NBA has suspended Gilbert Arenas indefinitely until investigation ends

BTW, the **** coming out, it looks liek some of this being gambling related, etc. might be true. Washington post just broke something. This thought that he was just stupidly showing his guns to critterton seems like wishful thinking.

Remember when O.J. Simspon just got acquitted of murder, then outside he was laughing it up with his lawyers Cochran and Shapiro, making those mocking stabbing motions?



Good times..........

Do some people only care about money?

He won't be able to spend any of his money in prison if he gets convicted.

[QUOTE=Long Duck Dong]If he gets charged and convicted of a felony, he might not be able to get a visa to work overseas.[/QUOTE]

Not only that, would he even be allowed in most countries? I know if you're entering the USA (from Canada) with a criminal record they will turn you away.

He really ****ed up this time and this is only the beginning.

This all whole incident.. is just so stupid.. wizards just might get his contract voided.

[QUOTE=thejumpa]Yeah, but how much will he stand to lose this season? 10 mil maybe? That's a lot of money obviously, but he will be payed tons in the future. Based off everything we have seen, past and present, they won't be able to void his contract.[/QUOTE]
they can and will. If he gets convicted of or pleads guilty to a felony its automatic.

[QUOTE=icemanfan]they can and will. If he gets convicted of or pleads guilty to a felony its automatic.[/QUOTE]
yeah..the nba is probably the least of his problems at this point

I would feel bad for him if he wasn't such a moron.

1) Says it's not that big of a deal

2) Makes fun of David Stern

3) Pretends to shoot his teammates

4) Questionable twitter comments

... This guy shot himself in the foot multiple times. I hope he doesn't lose his contract, but if he does he's got no one to blame but himself.

[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]I would feel bad for him if he wasn't such a moron.

1) Says it's not that big of a deal

2) Makes fun of David Stern

3) Pretends to shoot his teammates

4) Questionable twitter comments

... This guy shot himself in the foot multiple times. I hope he doesn't lose his contract, but if he does he's got no one to blame but himself.[/QUOTE]

It is not a big deal, what a ridiculous league and a ridiculous country obsessed with security. I can't believe most of you guys are defending Stern.

For a country that pretends to defend liberty you're quick to judge and condemn a guy whose only fault was to make a joke. I knew Stern wanted to attract chinese viewers to the NBA but he took it a little too far, giving his best imitation of the chinese government.

If the US doesn't want him I'm sure there's a place for him here in Europe.

[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]I would feel bad for him if he wasn't such a moron.

1) Says it's not that big of a deal

2) Makes fun of David Stern

3) Pretends to shoot his teammates

4) Questionable twitter comments

... This guy shot himself in the foot multiple times. I hope he doesn't lose his contract, but if he does he's got no one to blame but himself.[/QUOTE]


This

I like Gilbert Arenas as a player, but he's a very stupid individual.

[QUOTE=Nero Tulip]
If the US doesn't want him I'm sure there's a place for him here in Europe.[/QUOTE]

I doubt Europe is that desperate for players.

[QUOTE=Nero Tulip]It is not a big deal, what a ridiculous league and a ridiculous country obsessed with security. I can't believe most of you guys are defending Stern.

For a country that pretends to defend liberty you're quick to judge and condemn a guy whose only fault was to make a joke. I knew Stern wanted to attract chinese viewers to the NBA but he took it a little too far, giving his best imitation of the chinese government.

If the US doesn't want him I'm sure there's a place for him here in Europe.[/QUOTE]

When did I defend David Stern? I don't think Gilbert Arenas should be suspended indefinitely. I have no comment on his contract being voided, but Arenas hasn't exactly helped his situation by his comments and actions.

You think guns are a laughing matter? How old are you? There are many stories going around, and when there's smoke there's usually fire. I don't know about you, but if a co-worker of mine took out a couple of guns and told me to playfully shoot him in the knee I wouldn't be laughing. I would think that guy is mentally insane.

