[QUOTE=97 bulls]When I say off the dribble, I'm refering to his inability to get the ball at the top of the three point line and break his man down in an iso.[/QUOTE]
When I say off the dribble, I mean off the dribble.
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]When I say off the dribble, I'm refering to his inability to get the ball at the top of the three point line and break his man down in an iso.[/QUOTE]
When I say off the dribble, I mean off the dribble.
[QUOTE=Pushxx]When I say off the dribble, I mean off the dribble.[/QUOTE]
What him catch the ball off a curl, bounce the ball once and take a shot? No that not off the dribble.
[QUOTE=eliteballer]Bird would murder him in the post, Pippen was a weak post defender[/QUOTE]
Take a look at this vid of pippens defense. In it, he defends, barkley, webber, ewing, terry cummings, and danny manning in the post. And I m talking all facets of post play, be it straight up post position defense, fronting (notice how barkley tries to root and and push him off the block and flatout cant), and how webber and ewing try to back him down.
Also notice how often he's able to block his opponants jumpshot. And the man defense he's able to play.
And how many chase down blocks he gets ala lebron james.
[url]http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=N9vFHYVXtRk[/url]
[QUOTE=97 bulls]What him catch the ball off a curl, bounce the ball once and take a shot? No that not off the dribble.[/QUOTE]
are you trying to say the dude never drove to the hoop? because that just isn't true
[QUOTE=ralph_i_el]are you trying to say the dude never drove to the hoop? because that just isn't true[/QUOTE]
He's just a huge troll. Talking like Reggie Miller and Scottie Pippen are in the same league as Larry Bird LOL
[QUOTE=ralph_i_el]are you trying to say the dude never drove to the hoop? because that just isn't true[/QUOTE]
Off course not. Bird has also dunked but I wouldn't call him a high-flyer.
[QUOTE=Pushxx]He's just a huge troll. Talking like Reggie Miller and Scottie Pippen are in the same league as Larry Bird LOL[/QUOTE]
I said millers offensive game is similar to birds. And pippens not that far off from bird
[QUOTE=97 bulls]I said millers offensive game is similar to birds. And pippens not that far off from bird[/QUOTE]
This thread is full of fail.
Some posters not giving Bird his due and others propping him up as the GOAT
GTFO:facepalm
[QUOTE=TheMan]This thread is full of fail.
Some posters not giving Bird his due and others propping him up as the GOAT
GTFO:facepalm[/QUOTE]
How am I not giving bird his due by comparing his offensive game to reggie millers? Both were great shooters, who used picks and screens to get open. You guys thinks he's the only person capable of scoring like that? My god why are you guys acting as if bird can walk on water, and change water to wine?
Andre iguodalas game is very similar to scottie pippens. Is that an insult to pippen?
I used that miller/bryant comparison to show how hard it is for a guy without a strong iso game limited dribble, and weak as a man defender, to beat a guy wiith a strong iso game and can play defense. Most if not all of birds strengths aren't gonna manifest themselves in a game of 1 on 1 vs a super talented athlete, and defender that can dribble and has a decent jumper.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]How am I not giving bird his due by comparing his offensive game to reggie millers? Both were great shooters, who used picks and screens to get open. You guys thinks he's the only person capable of scoring like that? My god why are you guys acting as if bird can walk on water, and change water to wine?
Andre iguodalas game is very similar to scottie pippens. Is that an insult to pippen?
I used that miller/bryant comparison to show how hard it is for a guy without a strong iso game limited dribble, and weak as a man defender, to beat a guy wiith a strong iso game and can play defense. Most if not all of birds strengths aren't gonna manifest themselves in a game of 1 on 1 vs a super talented athlete, and defender that can dribble and has a decent jumper.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeULq4vrToU&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/url]
watch this video and tell me what part of Miller's you see in it, especially his passing.
Look, I'm a fellow Bulls fan, I have no beef with you but when you compare Miller to Bird, well, that's just nonsense.
