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[QUOTE=sagr32]Why not test run Bynum for a year seeing as he has a team option after 2012 and see how he works out as a 1st option in the post?[/QUOTE]
building a championship team is about getting elite super star talent and building around them. I just don't see why any rebuilding team would want Bynum he seems to be a piece for a team that is in playoff contention to complement their star players.
[quote=MMM]building a championship team is about getting elite super star talent and building around them. I just don't see why any rebuilding team would want Bynum he seems to be a piece for a team that is in playoff contention to complement their star players.[/quote]
Quite honestly I agree. I don't see Bynum as a guy who is going to lead them to a ring but in this era of limited centers i dont see how taking a shot on Bynum can be bad. He was sometimes as low as the 4th option on the lakers and if he gets enough shots he could be a 18+ and 10 guy. If he is injured again at worst they just don't pick up his option after the year. If he plays well they can keep him or trade him for some valuable pieces
I can understand why someone might want Bynum, since he's relatively young, has a lot of potential, and has an expiring contract. Doesn't hurt he's pretty good when he's healthy either, and that he's probably always going to have value because he's arguably the second best center in the league. I don't understand why anyone would want Pau Gasol though... he's on the downside of his career and has a lot of money left on his contract.
[QUOTE=MMM]building a championship team is about getting elite super star talent and building around them. I just don't see why any rebuilding team would want Bynum he seems to be a piece for a team that is in playoff contention to complement their star players.[/QUOTE]
Until he's given that chance who knows how good Bynum can be.
[QUOTE=All Net]Until he's given that chance who knows how good Bynum can be.[/QUOTE]
He's been in the league awhile now and while he has shown flashes I don't think it has been enough to be a guy you want to build your team around. You Lakers fans have seen him the most and honestly how confident would you be in building your team around Bynum. I think the better route would be let Howard go for nothing if you can't get a favorable deal and draft your next main piece in the top 3-5 the following season. With all that being said I know it doesn't mean much seeing as I'm not a GM.
[QUOTE=MMM]He's been in the league awhile now and while he has shown flashes I don't think it has been enough to be a guy you want to build your team around. You Lakers fans have seen him the most and honestly how confident would you be in building your team around Bynum. I think the better route would be let Howard go for nothing if you can't get a favorable deal and draft your next main piece in the top 3-5 the following season. With all that being said I know it doesn't mean much seeing as I'm not a GM.[/QUOTE]
I don't think letting Howard walk is the answer. The public backlash would suck if that happened. They'd also win more games with Howard than not, when if he's leaving you'd almost rather just rebuilding and hope for a high lottery pick. I don't know if Andrew Bynum is the answer per say, but Orlando should definitely trade Dwight if they don't think they're gonna be able to resign him.
[QUOTE=MMM]He's been in the league awhile now and while he has shown flashes I don't think it has been enough to be a guy you want to build your team around. You Lakers fans have seen him the most and honestly how confident would you be in building your team around Bynum. I think the better route would be let Howard go for nothing if you can't get a favorable deal and draft your next main piece in the top 3-5 the following season. With all that being said I know it doesn't mean much seeing as I'm not a GM.[/QUOTE]
Business wise it wouldn't make sense losing him for nothing. Not when it can be avoided.
Bynum has the talent and sometimes playing with other very good bigs can hurt a guy's development. Not saying he would be a top player but who knows until he is more of a focal point.
When I saw this I shook my head even as a Laker fan but then I really thought about it, this shit could really go down if a 3rd team is involved. Its pretty clear both NO & ORL want Bynum as the main piece in return for their stars so that leaves no one wanting Gasol. I'm thinking the Lakers should try to get the Warriors involved and ask about their interest in a Pau for Monta Ellis deal then the lakers could try to offer this:
Lakers gets: Dwight & Paul
Orlando gets: Bynum & Odom
NO gets: Monta Ellis + picks
Warriors gets: Pau + maybe Bass or Anderson
Idk how that would work cap wise but that's a pretty could rough offer imo cause if your NO or Orlando you can't realisticlly get a better deal then that and Marc Jackson knows how vital it is to have a great big man so I believe he'd be open to linking up Curry + Pau.
[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]I don't think letting Howard walk is the answer. The public backlash would suck if that happened. They'd also win more games with Howard than not, when if he's leaving you'd almost rather just rebuilding and hope for a high lottery pick. I don't know if Andrew Bynum is the answer per say, but Orlando should definitely trade Dwight if they don't think they're gonna be able to resign him.[/QUOTE]
Agreed that trading is preferable but if the team is not going to get workable pieces then letting him walk and tanking for a top 3 pick wouldn't be that bad a option. I guess they could trade for Bynum hope he stays healthy(big if) and trade him the following year for some pieces.
[QUOTE=MMM]Agreed that trading is preferable but if the team is not going to get workable pieces then letting him walk and tanking for a top 3 pick wouldn't be that bad a option. I guess they could trade for Bynum hope he stays healthy(big if) and trade him the following year for some pieces.[/QUOTE]
Well Bynum does have a team option down the line a year before his deal expires I believe.
