minutes: 6.9
TRB%: 11.1% (Lebron`s Highest at age 24 Prime and Healthy is the same: 11.1% playing SF NOT PF, I Repeat NOT PF!)

Play-Offs:

33.8 MPG
RPG: [SIZE="4"]8.5 !![/SIZE]
TRB%: [SIZE="4"]14.5[/SIZE] (Lebron not even Close)

:hammerhead: :banghead: :violin: :sleeping

At age 36!
Not Playin for 4-5 Years
Not as a SF
I reapeat not as SF
but as a PF [/B]

[QUOTE=Godfather]Magic came back in 1995 not 2000. And for the last ****ing time I said they would be good players in today's game not elite players. They would have an advantage fundamentals wise, but do not compare to the wing athletes of today. And you cannot tell me Bird would have the same impact in the posts today as he did in the 80's.[/QUOTE]

[B]:no: What are you 19 years old? :oldlol:

[U][COLOR="Blue"]April 25, 1996[/COLOR][/U]

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199604250LAL.html[/url]

36 year old Magic as a PF playing against: Horry, Drexler and Hakeem

Game 1

36 minutes = 13 Rebounds

Game 2

31 Minutes = 7 Rebounds

Game 3

39 munutes = 9 Rebounds

Game 4

38 Miutes = 5 Rebounds

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36 MPG
8.5 RPG

At age 36
Playing PF (not SF)
Not Playin 4-5 Years Pro :hammerhead: :violin: :sleeping [/B]

[QUOTE=Godfather]Magic came back in 1995 not 2000. And for the last ****ing time I said they would be good players in today's game not elite players. They would have an advantage fundamentals wise, but do not compare to the wing athletes of today. And you cannot tell me Bird would have the same impact in the posts today as he did in the 80's.[/QUOTE]

Listen, I'm not going to beat this into the ground, but Magic and Larry are two of the consensus top 10 players in NBA history. Only Tim Duncan of current NBA players even approaches the top 10. You say they couldn't compete with the wing players of today, well lets flip that script. How would these wing players of today fare in the 80s? I'm guessing not that good. They'd be pile-drived into the hardwood and I don't put too much faith in their ability to adjust. Since defensive game-planning rules the day these days because, simply put, most of today's stars have proven they can't adjust to a defensive game-plan (Kobe, Lebron), I don't think they'd fare too well in different eras where they'd have to actually adjust their game. Fact is, you couldn't game-plan for Magic or Larry Legend, who were masters of adjusting their game to fit their teams' or the game's needs. They were always one step ahead. That's why no one ever waited for Magic or Larry to win a ring, yet all you hear today is "can Kobe win without Shaq?" and "who will LeBron be with in 2010?"

[QUOTE=RonySeikalyFTW]Listen, I'm not going to beat this into the ground, but Magic and Larry are two of the consensus top 10 players in NBA history. Only Tim Duncan of current NBA players even approaches the top 10. You say they couldn't compete with the wing players of today, well lets flip that script. How would these wing players of today fare in the 80s? I'm guessing not that good. They'd be pile-drived into the hardwood and I don't put too much faith in their ability to adjust. Since defensive game-planning rules the day these days because, simply put, most of today's stars have proven they can't adjust to a defensive game-plan (Kobe, Lebron), I don't think they'd fare too well in different eras where they'd have to actually adjust their game. Fact is, you couldn't game-plan for Magic or Larry Legend, who were masters of adjusting their game to fit their teams' or the game's needs. They were always one step ahead. That's why no one ever waited for Magic or Larry to win a ring, yet all you hear today is "can Kobe win without Shaq?" and "who will LeBron be with in 2010?"[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="Blue"][B]Bird is a Top 6 All Time EFF Player get that straight people :rolleyes: [/B][/COLOR]

[B][U]Shaq and Duncan are the one Real Great Players in the NBA (those guys are comparable to guys like Bird, McHale, Magic, Kareem, Charles, Jordan, Hakeem, Stockton, Malone etc)[/U]

Then you have the Garnett`s, Lebron`s, Kobe`s, Dirk`s, Wade`s...