Bird was much more than a 3pt shooter which was basically all Miller was, Bird could post up, make the right pass and even though he wasn't the fastest guy on the floor, ran a fast break really well.Bird>>>>Miller
The original idea of this thread was who would win between Pip and Bird in a 1v1, we all have different opinions on that, I happen to think Pip could win solely on the fact that Pip was an elite defender ad man defense wasn't Larry's greatest attribute, I could be wrong but we'll never know unless someonei nvents a time machine...one thing for sure, it would be fun to watch.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tObgS6uUVjQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/url]
Scottie Pippen:bowdown:
A Larry Lagend vs Scottie Pippen pick-up game would be dream for hoops fans...two totally different types of players going at it:rockon:
Serously 97 bulls...just watch the video TheMan posted and then you tell me Reggie Miller and Larry Bird were similar offensively.
Also, I dare you to tell me again that he doesn't take people off the dribble. ALL HE DID was take people off the dribble or post them up.
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeULq4vrToU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeULq4vrToU[/URL]
[QUOTE=TheMan][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeULq4vrToU&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/url]
watch this video and tell me what part of Miller's you see in it, especially his passing.
Look, I'm a fellow Bulls fan, I have no beef with you but when you compare Miller to Bird, well, that's just nonsense.
Bird was much more than a 3pt shooter which was basically all Miller was, Bird could post up, make the right pass and even though he wasn't the fastest guy on the floor, ran a fast break really well.Bird>>>>Miller
The original idea of this thread was who would win between Pip and Bird in a 1v1, we all have different opinions on that, I happen to think Pip could win solely on the fact that Pip was an elite defender ad man defense wasn't Larry's greatest attribute, I could be wrong but we'll never know unless someonei nvents a time machine...one thing for sure, it would be fun to watch.[/QUOTE]
I'm not talking about their offense as a whole. Just the way they score the ball. Which is why miller couldn't beat a young kobe bryant. He just doesn't have the iso skills pertinant to being a great 1 on 1 player. Bird is the same way. And neithers man defense is up to par.
But I'm not in any way shape or form implying that miller was a good as bird. Bird was the better passer, rebounder, had better intangibles. And his help defense was better than millers was. But the way they scored was very similar.
[QUOTE=Pushxx]Serously 97 bulls...just watch the video TheMan posted and then you tell me Reggie Miller and Larry Bird were similar offensively.
Also, I dare you to tell me again that he doesn't take people off the dribble. ALL HE DID was take people off the dribble or post them up.
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeULq4vrToU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeULq4vrToU[/URL][/QUOTE]
You don't know what taking people off the dribble is bro.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Lol what am I denying? You posted the video. He did a great job comming off screens and curls. But not one shot was made by him breaking a man down in a 1 on 1 setting. Not one shot.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_nfsq4pTpI[/url]
clips of Bird beating his man 1on1 (or even entire teams)
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If Bird can fake an entire team, his fakes were pretty good
[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kfYnqiVK34[/url]
And funny enough that same fake worked hundreds of times, all over the court, [I]even though everybody watched film of Bird by the hour[/I]. Must have been something hypnotic about it.
[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MUjJABeyus[/url]
Beating his man from :50 & then 1:50 showing 1on1 in the open court smokage.
[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=II2MqmI4Wjw[/url]
It's a laugh that people [I]still[/I] say Bird was unathletic, slow, can't jump and so forth. His first step beat everyone in the league for 10 years, just fact. he constantly outran the court for at least 8 years, just fact... he could throw down flashy dunks in early days but why? That don't count for more than a layup which is less tiring thus he was more effective at the end of the game.
He took advantage of that moron [I]unathletic[/I] perception for an entire career.
Naturally people will say Bird scored off curls, single dribbles and so forth. But that doesn't show a player's limitations, that is the premier mark of outstanding team play... the perfect set, the perfect pass, the perfect curl, single dribble and swish. No 80s Celtic would dream of dribbling for 15 seconds at the top of the key while the rest of his team went and sat down, then driving that's just not how those teams played basketball. Anybody remember Sidney Wicks on the Celtics? LOLOL that kind of iso game just didn't fit in with the Celtics.........
Over the years there have been some players that simply had unstoppable offense - NOBODY could stop those guys. Chamberlain, Jerry West, Jabbar, Pistol, Jordan, Kobe, a few others.... Bird is in that category.
Pip on the other hand was stoppable by NBA level defenders. If you denied his drive, he was looking to pass. He was a great offensive force no question, could create on the fly, very inventive - but he could be stopped.