[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]When did I defend David Stern? I don't think Gilbert Arenas should be suspended indefinitely. I have no comment on his contract being voided, but Arenas hasn't exactly helped his situation by his comments and actions.

You think guns are a laughing matter? How old are you? There are many stories going around, and when there's smoke there's usually fire. I don't know about you, but if a co-worker of mine took out a couple of guns and told me to playfully shoot him in the knee I wouldn't be laughing. I would think that guy is mentally insane.[/QUOTE]
Damn right. Just ask the family of Jayson Williams victim how stable a man playing with guns is. The NBA has been down this road before and they do not want to go where it leads.

[QUOTE=Nero Tulip]It is not a big deal, what a ridiculous league and a ridiculous country obsessed with security. I can't believe most of you guys are defending Stern.

For a country that pretends to defend liberty you're quick to judge and condemn a guy whose only fault was to make a joke. I knew Stern wanted to attract chinese viewers to the NBA but he took it a little too far, giving his best imitation of the chinese government.

If the US doesn't want him I'm sure there's a place for him here in Europe.[/QUOTE]
I am glad to hear you guys have no laws where your at. Over here though we have laws and all citizens are required to follow those laws. Even damn near mentally retarded stupid ass joking basketball players.

[QUOTE=icemanfan]Damn right. Just ask the family of Jayson Williams victim how stable a man playing with guns is. The NBA has been down this road before and they do not want to go where it leads.[/QUOTE]

Jayson Williams had been drinking and was playing around with a loaded shotgun....two completely different situations. Not only that, but someone actually died.

[QUOTE=thejumpa]Jayson Williams had been drinking and was playing around with a loaded shotgun....two completely different situations. Not only that, but someone actually died.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but Jayson Williams was just showing someone a gun he owned in the privacy of his own home. Which isn't nearly as bad as taking guns to work and jokingly telling someone to shoot you with them. What if Gil left a bullet in the chamber of one of his guns and Javaris "jokingly" took a shot at Gil? What if Javaris actually played along and pointed the gun at Gil and a security guard shot Javaris down? What if Javaris saw Gils gun, thought he was going to get shot, and shot Gil with his own gun? These are all reasons why you don't bring a gun to work and joke around with them. Yeah different jobs have different rules. A cop can bring a gun to work, but at elementary school teacher can't. Just because a stripper can be butt naked at work doesn't mean you can too. The NBA is a place where you don't bring guns to work. Gilbert Arenas not only showed poor judgment, he followed that by showing that he didn't take any of this seriously. He got what he deserved.

[QUOTE=monkeypox]Yeah, but Jayson Williams was just showing someone a gun he owned in the privacy of his own home. Which isn't nearly as bad as taking guns to work and jokingly telling someone to shoot you with them. What if Gil left a bullet in the chamber of one of his guns and Javaris "jokingly" took a shot at Gil? What if Javaris actually played along and pointed the gun at Gil and a security guard shot Javaris down? What if Javaris saw Gils gun, thought he was going to get shot, and shot Gil with his own gun? These are all reasons why you don't bring a gun to work and joke around with them. Yeah different jobs have different rules. A cop can bring a gun to work, but at elementary school teacher can't. Just because a stripper can be butt naked at work doesn't mean you can too. The NBA is a place where you don't bring guns to work. Gilbert Arenas not only showed poor judgment, he followed that by showing that he didn't take any of this seriously. He got what he deserved.[/QUOTE]
Not really defending Arenas here, he's an idiot, but you're not really accounting for the fact that Williams Killed someone. I repeat: Williams killed someone. Arenas may or may not have been joking, but the Crittenton family is not holding a funeral right now. As stupid as Arenas was, he didn't cross that line past which there is no turning back. He will be punished hard. He may lose his contract. Worst case, he does a year or two of hard time and maybe can't get back into the NBA afterward. But he is not a murderer. Williams may have been messing around himself, perhaps he had no intion of huurting anyone at the time. But he IS a murderer. Some kid lost their daddy, some woman lost her husband, etc. That is a huge difference, regardless of intention.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Not really defending Arenas here, he's an idiot, but you're not really accounting for the fact that Williams Killed someone. I repeat: Williams killed someone. Arenas may or may not have been joking, but the Crittenton family is not holding a funeral right now. As stupid as Arenas was, he didn't cross that line past which there is no turning back. He will be punished hard. He may lose his contract. Worst case, he does a year or two of hard time and maybe can't get back into the NBA afterward. But he is not a murderer. Williams may have been messing around himself, perhaps he had no intion of huurting anyone at the time. But he IS a murderer. Some kid lost their daddy, some woman lost her husband, etc. That is a huge difference, regardless of intention.[/QUOTE]

