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[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]First half of his career; not true.
Second half; true.[/QUOTE]
I never really saw Yao as a dominant player.
In fact I've always been sort of surprised at how overrated he is by the general public, relative to what I saw from him when I watched him.
Solid player but far from a dominant one. Legend? Only because of things like being the most successful player at his height, being the first chinese all-star etc.
There's no way he's a legend on basketball merit, or even close to it.
15 years ago, if you told me that there will be a chinese guy who would come to the league and drop 25-10 for a whole season, i would had told you to stop doing drugs. yao's achievements weren't "legendary" compared to true legends, but if you look at his background and his journey, it's pretty unbelievable what he did. he's legendary in terms of being a "breakthrough."
[QUOTE=wTFaMonkey]Obviously the NBA wore down his body. But adding the extra training in the offseason when he is suppose to rest made it a lot worse for his body.[/QUOTE]
Most NBA players are supposed to train during that time of the off season.
Yao was certainly dominant during his very short prime. He was about as close to a sure 2 points you could get in this league when he had the ball in the post. The only thing that could stop him was pushing him out of position. The guy was scoring 22+ ppg on 60% TS, that's nearly Shaq-like in efficiency.
Somewhere between 20-25 for centers and a top 150 player of all time. It's a shame about the injuries (and getting robbed of Rookie of the Year).
Sad to see him go. He had plenty of potential, but those pesky injuries slowed him down. I'm just glad he knew when to throw in the towel.
Probably in the 25-30 range. There are a lot of Centers in the NBA history that had good numbers and great success. Yao had a few peak years where he was a top 3 Center, but outside of that, his career resume isn't all that impressive. He never made 1st team All-NBA, and half of his All-Star appearances were undeserved.
Prime?
Top 15, easily.
[QUOTE=rezznor]Yao was great for the era he was in, but the era was weak.
I think he will be remembered more as an ambassador for the game[/QUOTE]
What weak era was Yao in ???
he won't be remembered like penny.
Yao Ming isn't quite a legend. He's not a hall of famer. He's one of the great "what if" players.
It has just occurred to me that Shaquille O'Neal and Yao Ming retired in the same season. :banghead:
There are seriously people talking about Yao going to the HOF. What has he ever done? Is it an accomplishment now to be born in China instead of Cameroon? He had no success in FIBA basketball, no success in NBA basketball, some okay individual stats, but no longevity. Crazy talk. :facepalm
[QUOTE=R.I.P.]There are seriously people talking about Yao going to the HOF. What has he ever done? Is it an accomplishment now to be born in China instead of Cameroon? He had no success in FIBA basketball, no success in NBA basketball, some okay individual stats, but no longevity. Crazy talk. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
FIBA HOF - not for play, but he did bring the game to Asia. So maybe a 50/50 on that one.
Basketball HOF - not for play, but his influence means he will get in there.
Quite frankly, you are totally delusional if you don't think he will get in the Basketball HOF. The FIBA one is harder, because it has much higher standards. But, Yao is pretty much a lock for the Basketball HOF.
"Contribution to the growth and expansion of the game" is one of the main considerations and factors for getting into the Basketball HOF. Yao Ming will be in there, guaranteed, whether you like it or not.
[QUOTE=Euroleague]FIBA HOF - not for play, but he did bring the game to Asia. So maybe a 50/50 on that one.
Basketball HOF - not for play, but his influence means he will get in there.
Quite frankly, you are totally delusional if you don't think he will get in the Basketball HOF. The FIBA one is harder, because it has much higher standards. But, Yao is pretty much a lock for the Basketball HOF.
"Contribution to the growth and expansion of the game" is one of the main considerations and factors for getting into the Basketball HOF. Yao Ming will be in there, guaranteed, whether you like it or not.[/QUOTE]
Like I said, HOF credential: Was born in China.
[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Like I said, HOF credential: Was born in China.[/QUOTE]
Wang, Mengk, Yi, Sun - all of them were born in China. All of them played in the NBA. Not one of them will sniff the HOF.
Obviously, the qualification is a little more than having been a Chinese born NBA player.
[QUOTE=Da Heroic One]For those of you blaming China for his injuries, you guys do understand that the NBA was a second priority for Yao and that his first priority was playing for his national team right?[/QUOTE]
Wrong, towards the end of his career he caused controversy bc he chose not to play. You have to understand the pressure China can put on its citizens. There is reason why Yao chose to have his daughter in the States.
kobe is more popular in china
Is Greg Oden next? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=pete's montreux]The NBA is going to lose a TON of Chinese fans.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://static.images.memegenerator.net/Instances400/8/8510/8714352.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=asdf1990]damn there goes 1 billion followers of the NBA.[/QUOTE]
that's an incredibly stupid comment, on so many levels too:facepalm
[QUOTE=pete's montreux]The NBA is going to lose a TON of Chinese fans.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oEwhnsPjdW8/Sk6ZvdBN_DI/AAAAAAAABz4/RbRgNm-HJeY/s400/yi_jianlian.jpg[/IMG]
Nah.
EDIT: F@ck.
such a shame that Yao needs to retire due to injury. im chinese and im definitely proud of what Yao has done in the NBA. Good talented Chinese players are just so rare and the fact Yao was able to impact the NBA for short period of time was amazing at least in most Chinese people's eyes.
To the people that always blame China for ruining Yao's career, you people need to know that Yao takes his country pride top priority. It has nothing to do with China forcing him to play. Of course, its always easy to blame the government because of their background.