If you denied Bird's drive you were inevitably forced back into the paint - you had to either have outside help or just plain get lucky because that's when he flashed out to the three line 2 or 3 steps ahead of you and floated the money 3 pointer over your desperate out of position hand.
Naw man Pip couldn't keep from getting scorched by Bird in the games they did play.
He'd have to wear flame retardant to try 1on1 against 1984 Bird
dude, you're beyond hope if you really think that Bird did not have 1on1 skills. I'm quoting myself here:
[QUOTE]Bird is the best offensive player of all time. He topped out at 30ppg playing team -oriented. He's one of the best post players of all time. He's arguably the best shooter ever. He never at any point in his career had a problem getting his shot off and is one of the best ever at shooting contested jumpers. He could score with either hand, making him one of the most unpredictable scorers ever too.
On top of that he also has extremely great footwork. He wasn't fast, but always a very quick player, had great endurance, dexterity, body-control and hand-eye-coordination.
So yes, he could absolutely not score against Pippen consistently.
Pippen on the other hand, has the following offensive qualities that make him an extraordinary threat one-on-one:
he's athletic and fast.[/QUOTE]
people actually thinking bird wins is just more proof of that this board is full of idiots who don't actually play basketball or know too much about it
Larry Bird
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]I'm not talking about their offense as a whole. Just the way they score the ball. Which is why miller couldn't beat a young kobe bryant. He just doesn't have the iso skills pertinant to being a great 1 on 1 player. Bird is the same way. And neithers man defense is up to par.
But I'm not in any way shape or form implying that miller was a good as bird. Bird was the better passer, rebounder, had better intangibles. And his help defense was better than millers was. [B]But the way they scored was very similar.[/B][/QUOTE]
:facepalm .....who the hell you think your fooling here dude??
[QUOTE=HighFlyer23]people actually thinking bird wins is just more proof of that this board is full of idiots who don't actually play basketball or know too much about it[/QUOTE]
You seriusly don't know jack about Larry Bird kid...:no:
[QUOTE=HighFlyer23]people actually thinking bird wins is just more proof of that this board is full of idiots who don't actually play basketball or know too much about it[/QUOTE]
That doesn't even make sense. [B]"Know too much about basketball?"[/B] What does that even mean? :wtf:
[B]Larry Bird could take anyone off the dribble. Pippen would only score in some off the dribbles but his mid range shot is not as dangerous as Bird`s was. Bird would also shoot over Pippen and Post Him Up. Bird Posted Up PFs and with sucess because he had great leg strength. [/B]
[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_nfsq4pTpI[/url]
clips of Bird beating his man 1on1 (or even entire teams)
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If Bird can fake an entire team, his fakes were pretty good
[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kfYnqiVK34[/url]
And funny enough that same fake worked hundreds of times, all over the court, [I]even though everybody watched film of Bird by the hour[/I]. Must have been something hypnotic about it.
[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MUjJABeyus[/url]
Beating his man from :50 & then 1:50 showing 1on1 in the open court smokage.
[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=II2MqmI4Wjw[/url]
It's a laugh that people [I]still[/I] say Bird was unathletic, slow, can't jump and so forth. His first step beat everyone in the league for 10 years, just fact. he constantly outran the court for at least 8 years, just fact... he could throw down flashy dunks in early days but why? That don't count for more than a layup which is less tiring thus he was more effective at the end of the game.
He took advantage of that moron [I]unathletic[/I] perception for an entire career.
Naturally people will say Bird scored off curls, single dribbles and so forth. But that doesn't show a player's limitations, that is the premier mark of outstanding team play... the perfect set, the perfect pass, the perfect curl, single dribble and swish. No 80s Celtic would dream of dribbling for 15 seconds at the top of the key while the rest of his team went and sat down, then driving that's just not how those teams played basketball. Anybody remember Sidney Wicks on the Celtics? LOLOL that kind of iso game just didn't fit in with the Celtics.........
Over the years there have been some players that simply had unstoppable offense - NOBODY could stop those guys. Chamberlain, Jerry West, Jabbar, Pistol, Jordan, Kobe, a few others.... Bird is in that category.