Williams committed homicide, not murder so I wouldn't call Williams a murderer since he had no intent. Besides I'm not talking about end result, I'm talking about the act that Arenas is getting punished for here. The Williams incident, which was far milder than Arenas', led to a homicide. It wasn't a big deal till something went terribly wrong. Arenas is getting punished for the potential harm that his reckless and idiotic actions could have caused and the reason why the rules were put in to place. This, like drunk driving, isn't something you apply the "no harm, no foul" rule to. If one NBA player get's in to a car accident and kills someone and another drives drunk and just hits a tree, the drunk guys action is worse even thought no one died in his accident.

[QUOTE=monkeypox]Williams committed homicide, not murder so I wouldn't call Williams a murderer since he had no intent. Besides I'm not talking about end result, I'm talking about the act that Arenas is getting punished for here. The Williams incident, which was far milder than Arenas', led to a homicide. It wasn't a big deal till something went terribly wrong. Arenas is getting punished for the potential harm that his reckless and idiotic actions could have caused and the reason why the rules were put in to place. This, like drunk driving, isn't something you apply the "no harm, no foul" rule to. If one NBA player get's in to a car accident and kills someone and another drives drunk and just hits a tree, the drunk guys action is worse even thought no one died in his accident.[/QUOTE]
Your distinction is meaningless. Of course Williams' act "wasn't a big deal till something went terribly wrong." And Arenas' incident wouldn't matter to anyone on a national level if stories hadn't come out. And? Arenas never pulled a trigger, unlike Williams. Williams was punished more severely by the law because his crime was more severe, and that's pretty much all there is to it. It's not like Williams wasn't being "reckless and idiotic."

[QUOTE=niko]not broke from gambling, but there is actually a good percentage of nba players who lose most if not all of their money after retirement. i don't remember the pct but it was a "you have to be ****ing kidding" kind of percentage. we are picking on the nba but its not just them, its all athletes.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that it's like 70+ percent who go bankrupt.

Hey Wiz fans (do any exist?), TJ Ford for Mike James and Crittendon (immediately waived).

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]Hey Wiz fans (do any exist?), TJ Ford for Mike James and Crittendon (immediately waived).[/QUOTE]

LOL the Wizards aren't looking to add any salary. They have financial problems of their own.

(don't have time to read through this thread, so maybe this has already been addressed)

Seems to me that when major stuff like this goes down in the NBA, that league takes a MUCH harder hit than when big time controversy rocks other sports.

I hope people don't use this to judge the character of the league as a whole. This isn't the Malace in the Palace or anything like that.

It will be 3 years of limited basketball for Arenas now. Unless they can somehow void his contract, the deal he got has to go down as one of the most outrageous contracts of all time. This team will be mediocre for years as a result (that, and their other dealings)

[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]When did I defend David Stern? I don't think Gilbert Arenas should be suspended indefinitely. I have no comment on his contract being voided, but Arenas hasn't exactly helped his situation by his comments and actions.

You think guns are a laughing matter? How old are you? There are many stories going around, and when there's smoke there's usually fire. I don't know about you, but if a co-worker of mine took out a couple of guns and told me to playfully shoot him in the knee I wouldn't be laughing. I would think that guy is mentally insane.[/QUOTE]

I don't care if it's a laughing matter, and I am not saying I agree with Arenas. I don't even like the guy. But even Stern admitted that he suspended him for the little joke at the end of last game. That's the shocking part for me. That someone is suspended for a joke. Even a bad one.