[QUOTE=All Net]Business wise it wouldn't make sense losing him for nothing. Not when it can be avoided.
Bynum has the talent and sometimes playing with other very good bigs can hurt a guy's development. Not saying he would be a top player but who knows until he is more of a focal point.[/QUOTE]
If Orlando could get Bynum back and shed Hedo's contract....it would be a great deal for them. They would get a young center with loads of potential on an expiring deal. So if he's great....they can sign him for more than anybody else...and if he's not great....they let him go.
That is an ideal trade for the Magic and one they should do. But it has to be Howard and Hedo leaving. The Magic have to find a way to get rid of Hedo's 34 million over the next 3 years in a Howard trade. So it would take the Lakers sending Odom and Bynum to the Magic for Hedo and Howard. That seems like a great trade for both teams.
As far as Paul, I don't see how the Lakers can get him. The Hornets should absolutely not trade Paul unless that trade includes Okafor. The Lakers could potentially include a 3rd or 4th team in the deal to make that happen, but I don't know who wants to take on Okafor and his 40 million over the next 3 years.
Yeah... we will get another lockout if this goes next season
[QUOTE=All Net]Business wise it wouldn't make sense losing him for nothing. Not when it can be avoided.
Bynum has the talent and sometimes playing with other very good bigs can hurt a guy's development. Not saying he would be a top player but who knows until he is more of a focal point.[/QUOTE]
Best thing to do business wise is to replace a current star/franchise player with a young star/franchise player. The best way to do that is the draft and in particular top 3-5 picks. Now if the Lakers can get another team involved then it makes these trades far more realistic but I don't see the Lakers pieces being attractive to rebuilding teams. As for Bynum maybe I'm being to harsh on him but I don't see many teams wanting to take a risk on his knees but remaining healthy this season might do a lot to change that perspective. So I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Imagine Lakers with Dwight, Kobe and CP3. Prime NBA all over. 2000 all over. 1996 all over. 80's Lakers all over. NBA would be... back. For me. And normal people.
Imagine how many 2002 Kings teams would form to destroy Lakers and Heat.
so let me get something straight...
we missed a month and a half of the season for nothing?
cool.
[QUOTE=MMM]Best thing to do business wise is to replace a current star/franchise player with a young star/franchise player. The best way to do that is the draft and in particular top 3-5 picks. Now if the Lakers can get another team involved then it makes these trades far more realistic but [B]I don't see the Lakers pieces being attractive to rebuilding teams.[/B] As for Bynum maybe I'm being to harsh on him but I don't see many teams wanting to take a risk on his knees but remaining healthy this season might do a lot to change that perspective. So I guess we'll have to wait and see.[/QUOTE]
Kwame Brown and Memphis say hello
[QUOTE=Burgz]so let me get something straight...
we missed a month and a half of the season for nothing?
cool.[/QUOTE]
basically yeah
[QUOTE=Burgz]so let me get something straight...
we missed a month and a half of the season for nothing?
cool.[/QUOTE]
My thoughts exactly, and I'm a laker fan
Any Laker fans here have any reservations about this? I'd love to get at least one of these players, but getting both...I don't know.
The sad thing about this is if it happened Kobe would be the 3rd best player on his team now as most felt Dwight and CP3 were better than Kobe last year.
I would do it in a heartbeat, Lakers in the last years have sucked at being Lakers. Sure they've been effective, but just blow up this odd group. Except for Bynum, they aren't doing it for me, as a visual fan of the game I like classic power teams. Classic power teams = powerful NBA. Just ignore these 200-some people on forums who are obviuosly some kind of weird sort of communists, because million of other people want a great NBA.
[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp]The sad thing about this is if it happened Kobe would be the 3rd best player on his team now as most felt Dwight and CP3 were better than Kobe last year.[/QUOTE]
Dwight? Yea but Paul? Not quite. Was great in the playoffs though.
[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp]The sad thing about this is if it happened Kobe would be the 3rd best player on his team now as most felt Dwight and CP3 were better than Kobe last year.[/QUOTE]
Kobe, assuming comes back healthy as reported, would be the best offensive player out of the three.
Defensively, playing alongside someone more active like Paul (as opposed to dead-weight Fisher), and the DPOY, he would be a lot more effective. He could be given the assignment to lock someone up without having to worry about the rest of the team's defense.
Everything that frustrates laker fans about bynum's play arethe things dwight does best. This is a no brainer if possible.
[QUOTE=SpecialQue]Any Laker fans here have any reservations about this? I'd love to get at least one of these players, but getting both...I don't know.[/QUOTE]
I would rather get Dwight and not get Chris Paul. I think a Pau Gasol and Dwight Howard frontcourt would be scary.
[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp]The sad thing about this is if it happened Kobe would be the 3rd best player on his team now as most felt Dwight and CP3 were better than Kobe last year.[/QUOTE]
Who gives a shyt!? Its about teams & rings. Besides Kobe will still be the leader and has as good of shot to get FMVP. But all that comes 2nd
The Lakers have had a frantic need for a point guard for the last 6 years otherwise they would get dominated by opposing guards.