Pip on the other hand was stoppable by NBA level defenders. If you denied his drive, he was looking to pass. He was a great offensive force no question, could create on the fly, very inventive - but he could be stopped.
If you denied Bird's drive you were inevitably forced back into the paint - you had to either have outside help or just plain get lucky because that's when he flashed out to the three line 2 or 3 steps ahead of you and floated the money 3 pointer over your desperate out of position hand.
Naw man Pip couldn't keep from getting scorched by Bird in the games they did play.
He'd have to wear flame retardant to try 1on1 against 1984 Bird[/QUOTE]
I gotta hand it to you baldi. The third clip you posted at the :50 second mark does show bird face up and take his man off the dribble. But every other clip you've posted still holds true to how bird scored. Off picks, off screens, off curls, or in the post. Oh and off tranistion baskets. None that's gives the indication that he could score in isolation on a consistant enough basis to beat a defender the caliber of scottie pippen 1 on 1.
[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Larry Bird could take anyone off the dribble. Pippen would only score in some off the dribbles but his mid range shot is not as dangerous as Bird`s was. Bird would also shoot over Pippen and Post Him Up. Bird Posted Up PFs and with sucess because he had great leg strength. [/B][/QUOTE]
Bird could not take "anyone" off the dribble. I posted this vid already, and I knew I wasn't gonna get a response cuz the truth hurts I guess. But here's a vid of pippen in the post defending, 6'10 260lbs chris webber, 7'0 260lb patrick ewing, juwan howard, charles barkley, larry johnson to name a few.
[url]http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=N9vFHYVXtRk[/url]
And please understand, these are great post players. Not some nobody like lefresco baldi posted as a testament to birds ability to take his man off the dribble.
And what is "leg length"? If your trying to imply that pippen would have problems with bird in the post due to bird 1 inch heith advantage, come on. Bird couldn't jump over a loaf of bread, pippen was an amazing jumper. And was great blocking jump shots.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Bird could not take "anyone" off the dribble. I posted this vid already, and I knew I wasn't gonna get a response cuz the truth hurts I guess. But here's a vid of pippen in the post defending, 6'10 260lbs chris webber, 7'0 260lb patrick ewing, juwan howard, charles barkley, larry johnson to name a few.
[url]http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=N9vFHYVXtRk[/url]
And please understand, these are great post players. Not some nobody like lefresco baldi posted as a testament to birds ability to take his man off the dribble.
And what is "leg length"? If your trying to imply that pippen would have problems with bird in the post due to bird 1 inch heith advantage, come on. Bird couldn't jump over a loaf of bread, pippen was an amazing jumper. And was great blocking jump shots.[/QUOTE]
Bird could take a lot of ppl off the dribble. He's not Michael Jordan or LBJ good, but it's not like Bird was flawed in that area. He operated similar to Magic Johnson. Check it out:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfLjD5ft6o4#t=01m24s[/url]
That was against Dominique Wilkins, who was more athletic and quicker than Bird. And look how he take the Pistons players off the dribble here:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZQEkElyqAY[/url]
Larry Bird is a great one on one player. He also did similar things against Michael Cooper, who is one of the best perimeter defenders of all time. You shouldn't Bird looks fool you.
The question would be whatever if Bird could stay in front of Pippen? The answer would be yes and no. Bird did defend Wilkins, Worthy, and Dr. J in a few instances who are all better offensively and quicker than Pippen is. Bird never sucked at the defense, but he wasn't as good as Cooper or Pippen was. Bird was a good post defender tho. With that said, Pippen would blow by him a few times. Could Pippen stop Bird? Maybe contain like Cooper, but not stop him. And if Bird is shot is on, nothing Pippen could do about that since Bird is one of the best offensively.
[QUOTE=Micku]Bird could take a lot of ppl off the dribble. He's not Michael Jordan or LBJ good, but it's not like Bird was flawed in that area. He operated similar to Magic Johnson. Check it out:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfLjD5ft6o4#t=01m24s[/url]
That was against Dominique Wilkins, who was more athletic and quicker than Bird. And look how he take the Pistons players off the dribble here:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZQEkElyqAY[/url]
Larry Bird is a great one on one player. He also did similar things against Michael Cooper, who is one of the best perimeter defenders of all time. You shouldn't Bird looks fool you.