Below that scale the Nashe`s etc[/B]

[COLOR="Blue"][B]Including the Greatest Finals Series In NBA History in Part 1, Ever![/B][/COLOR]

[B][SIZE="4"]1984 [COLOR="DarkGreen"]Celtics[/COLOR] vs[COLOR="Orange"] Lakers[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=JV4GGoFGU4E&feature=related[/url]

[B]Part 2[/B]

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=QNh3wbRrn-8&feature=related[/url]

[B]Part 3[/B]

[SIZE="4"][COLOR="DarkGreen"][B]Greatest Team of All Time: 1986 Boston Celtics[/B][/SIZE][/COLOR]

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=jKSy3QjXQa4&feature=related[/url]

Sir Charles, All that **** you wrote doesnt change the fact Duncan>Barkley

so are you gonna change your name to larry legend now?

[QUOTE=AItheAnswer3]Sir Charles, All that **** you wrote doesnt change the fact Duncan>Barkley[/QUOTE]

[B]:no: Shot Blocking and Interior Defense is not enough to be better than Barkley because Barkley is Better than Duncan in all the rest of things which are more than two :confusedshrug: [/B]

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]:no: Shot Blocking and Interior Defense is not enough to be better than Barkley because Barkley is Better than Duncan in all the rest of things which are more than two :confusedshrug: [/B][/QUOTE]

Since you consider Barkley the GOAT PF from 86 to 96 why didnt he make the All-NBA 1st team every year? Also if you look at career achievements Duncan flatout kills Barkley. Though I agree Duncan didnt have it as hard as Barkley did.

Some of you have never seen Magic or Bird play I presume. Go watch them, and stand in awe. I haven't seen players like them YET.

[QUOTE=Thorpesaurous]I think a lot of the increase in FT is related to the on ball touch fouls that became so prominent in the last four or five years. Teams are getting buried in bonus situations because refs are making tick tack calls on the ball, and probably even more so in terms of percentage versus years ago off the ball. Especially early in the game when they're trying to set a standard for the game. And every year it's at it's worst at the start of the season, then tapers off.
Anyway, there's some interesting stuff in this thread if you can sift through all the crap. And while I disagree to an extent with Miles and Plowking, you've both made some good cases.

That's a great post from RonySeikley too.[/QUOTE]

All of those supporting the 80's and 90's are simply ignoring the facts and don't want to accept that todays era is just as good as back then.

"Players back in the 80's and 90's were better shooters thus they had way better FG%"

Stats are shown that todays players take more jumpshots due to zone thus the lower FG%, and that all up the TS% is approximately the same.


"Now there are too many fouls called, it is all soft"

Stats show that there were more fouls called in the 80's by a good 5 free throws.


"Passing, Bball IQ, and fundamentals have all decreased"

Thats why you have players like Jose Calderon, Chris Paul, Nash, Deron averaging insanely high assist numbers, in particular Paul and Calderon in the limited minutes he played last year.
Furthermore you have Chris Paul averaging something like 2.6 turnovers while averaging something like 11.5 assists. I'd say that fundamentals are getting better when players are finding a way to keep the ball safe and still average incredible passing numbers.

"Defense is not as good as it was now"

Then there is a double standard where they say todays rules help the offensive player (which I disagree with), yet scores are being kept at the same number approximately. So therefore defense is getting better going by statistics and further rules put in place.

Bird is the 2nd greatest player after MJ.

[QUOTE=LarryLegend33]Bird is the 2nd greatest player after MJ.[/QUOTE]

Based on what exactly?

Who wins?

08 garnett allen and pierce are way to much for the slower unathletic 84 celtics.

Magic played with a top 5 player all time. Give Bird Kareem and let him play out west and Bird ends up with 10 titles.

uh oh...

[QUOTE=LarryLegend33]Magic played with a top 5 player all time. Give Bird Kareem and let him play out west and Bird ends up with 10 titles.[/QUOTE]

:sleeping

good luck with that pal.

[QUOTE=Mamba]08 garnett allen and pierce are way to much for the slower unathletic 84 celtics.[/QUOTE]

:roll:

GTFOH.

Bird would piss on Garnett

[QUOTE=LarryLegend33]Magic played with a top 5 player all time. Give Bird Kareem and let him play out west and Bird ends up with 10 titles.[/QUOTE]
Another troll.

What's with all the Bird threads lately?

[QUOTE=Mamba]08 garnett allen and pierce are way to much for the slower unathletic 84 celtics.[/QUOTE]

yeah thats kind of dumb and uneducateed and ignorant in 84 that was Larry Legend's best year [B]HIS PRIME[/B] how on earth is paul pierce going to stop Larry Bird in his prime honestly

There is a reason Micheal Jordan said if Bird had the athleticism of some of the guys today, he would be without question, no doubt in anyone's mind, the greatest player to ever touch a basketball.