[QUOTE=StroShow4][IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oEwhnsPjdW8/Sk6ZvdBN_DI/AAAAAAAABz4/RbRgNm-HJeY/s400/yi_jianlian.jpg[/IMG]
Nah.
EDIT: F@ck.[/QUOTE]
inject some of Yao's heart into Yi, and Yi would be an allstar starter .
good luck yao
good
Now that Yao Ming is out, will the Chinese vote Kobe, he's super famous right there, or go to their best home town hero, Yi Jianlian? I won't be surprised if Yi becomes an All-Star.:facepalm
[B][U]The next Yao Ming: 15 yrs.old Zhou Qi[/U][/B]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BUANG-o9Iw[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyvuDLFLgbA&feature=related[/url]
[quote]Strengths: Has quickly become the next great hope of Chinese basketball ... Very quick for a big man ... A legitimate offensive threat. does decent job in both man-to-man post defense and help defense ... Handles and passes the ball well ... Displays a soft touch, has shooting range out to the FIBA three-point line ... Runs the floor well ... Excellent fundamentals ... Displays some guards skills, his dribbling and penetrating is way better than most big men ... His defense from the weak-side is also much better than most Chinese big men which is why his timing is so good and why he has great shot blocking stats ... His listed age is assumed to be true: 1996 and not changed. But there are sure to be doubts about that ...
Weaknesses: His athleticism isn't considered to be among the top prospects but his skill level and feel for the game are very good ... Needs to improve reflexes, not an explosive leaper at this point, not aggressive enough in post offense ... Needs improvement in defense rebound positioning ... Has already started to build muscles, but still needs to put on muscle, but not too much right away ... Needs to improve man-to-man defense and strengthen his footwork and finishing ability and prevent injury ... Still needs experience as his amount of games played is very low ...
Notes: Name is pronounced: "Joe Chee" ... Has become an overnight sensation in China after scoring 41 pts, 28 rebs,15 blks in an U-16 tourney in early February (2011) against Germany, had 26 pts against Bulgaria, 28 pts in a close game against France and 30 pts 17r 8b against Turkey in the finals, helping China win gold and earning MVP of the event ... Zhou Qi began his basketball career playing with the Liaoning Youth Team in the 2005, at that time he was only 5'6" (172cm). In 2009 his height has reached 6'9" (205cm). Zhou is 7'1" (215cm) now, and is expected to grow into 7'2" (217-218cm)。He's signed to a contract through 2013 so going to an American top NCAA schools could be an option, however his coach has stated he feels it is a better option for him to stay and develop in China ...
*He is signed to play with Liaoning Sports Bureau until 2013. Right now he is training and playing for Liaoning Youth (Basketball) Team. After 2013, the Chinese pro teams will compete to get him ...
[B]*Dwight Howard is his favorite NBA player.[/B]
*His coach compares him to Wang Zhizhi (first Chinese center drafted - by the Mavs)
*Contributions from hoopCHINA.com[/quote]
[url]http://www.nbadraft.net/players/zhou-qi[/url]
[QUOTE=Lebron23][B][U]The next Yi Jianlian: 15 yrs.old Zhou Qi[/U][/B]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BUANG-o9Iw[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyvuDLFLgbA&feature=related[/url]
[url]http://www.nbadraft.net/players/zhou-qi[/url][/QUOTE]
Awesome. 15? 7'2? :wtf::eek:
[QUOTE=d.bball.guy]Awesome. 15? 7'2? :wtf::eek:[/QUOTE]
China's Super Soldier Serum. ( HGH)
[QUOTE=Lebron23]China's Super Soldier Serum. ( HGH)[/QUOTE]
:lol
[QUOTE=Lebron23][B][U]The next Yao Ming: 15 yrs.old Zhou Qi[/U][/B]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BUANG-o9Iw[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyvuDLFLgbA&feature=related[/url]
[url]http://www.nbadraft.net/players/zhou-qi[/url][/QUOTE]
that kid looks slow and uncoordinated
Such a shame for such a talented big man.
At the very least, he could have given teams an extremely efficient 22/10/2 big man who could lead teams to 50+ wins.
2006-2009 Yao
Regular Season- 21.9 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 1.9 apg, 1.9 bpg, 51.9 FG%, 85.8 FT%, 59.9 TS%, 237 games, 145-92 record(equal to a 50+ win winning percentage)
Playoffs- 20.6 ppg, 10.6 rpg, 0.9 apg, 1 bpg, 48.7 FG%, 88.9 FT%, 59 TS%, 16 games
And that's with injuries interrupting his progression. Prime Yao could have been a consistent 25-27 ppg, 9-11 rpg player, imo and I think he would've at least contended for several titles.
Prime Yao would of dominated the bigs today.
[QUOTE=rezznor]that kid looks slow and uncoordinated[/QUOTE]
He needs to go to the US if he wants to improve his basketball skills.
[QUOTE=Lebron23]He needs to go to the US if he wants to improve his basketball skills.[/QUOTE]
agreed.
[QUOTE=Kensta]Glad he's retiring. He hasn't been the same the last few years. Loved watching him and Shaq go at it back in the days.[/QUOTE]
although i am chinese, i am glad that he retired, so the fuc*** CCTV will not broadcast 30+ games of Houston every season
i had been hated that for 5 years, fuc*** national CCTV, and fu*ck the advertis
The ESPN analysts think Yao should be a HOF...
I don't think so imo.
I don't think Yao should be a HOF.
Man I suck at editing ^^^^