After months of rockets flying into Israel, Hamas military chief dead, fighting rises

[QUOTE=bmulls]Convincing people to be proud of killing themselves is a whole new level of brainwashing. Like in America kids want to be astronauts and NFL players when they grow up. These kids want to be suicide bombers. It's crazy.[/QUOTE]

These kids don't want to be suicide bombers nor would i think they are proud but they've been tricked/brainwashed by people who are too cowardly to die for what they believe in. So they get kids in desperate situations to do it by promising them they will take care of their families.

[QUOTE=MMM]suicide is a mortal sin in the religion though and Jihad(holy struggle) does not simply mean killing people. As for them being brainwashed the same thing could be said about most religious people.[/QUOTE]


then you must be reading a different interpretation of their religion than the fundamentalists. their fanatical belief is what justifies them to blow themselves up for their cause with promises of a rewarding afterlife.

Ceasefire deal reached for tonight

Wow, my university is gonna have a Q&A live video feed with students in gaza. Gonna check it out, will be really good to see AN ACTUAL KID LIVING IN GAZA'S PERSPECTIVE rather than bullshit news feeds.

Might ask if it's true that people sometimes act up injured for the cameras, like in those Pallywood videos. Gotta find a way to word it delicately.

My uni has a huge Muslim and Free Palestine society but all of them I've talked to are actually really really rational and calm people, who ask alot of questions about Judaism and loads of them I've even had the discussion about how Judaism and Islam are so similar, and how the Arab golden age with Maimonides every religion got along, and they agreed, haven't really run in to any psychos like the Hamas apologists on ISH or the people who are mass protesting the Israeli dance reviews here in London as "extensions of the occupation"


Arab golden age was an awesome time in human history, real muslims like Saladin were Arab leaders back then, now they just keep electing terrorists. Shit.

[QUOTE=MMM]suicide is a mortal sin in the religion though and Jihad(holy struggle) does not simply mean killing people. As for them being brainwashed the same thing could be said about most religious people.[/QUOTE]

Islam hasn't worked under a "it says this in the Qu'ran, therefore it is" kind of system in centuries in most parts of the world. Absolutism left Islam behind long ago.

Everything in the Qu'ran is subject to interpretation by imams and mullahs of hundreds of different persuasions. They more or less they get to tell adherents what parts of Holy Qu'ran do and don't matter and its entirely dependent on the interpreter's opinion. Furthermore, believers aren't allowed to question these guys

Yeah, Muhammad said that suicide is not good in the eyes of Allah, but that doesn't matter to a child whose local imam tells him that the prophet also says he should devote himself body and soul to the struggle for Islam and uses THAT interpretation to twist suicide bombing into a legitimate course of action.

Fuse that kind of influence with the abject conditions that a lot of these people come from...you get sanctioned suicide bombers.

[QUOTE=Derka]Islam hasn't worked under a "it says this in the Qu'ran, therefore it is" kind of system in centuries in most parts of the world. Absolutism left Islam behind long ago.

Everything in the Qu'ran is subject to interpretation by imams and mullahs of hundreds of different persuasions. They more or less they get to tell adherents what parts of Holy Qu'ran do and don't matter and its entirely dependent on the interpreter's opinion. Furthermore, believers aren't allowed to question these guys

Yeah, [B]Muhammad said that suicide is not good in the eyes of Allah[/B], but that doesn't matter to a child whose local imam tells him that the prophet also says he should devote himself body and soul to the struggle for Islam and uses THAT interpretation to twist suicide bombing into a legitimate course of action.

Fuse that kind of influence with the abject conditions that a lot of these people come from...you get sanctioned suicide bombers.[/QUOTE]

And the prophet is supposed to be the example that was set. If these people want to fight the Israelis then there should be a honorable way of doing it and not brainwashing children who mostly come from poverty.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]Wow, my university is gonna have a Q&A live video feed with students in gaza. Gonna check it out, will be really good to see AN ACTUAL KID LIVING IN GAZA'S PERSPECTIVE rather than bullshit news feeds.

Might ask if it's true that people sometimes act up injured for the cameras, like in those Pallywood videos. Gotta find a way to word it delicately.

My uni has a huge Muslim and Free Palestine society but all of them I've talked to are actually really really rational and calm people, who ask alot of questions about Judaism and loads of them I've even had the discussion about how Judaism and Islam are so similar, and how the Arab golden age with Maimonides every religion got along, and they agreed, haven't really run in to any psychos like the Hamas apologists on ISH or the people who are mass protesting the Israeli dance reviews here in London as "extensions of the occupation"


Arab golden age was an awesome time in human history, real muslims like Saladin were Arab leaders back then, now they just keep electing terrorists. Shit.[/QUOTE]

Arabs benefited greatly from the pilgrimage, so knowledge could flow from the far East to northern Africa. Scholarly cities like Timbuktu, Harar, Bagdad, etc. as centers of learning popped up and there was a great thirst for knowledge. Fast forward to today and we can see that progress has halted among most religions but especially in the Arab culture. The Arabization of Islam is something that concerns me especially in Africa. In Somalia were seeing a conservative brand of Islam that has no roots in out culture and in West Africa we have ancient libraries being put at risk in Mali due to this arab influence.

when i visited lebanon a couple years ago, i remember passing by something that looked like a ghetto flea market. when we stopped at a nearby gas station for a piss break, our tour guide said that area wasn't a local flea market, but actually a camp for palestinian refuges who had nowhere to go when they lost their land. the refuges were living in dirty tents. pretty horrible conditions like a sh!t hole. they've been there for several decades too, and they pretty much live as 5th class citizens. by law, they aren't allowed to get regular jobs, and their children, even if born in lebanon, are forever recognized as refuges only and do not have much rights at all. needless to say, it's a pretty f--ked up social and economic condition. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to observe why some of them are so pissed off and pushed off the edge.