Bird > Magic.

'84 Celtics in 5.

[QUOTE=Mamba]08 garnett allen and pierce are way to much for the slower unathletic 84 celtics.[/QUOTE]
I want to think that that was sarcasm.

Where O where to begin:roll:

Magic was 3 years younger than Bird

Magic could play all 5 positons.

Kareem was NOT at a top 5 all-time level when he played with Magic, he was old.

Magic beat Bird 3-1 in head to head championship play(NCAA, 3 Finals)

In fact the last time they met in 87 Magic THROTTLED him.

Why the '84 Celtics and not the far superior '86 version? They actually had a bench then. The '08 Celtics would manhandle the '84 Celts...but '86 would probably involve some barn burners and brawls.

There's a reason why most knowledgeable basketball experts who evaluate league history, without having an obvious ulterior agenda, rate Magic above Bird. The versatility, the ability to affect all phases of the game, the leadership.... it all favors the Magic Man.

No doubt this subject has been debated ad infinitum. When all is said and done, though, Magic is Top 5, while Bird is in the Top 10.

[QUOTE=Godfather]For that matter I don't believe Magic could do what he did in his era. Magic would be unable to play all 5 positions like he did previously and would be unable to consistently run the point. Instead he would play a role similar to LeBron in the Cleveland passing scheme (be the secondary passer who can rack up assists) also he rebound and point total would also decline in today's game (due to being unable to have such authority around the rim). A player who could succeed in all facets (like I previously stated) was a Charles Barkley or a Karl Malone, who possess the all around athleticism to compare to and dominate today's players.[/QUOTE]

Magic is a much better athlete than you think and u act as if the league is stocked with great athletic defenders. like who Larry Hughes? Carmelo? JR Smith? Bron? D-Wade? you think Kobe could shut down Magic? Chris Paul? Deron? Tayshaun? there were always some defenders that gave Magic problems but on the whole today's cats would get waxed.

Name me one PG today that can go end to end faster than Magic.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJYO--zM5Vs[/url]

[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]There's a reason why most knowledgeable basketball experts who evaluate league history, without having an obvious ulterior agenda, rate Magic above Bird. The versatility, the ability to affect all phases of the game, the leadership.... it all favors the Magic Man.

No doubt this subject has been debated ad infinitum. When all is said and done, though, Magic is Top 5, while Bird is in the Top 10.[/QUOTE]

Many people, maybe even the majority, put Bird in the top 5 as well.

They were both great players who won multiple MVP's. If you took a poll among people who actually watched them in their primes and asked who was better the voting would probably be pretty even. I am not even sure which one i would vote for.

[QUOTE]They were equal, but Magic was more entertaining and likable..
Magic wasn't as good a scorer, but he could score.
Magic WAS a better passer and playmaker, although Bird was great too.
Bird was a much better defender and rebounder.
They were both CLUTCH x 10,000.
Larry was smarter.
Magic was more,well, MAGICAL.

Larry wouldn't have won 10 titles with jabbar.
It would've been f#@king unstoppable sick in the half court though.
Larry was dominant in 1/2 court defense and offense.
But Byron Scott and Worthy needed magic to run.
Larry wasn't DOMINANT leading the break like Magic.
Magic put on a better show. [/QUOTE]

Larry wasn't a better defender than Magic, he was just guarding guys his own size or or a little smaller most of the time. Magic was at a disadvantage at his position. Hell Magic led the league in steals.

Magic was just as a good a rebounder...except he was grabbing boards from the PG position, hes not going to get as many as a guy playing from the 3.

Bird was a better shooter. He was more of a high volume scorer BUT, Magic shot significantly higher from the field(he was more efficient) he was better at getting to the rack and had a great post game.

[QUOTE=DULLAH]Top 5 all time:
#1. Jordan
#2. Jabbar
#3. Magic
#4. Bird
#5. Can't call it[/QUOTE]


#5. Wilt Chamberlain

[QUOTE=Mamba]08 garnett allen and pierce are way to much for the slower unathletic 84 celtics.[/QUOTE]

I highlighted your post to look for the "jk" in white. Maybe you forgot to put it there? :confusedshrug:

Anyway, someone should run this through WIS and see who comes out on top. My money is on the 84 Celtics.

I would say they're both pretty even but I guess Bird is better in clutch situations while Magic is better at running the offense

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2wA0Xt0EHw"]Game 4[/URL]