Icemanfan: we have laws, and far less gun problems and more security in Western Europe. But we do not have laws against jokes, thank god.

[quote=ALBballer]LOL the Wizards aren't looking to add any salary. They have financial problems of their own.[/quote]

Hey, if they're able to void his contract that obviously solves a lot of money woes and they're saving cash while he's suspended anyway. 50% of lost money by a suspended player gets deducted from the cap.

[QUOTE=Nero Tulip]I don't care if it's a laughing matter, and I am not saying I agree with Arenas. I don't even like the guy. But even Stern admitted that he suspended him for the little joke at the end of last game. That's the shocking part for me. That someone is suspended for a joke. Even a bad one.

Icemanfan: we have laws, and far less gun problems and more security in Western Europe. But we do not have laws against jokes, thank god.[/QUOTE]
But it's like, there's a time and a place for these "jokes." It'd be like if OJ Simpson during the time of his trial started leaving his house with gloves on... I mean, come on, it was just stupid and inappropriate for him to draw that kind of negative attention to himself when he was already under the gun (no pun intended:D)

[QUOTE=Nero Tulip]we have laws, and far less gun problems and more security in Western Europe. But we do not have laws against jokes, thank god.[/QUOTE]

Who said he was being arrested for a joke? He brought firearms into a sporting arena in Washington, D.C., which has strict gun control. That's the only thing he'll be charged for, not for a joke. He's being suspended for that, which is completely reasonable for the NBA to do.

Comprehension is not a strong suit for a lot of people I see.

[QUOTE=mlh1981](don't have time to read through this thread, so maybe this has already been addressed)

Seems to me that when major stuff like this goes down in the NBA, that league takes a MUCH harder hit than when big time controversy rocks other sports.

I hope people don't use this to judge the character of the league as a whole. This isn't the Malace in the Palace or anything like that.

It will be 3 years of limited basketball for Arenas now. Unless they can somehow void his contract, the deal he got has to go down as one of the most outrageous contracts of all time. This team will be mediocre for years as a result (that, and their other dealings)[/QUOTE]
Won't be nearly as bad for one simple reason: It's not on tape. The Malice incident was a live NBA broadcast.

[QUOTE=C-Webb4]But it's like, there's a time and a place for these "jokes." It'd be like if OJ Simpson during the time of his trial started leaving his house with gloves on... I mean, come on, it was just stupid and inappropriate for him to draw that kind of negative attention to himself when he was already under the gun (no pun intended:D)[/QUOTE]

You're entitled to your opinion, and I fully understand and respect it. But agree or disagree with him, he shouldn't be suspended for it.

Of course it was stupid, so what. That's not a reason to suspend him.

[QUOTE=Alhazred]Who said he was being arrested for a joke?[/QUOTE]

I'm talking about the suspension.

[quote=Alhazred][COLOR=Gray][B]He brought firearms into a sporting arena in Washington, D.C., which has strict gun control.[/B][/COLOR][/quote]

[COLOR=Teal][B]Yeah, yet he's able to sneak by security and lock his weaponry in a safe deposit inside the arena, well done Agent Zero...talk about strict gun control.

Know what? I'm not saying something would've happened, but can you imagine the backlash at the lax security had a REAL gunfight broken out? He shouldn't have been able to smuggle in his guns in the first place.

Fans have every right to be outraged by all of this ya know. I wouldn't feel safe inside a sports arena into which an athlete can bring guns that easily.[/B][/COLOR] :no:

[QUOTE=Nero Tulip]You're entitled to your opinion, and I fully understand and respect it. But agree or disagree with him, he shouldn't be suspended for it.

Of course it was stupid, so what. That's not a reason to suspend him.