[CODE][/CODE][QUOTE=DCL]when i visited lebanon a couple years ago, i remember passing by something that looked like a ghetto flea market. when we stopped at a nearby gas station for a piss break, our tour guide said that area wasn't a local flea market, but actually a camp for palestinian refuges who had nowhere to go when they lost their land. the refuges were living in dirty tents. pretty horrible conditions like a sh!t hole. they've been there for several decades too, and they pretty much live as 5th class citizens. by law, they aren't allowed to get regular jobs, and their children, even if born in lebanon, are forever recognized as refuges only and do not have much rights at all. needless to say, it's a pretty f--ked up social and economic condition. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to observe why some of them are so pissed off and pushed off the edge.[/QUOTE]
And Israel is responsible for the way Lebanon treats them?:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Nick Young][CODE][/CODE]
And Israel is responsible for the way Lebanon treats them?:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]


did i say that?

you ask wrong questions.

ask why do they have to be refuges in the first place.

Why did the Mufti work w/ Germany during WWII?

Why did Palestinian nationalism not exist prior to 1967?

Why do Hamas, Hez., etc, distribute the same anti-Semitic literature that the Third Reich did?

BTW: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries[/url]

Hamas executes 6 suspected Israeli collaborators, drag bodies through the streets

[url]http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_22034428/hamas-executes-six-suspected-collaborators-israel-body-dragged[/url]

I'm not gonna embed this pic because it's fcked up:

[url]http://i.huffpost.com/gen/870854/thumbs/r-HAMAS-large570.jpg[/url]

And here's some video before Millwad calls the whole thing a fake

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhhwvG6KU5E[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fB2JDlTFnk[/url]

These are the people Israel is trying to "negotiate" with, lol

[QUOTE=DCL]when i visited lebanon a couple years ago, i remember passing by something that looked like a ghetto flea market. when we stopped at a nearby gas station for a piss break, our tour guide said that area wasn't a local flea market, but actually a camp for palestinian refuges who had nowhere to go when they lost their land. the refuges were living in dirty tents. pretty horrible conditions like a sh!t hole. they've been there for several decades too, and they pretty much live as 5th class citizens. by law, they aren't allowed to get regular jobs, and their children, even if born in lebanon, are forever recognized as refuges only and do not have much rights at all. needless to say, it's a pretty f--ked up social and economic condition. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to observe why some of them are so pissed off and pushed off the edge.[/QUOTE]


Jewish refugees that came from Arab countries to Israel were given Israeli citizenship and help so they could move on with their lives and their refugee status could end so they could leave the past behind.

Arab/Palestinian refugees that came from Israel to Lebanon have been NOT helped, NOT given citizenship, and kept as refugees 2-3 generations later, for the specific purpose of keeping the refugee problem alive to use those people as pawns against Israel, forever

[QUOTE=bmulls]Hamas executes 6 suspected Israeli collaborators, drag bodies through the streets

[url]http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_22034428/hamas-executes-six-suspected-collaborators-israel-body-dragged[/url]

I'm not gonna embed this pic because it's fcked up:

[url]http://i.huffpost.com/gen/870854/thumbs/r-HAMAS-large570.jpg[/url]

And here's some video before Millwad calls the whole thing a fake

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhhwvG6KU5E[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fB2JDlTFnk[/url]

These are the people Israel is trying to "negotiate" with, lol[/QUOTE]

Extremely disgusting.

And I don't call anything with reliable sources fake, my discussion with Nick-Young was about the fact that he used the most worthless sources just to push for his agenda. Sites like a zionist blog, another blog which he claimed was from Huffington Post when in reality it was just some random guy from Texas who used the name "Huffington Post" in his blogspot-name. And another of his sources was the words of a soldier he claimed that he met when he was 14 years old.. And he was also trying to misinform people regarding events in the past, like Camp David. All I asked for was some reliable sources and honest posts instead of trying to misinform people.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa9E1X6NybE&feature=player_embedded[/url]

Powerful powerful stuff.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWJFC98jPrQ[/url]

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWJFC98jPrQ[/url][/QUOTE]

Have no time to watch it now but I must say, Vice have top-notch documentaries!

[B]Disclaimer[/B]: I'm not responsible for the constant subjective thread title changes, it's what the Webmaster believes to be the truth.

[QUOTE=dunksby][B]Disclaimer[/B]: I'm not responsible for the constant subjective thread title changes, it's what the Webmaster believes to be the truth.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, Jeff/Steve, but this is pathetic.


Seriously, when you go out and people don't agree with you on your standpoint, do you hold your ears? It's sad how you do this to your own forum, it leaves you zero credibility.. [B]The meaning of a forum is to share thoughts and discuss, not shutting people down, cuss at them and change their posts or delete their posts just because it doesn't fit your beliefs..[/B]

[QUOTE=bmulls]Hamas executes 6 suspected Israeli collaborators, drag bodies through the streets

[url]http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_22034428/hamas-executes-six-suspected-collaborators-israel-body-dragged[/url]

I'm not gonna embed this pic because it's fcked up:

[url]http://i.huffpost.com/gen/870854/thumbs/r-HAMAS-large570.jpg[/url]

And here's some video before Millwad calls the whole thing a fake

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhhwvG6KU5E[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fB2JDlTFnk[/url]

These are the people Israel is trying to "negotiate" with, lol[/QUOTE]
Because the Jews didn't to the same to nazi collaborators... :rolleyes:

I guess you're trying to say Hitler was right in not negotiating and just going for the genocide.