The question would be whatever if Bird could stay in front of Pippen? The answer would be yes and no. Bird did defend Wilkins, Worthy, and Dr. J in a few instances who are all better offensively and quicker than Pippen is. Bird never sucked at the defense, but he wasn't as good as Cooper or Pippen was. Bird was a good post defender tho. With that said, Pippen would blow by him a few times. Could Pippen stop Bird? Maybe contain like Cooper, but not stop him. And if Bird is shot is on, nothing Pippen could do about that since Bird is one of the best offensively.[/QUOTE]
Dominique Wilkins was a shitty defender in his own right. There was 1 play in the first vid where bird drove by wilkins.
That saying, I've seen a lot of clips and vids in this thread. We've probably seen about a good 100 or so highlights of shots bird has taken. I can count on one hand how many times he scored in what's considered an iso situation.
Another thing, a few clips (about 5) of bird taking a guy off the dribble is not an indication of his iso abilities. I believe we all can admit that pippens jumpshot was at best decent. As was his 3pt range. I could produce a lot of clips showing pippen hitting an outside jumpshot. But that does not mean he's a strong jumpshooter.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Dominique Wilkins was a shitty defender in his own right. There was 1 play in the first vid where bird drove by wilkins.
That saying, I've seen a lot of clips and vids in this thread. We've probably seen about a good 100 or so highlights of shots bird has taken. I can count on one hand how many times he scored in what's considered an iso situation.[/QUOTE]
Did you check the second vid?
But the fact that I'm trying to show you that Bird could take ppl one on one, I assume that you haven't really watched a lot of Bird. Especially by your comments after each vid. The only way you would have to see that Bird could take ppl one on one is by watching more games. Especially anytime he is guarded by Michael Cooper, Rodman or Paul Pressey or something.
Besides, you could just watch some old Celtics vs Bulls highlights when Pippen and Bird played against each other. Bird would sometimes play more PFish, so Pippen didn't really guard him.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAOx36A48wU[/url]
It's a good vid. Pippen showed his quickness and in the open court and first step in that vid. Bird schooled him in the post or whatever. In that game Bird had 38 points on 50% shooting and Pippen had 22 points on 53%.
And besides, it's one on one. It's not like anything big. Pippen could very well beat Bird and as well as Bird could beat Pippen.
[SIZE="5"][B]Prime Bird is an underrated athlete.
[/B][/SIZE]
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Dominique Wilkins was a shitty defender in his own right. There was 1 play in the first vid where bird drove by wilkins.
That saying, I've seen a lot of clips and vids in this thread. We've probably seen about a good 100 or so highlights of shots bird has taken. I can count on one hand how many times he scored in what's considered an iso situation.[/QUOTE]
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Again, you cant find clips of Bird doing isos because the Celtics weren't stupid enough to throw their entire team out of balance by running isolation plays.
That was always considered a shoddy gameplan - either the guy was a ballhog, or his teammates were so pathetic they just crowded off.
And why would forwards dribble at the top of the key anyhow? Thats a recent downgrade of the league. Seeing Bynum run iso plays from the top of the key... Only an execrable coach would do that
[QUOTE=32Dayz][SIZE="5"][B]Prime Bird is an underrated athlete.
[/B][/SIZE][/QUOTE]
Actually, I must say that watching these clips as a person critiqing as opposed to just a fan, I must admit birds athleticism is underrated.
[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi]**********
Again, you cant find clips of Bird doing isos because the Celtics weren't stupid enough to throw their entire team out of balance by running isolation plays.
That was always considered a shoddy gameplan - either the guy was a ballhog, or his teammates were so pathetic they just crowded off.
And why would forwards dribble at the top of the key anyhow? Thats a recent downgrade of the league. Seeing Bynum run iso plays from the top of the key... Only an execrable coach would do that[/QUOTE]
You're right. Iso ball isn't a better form of basketball, however in a game of 1 on 1 that all you have is isolations. There is no help defense, there is no screener, there is noone to pass it to. Its one players one on one skills vs anothers. It a players ability to play man defense vs anothers. You showed clips of team ball.