Then they went to three straight finals and won two in a row.
Get Dwight.
[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]I would rather get Dwight and not get Chris Paul. I think a Pau Gasol and Dwight Howard frontcourt would be scary.[/QUOTE]
If Gasol can play like he did in 2010, yes. If he plays anything like last year, then the LA should ship him while some people still think that last year was a fluke.
[QUOTE=pegasus]If Gasol can play like if he did in 2010, yes. If he plays anything like last year, then the LA should ship him while some people still think that last year was a fluke.[/QUOTE]
As Long as his GF doesn't cheat on him he will play fine :lol
[QUOTE=All Net]As Long as his GF doesn't cheat on him he will play fine :lol[/QUOTE]
I hope he doesn't have a horny mama. I'm afraid that may be next :lol
[QUOTE=bagelred]How bout this?
[B]Trade #1:
Lakers get Dwight Howard and Hedo Turkoglu
Magic get Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom
Trade #2:
Lakers get Chris Paul
Pacers get Pau Gasol
Hornets get Danny Granger and Nick Collison[/B]
Those trades could be tweaked, but that's the basic structure.
:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
yes, a third team needs to get involved.. Someone like the Bobcats who have pleanty of wing players but lack bigs. Or the Celtics who are not only trying to go for a last run but are trying to get rid of Rondo
[QUOTE=pegasus]If Gasol can play like he did in 2010, yes. If he plays anything like last year, then the LA should ship him while some people still think that last year was a fluke.[/QUOTE]
I just don't see Kobe/CP3/Howard meshing together personality wise. I could Deron/Kobe/Howard but I think CP3 and Kobe will have issues.
[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]I just don't see Kobe/CP3/Howard meshing together personality wise. I could Deron/Kobe/Howard but I think CP3 and Kobe will have issues.[/QUOTE]
Would you care to elaborate on that? I may be missing something.
I would imagine that both players would do their best to win a ring together.
[QUOTE=All Net]Dwight? Yea but Paul? Not quite. Was great in the playoffs though.[/QUOTE]
Well ESPN would actually consider him the 3rd best. But I agree. CP3's one of my favorite players, but he's gotten somewhat overrated since that series. I've been hearing debates about who should a team go after between Howard and CP3. I don't think its a debate. This isn't 2008 and 2009 CP3 anymore. He's clearly declined. Its like people completely forget the time between 2009 and the 2011 1st round series.
[QUOTE=bagelred]How bout this?
[B]Trade #2:
Lakers get Chris Paul
Pacers get Pau Gasol
Hornets get raped in the butt[/B][/QUOTE]
FTFY
[QUOTE=pegasus]Would you care to elaborate on that? I may be missing something.
I would imagine that both players would do their best to win a ring together.[/QUOTE]
Just don't think they would naturally get along. 2 natural alpha personalities, Kobe won't back down to anyone and neither will CP3. I just don't see it working well chemisty wise but it is purely a guess.
[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]Just don't think they would naturally get along. 2 natural alpha personalities, Kobe won't back down to anyone and neither will CP3. I just don't see it working well chemisty wise but it is purely a guess.[/QUOTE]
I would hope that after the Shaq fiasco and a lot of individual success Kobe would be able to handle being possibly the 3rd best player on the Lakers, even if it is his team. But like you I'm not sure it'd be feasible to expect them to co-exist long-term.
[QUOTE=G-Funk]This is whats gonna happen.
Step 1: 3 way trade
Celtics: Gasol
Hornets: Rondo
Lakers: Paul
Of course with fillers, Its obvious Celtics want to trade Rondo for a scoring option to take pressure off Pierce, Gasol will fill that need and the lack of Center position they have.
Step 2: Trade 4 Dwight.
Send Bynum + fillers for Dwight Howard + Torkulu[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]I just don't see Kobe/CP3/Howard meshing together personality wise. I could Deron/Kobe/Howard but I think CP3 and Kobe will have issues.[/QUOTE]
I don't see where the issues would arise. Paul seems to be an easy going guy that prefers to create wide open shots for other people. Kobe will still get some iso time in. Dwight will get his buckets from easy looks/lobs created by Paul & cleaning up everyone else's mess.
I still think only Dwight has the realistic chance at putting on the lakers uni though.
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[QUOTE=guy]Well ESPN would actually consider him the 3rd best. But I agree. CP3's one of my favorite players, but he's gotten somewhat overrated since that series. I've been hearing debates about who should a team go after between Howard and CP3. I don't think its a debate. This isn't 2008 and 2009 CP3 anymore. He's clearly declined. Its like people completely forget the time between 2009 and the 2011 1st round series.[/QUOTE]
True. I would feel much more comfortable with Howard than CP3 going forward because Dwight has no question marks in addition to being more impactful. I'm not completely sold on Paul's knee long term.