I'm talking about the suspension.[/QUOTE]

He violated a rule that the NBA has that calls for a suspension if he violates it. So, you are just wrong. You can't change the rules to fit your opinion of what you think is ok or not.

[QUOTE=Nero Tulip]
I'm talking about the suspension.[/QUOTE]

You posted this before.

[quote]But we do not have [b]laws against jokes[/b], thank god.[/quote]

The suspension is perfectly reasonable. He brought weapons into his place of work and then joked about it in front of 20,000 people. I wouldn't want my employees bringing weapons into a sporting arena, either(Assuming I had any).

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Not really defending Arenas here, he's an idiot, but you're not really accounting for the fact that Williams Killed someone. I repeat: Williams killed someone. [/QUOTE]
The point I think you're missing is that the Jayson Williams gun situation was a progression. He didn't all of a sudden one tragic evening start playing around with guns. I remember reading articles about drunken target practice sessions long before the killing. There was even a rumor that he used to kill stray dogs for fun.

In Gilbert's case, the guns were unloaded but if this "outing" hadn't happened, who knows where things would have gone from there? Would Arenas, with his warped sense of humor have regarded it as out of bounds to bring a loaded gun to the locker room one day in the future? Can anyone say with certainty that he would have? I can't.

That's why Stern had to nip this in the bud. Had the league taken action when Jayson Williams' fascination with guns started to turn bizarre and dangerous, its possible that the limo driver would still be alive today.

[QUOTE=sbw19]Yeah, yet he's able to sneak by security and lock his weaponry in a safe deposit inside the arena, well done Agent Zero...talk about strict gun control.
[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I meant to say "strict gun control [b]laws[/b]". My mistake.

[quote=Alhazred][COLOR=Gray][B]Sorry, I meant to say "strict gun control laws". My mistake.[/B][/COLOR][/quote]

[COLOR=Teal][B]Nice of you to apologize, but it's really unnecessary. I perfectly understood what you meant, I just wanted to point out to the security angle because it seemed lost in the shuffle, and found in your comment a suitable pretext.[/B][/COLOR]

I am ashamed of Gil and his actions. Our Wizards will be the target of the NBA the rest of the year. I know Mr. Pollin must be turning over in his grave. He has strong vews on stuff like this.

[QUOTE=Nero Tulip]You're entitled to your opinion, and I fully understand and respect it. But agree or disagree with him, he shouldn't be suspended for it.

Of course it was stupid, so what. That's not a reason to suspend him.



I'm talking about the suspension.[/QUOTE]
if you think he was suspended for the joke you are dumb. It did playa role in stern deciding to suspend him before the criminal investigation was done, but he was suspended for violating a very specific nba rule (no guns at nba events). The joke just reaffirmed how lightly gilbo was taking the situation and that didnt sit well will stern.

[QUOTE=boozehound]if you think he was suspended for the joke you are dumb. It did playa role in stern deciding to suspend him before the criminal investigation was done, but he was suspended for violating a very specific nba rule (no guns at nba events). The joke just reaffirmed how lightly gilbo was taking the situation and that didnt sit well will stern.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. I'm sure if he wasn't joking around about this stuff, he wouldn't be suspended right now. But he's a moron. I'm sure David Stern was pondering what exactly he was going to do about this situation, and then Gilbert's joking approach to it gave him a clear answer.

Another wasted athlete. Its pretty sad. This guy had so much promise and then injuries and a bad attitude f***** it all up.

Now watch his contract get voided and then the Lakers sign him next year to the MLE to be there starting PG. :rolleyes:

I love how people are waiting on this guys contract to get voided. Didn't happen before, not gonna happen now...keep wishing.

I've always wondered this, though. If you are in this much trouble, why can't you just make a call to David Stern to explain the situation? I mean, a quick phone call directly to Stern couldn't hurt anything. Any time I felt that I was in trouble at work, I felt it was better to go talk to the boss myself. If anything, it would prevent a whole lot of media/idiotic fan BS AND clear up some things. Just sayin...