Prime Scottie Pippen was one of the greatest defenders the NBA has ever seen....to go along with being a 25PPG offensive player...
while Bird was one of the greatest players ever....his passing would be useless...and his ability to rub off of screens would be non existent...
he would have to rely on his post game vs Pippen...
while Pippen's outside shooting was not as good....he was a better player off the dribble and a much faster player with the ball.
many people here are not really understanding 1 vs 1 basketball....Pippen wins this and many posters here would be shocked how much different 1 vs 1 is then a 5 on 5....
in fact in many 1 vs 1 tournaments ...the player who wins is usually not the best player in a team environment...
Pippen>Bird in this scenario.....alot of people here would be showed as fools.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Bird could not take "anyone" off the dribble. I posted this vid already, and I knew I wasn't gonna get a response cuz the truth hurts I guess. But here's a vid of pippen in the post defending, 6'10 260lbs chris webber, 7'0 260lb patrick ewing, juwan howard, charles barkley, larry johnson to name a few.
[url]http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=N9vFHYVXtRk[/url]
And please understand, these are great post players. Not some nobody like lefresco baldi posted as a testament to birds ability to take his man off the dribble.
And what is "leg length"? If your trying to imply that pippen would have problems with bird in the post due to bird 1 inch heith advantage, come on. Bird couldn't jump over a loaf of bread, pippen was an amazing jumper. And was great blocking jump shots.[/QUOTE]
[B]Pippen himself said "Larry Bird is the Hardest Player to Defend" :violin:
Pippen never stopped Barkley when he was guarding him. Thats another Myth like that of Kevin McHale. Go Look at the Head to Heads
Bird had legs that where very strong he could post up PFs and schooled many like Horace Grant. Pippen would waste energly driving wise while Bird woul just force him to take far a way shots and himself he would post up and fadeway like crazy.
Pippen himsefl said Bird was the Best SF he Ever Guarded[/B]
[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Pippen himself said "Larry Bird is the Hardest Player to Defend" :violin:
Pippen never stopped Barkley when he was guarding him. Thats another Myth like that of Kevin McHale. Go Look at the Head to Heads
Bird had legs that where very strong he could post up PFs and schooled many like Horace Grant. Pippen would waste energly driving wise while Bird woul just force him to take far a way shots and himself he would post up and fadeway like crazy.
Pippen himsefl said Bird was the Best SF he Ever Guarded[/B][/QUOTE]
Pippen never said bird was the toughest player he ever defended. Hell he defended jordan in practice every day.
I showed you clips of him guarding barkley. Did you watch the video? Ewing tried to back him down at 7 feet and tried to fade away, pippen still blocked his shot barkley tried to move him off the post cuz pippen was fronting him, and barkley couldn't. Granted noramally grant defended barkley, but those clips were more used to show that bird posting him up isn't a given.
And again, the contrast in this debate is that I posted clips of great low post big men trying to post up pippen (prime 28-30 yr old not a 22 year old kid pippen) without success. You guys have shown clips where either bird didn't do anything remotely close to what would be considered 1 on 1, IE the curls, picks, screens etc, or he beat really bad defenders off the dribble. Guys like brad sellers, dominique wilkins, and some white guy that I don't remember.
Another thing, I've tried to respond to everyone of these clips and videos. I haven't received one rebutal on the legitimacy of my POV based on the vids I posted. I'm gonna assume that you guys agree that pippen would have given bird all he could handle if bird tried to post him up.
Early Bird would beat prime Pippen.
Once Bird gets the ball its over
right now? scottie pippen
prime, bird
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]Prime Scottie Pippen was one of the greatest defenders the NBA has ever seen....to go along with being a 25PPG offensive player...
while Bird was one of the greatest players ever....his passing would be useless...and his ability to rub off of screens would be non existent...
he would have to rely on his post game vs Pippen...
while Pippen's outside shooting was not as good....he was a better player off the dribble and a much faster player with the ball.
many people here are not really understanding 1 vs 1 basketball....Pippen wins this and many posters here would be shocked how much different 1 vs 1 is then a 5 on 5....
in fact in many 1 vs 1 tournaments ...the player who wins is usually not the best player in a team environment...
Pippen>Bird in this scenario.....alot of people here would be showed as fools.[/QUOTE]
LOL at this dork talking like no one here has played a day of basketball in their lives. :hammerhead: