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[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]That's because Melo just went on a ridiculous hot streak while Durant has been playing closer to his usual level, which is great, but not difficult to see why Melo gets more attention lately.
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True, but it is a little weird that Durant's capping off a 28-8-5-2-1, 51/42/91 season on a 60 win team and it's almost becoming a mere footnote to the 2012-2013 season.
[QUOTE=KG215]True, but it is little weird that Durant's capping off a 28-8-5-2-1, 51/42/91 season on a 60 win team and it's almost becoming a mere footnote to the 2012-2013 season.[/QUOTE]
Probably because of westbrooks excellent play post all star break kinda overshadowing kd's season
If LeBron becomes the first unanimous MVP in the history, it will be a huge disgrace to the award history. What I mean is if Shaq didn't get all the 1st place votes in 1999-00 season(120 out of 121), LeBron does not deserve being the first unanimour MVP.
[QUOTE=KG215]True, but it is a little weird that Durant's capping off a 28-8-5-2-1, 51/42/91 season on a 60 win team and it's almost becoming a mere footnote to the 2012-2013 season.[/QUOTE]
Greatness of Lebron, the Miami win streak, Melo getting hot, Kobe...
But mainly...market. Which is hugely unfair, but if Durant was doing that in NYC as the best player of a 61 win team...it would be perceived completely different.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Greatness of Lebron, the Miami win streak, Melo getting hot, Kobe...
But mainly...market. Which is hugely unfair, but if Durant was doing that in NYC as the best player of a 61 win team...it would be perceived completely different.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I think the market has the most to do with it. LeBron's insane season, too, but if Durant was doing this in New York or LA, people would be losing their shit. He could cure a lot of that by winning a title this year, but no one's beating the Heat 4 times in 7 games this year.
[QUOTE=Odinn]If LeBron becomes the first unanimous MVP in the history, it will be a huge disgrace to the award history. What I mean is if Shaq didn't get all the 1st place votes in 1999-00 season(120 out of 121), LeBron does not deserve being the first unanimour MVP.[/QUOTE]
Chamberlain not winning in '62 was, by far, the most disgraceful voting in league history. In fact, he was slighted his entire career. How about his '67 season, when he carried his team to a then best-ever mark of 69-13? He "only" received 80 out of the 105 total first place votes.
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Chamberlain not winning in '62 was, by far, the most disgraceful voting in league history. In fact, he was slighted his entire career. How about his '67 season, when he carried his team to a then best-ever mark of 69-13? He "only" received 80 out of the 105 total first place votes.[/QUOTE]
Wilt probably had an honest 50 triple doubles that year and was probably double digits into quadruple doubles as well in '67 but blocks weren't counted. But he averaged 24 ppg which is left than half of what he averaged when he didn't win it in '62 and had 25 rebound to boot.
[QUOTE=Pointguard]Wilt probably had an honest 50 triple doubles that year and was probably double digits into quadruple doubles as well in '67 but blocks weren't counted. But he averaged 24 ppg which is left than half of what he averaged when he didn't win it in '62 and had 25 rebound to boot.[/QUOTE]
What was really compelling about the '62 voting, was that Chamberlain won by a large margin in his rookie season, playing on a team that had been i last place the year before, and taking them to a 49-26 record. Russell was a distant second that year in the voting, on a team that went 59-16.
In the '62 season, Russell's numbers were nearly identical to his '60 stats, ad his team record was similar, at 60-20. Wilt raised his '60 numbers significantly, and took that same basic roster, only older and with players playing worse, to a 49-31 record. And yet, he was well down behind Russell in the voting (51-9 in first place votes), and in fact, Oscar playing on a 43-37 team, had more first-place votes (13.)
But here again, go back and take a look at the MVP voting in every season in which Chamberlain played. There was certainly a suspicion of a conspiracy.
Someone honestly answer me.
If Lebron played a subpar game, would the Heat lose?
If Wade played a bad game, would the Heat lose?
If Bosh disappeared the whole game, would the Heat lose?
If Hakeem played a subpar game, would the Rockets lose?
There goes your answer. Hakeem's 1 ring is far more valuable than 3 of Lebron's. This is just the truth. Nothing but the truth.
[QUOTE=ripthekik]Someone honestly answer me.
If Lebron played a subpar game, would the Heat lose?
If Wade played a bad game, would the Heat lose?
If Bosh disappeared the whole game, would the Heat lose?
If Hakeem played a subpar game, would the Rockets lose?
There goes your answer.[B] Hakeem's 1 ring is far more valuable than 3 of Lebron's. This is just the truth. Nothing but the truth.[/QUOTE][/B]
No thats your opinion...Actually 1 ring = 1 ring your hate for lebron causes you to make outlandish statements...
Well in the 2011 finals lebron played bad and they loss so that's your answer
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No thats your opinion...Actually 1 ring = 1 ring your hate for lebron causes you to make outlandish statements...
Well in the 2011 finals lebron played bad and they loss so that's your answer[/QUOTE]
No, in that series Lebron played beyond subpar. He disappeared. Noticed how I have subpar, bad, and disappeared?
So that does not answer my questions. You didn't answer them one by one because you know the answer.
[QUOTE=ripthekik]No, in that series Lebron played beyond subpar. He disappeared. Noticed how I have subpar, bad, and disappeared?
So that does not answer my questions. You didn't answer them one by one because you know the answer.[/QUOTE]
It depends on the team they're playing and how the other role players are playing... I've seen games where Bosh and Wade played bad and the heat still won and I've seen games where lebron has played bad and the heat still won... Miami is a solid team we're more than a 3 player team
[QUOTE=#number6ix#]It depends on the team they're playing and how the other role players are playing... I've seen games where Bosh and Wade played bad and the heat still won and I've seen games where lebron has played bad and the heat still won... Miami is a solid team we're more than a 3 player team[/QUOTE]
That's right. You answered my questions.
Any of them can possibly play bad, yet the Heat will still win.
If Hakeem played bad, you think it's possible they still win? Check his stats for his 2 playoff runs.
So tell me Lebron's ring is weighted as much as Hakeem's? Nah.. The pressure on that man's shoulder to perform night in night out was tremendous. While Lebron could have 1 bad game in and here, or bad quarters in between, Hakeem doesn't have the luxury of a margin of error.
On paper, 1=1, but beyond that, respect and weight will simply be different for these 2 players.
[QUOTE=ripthekik]That's right. You answered my questions.
Any of them can possibly play bad, yet the Heat will still win.
If Hakeem played bad, you think it's possible they still win? Check his stats for his 2 playoff runs.
So tell me Lebron's ring is weighted as much as Hakeem's? Nah.. The pressure on that man's shoulder to perform night in night out was tremendous. While Lebron could have 1 bad game in and here, or bad quarters in between, Hakeem doesn't have the luxury of a margin of error.
On paper, 1=1, but beyond that, respect and weight will simply be different for these 2 players.[/QUOTE]
I can agree with you to a certain extend but you must admit lebron had more pressure to win a chip than anyone in nba history his whole legacy depended on that playoff run and he deliver... I'm sure you can respect that.
I can only remember 1 bad game lebron had in last year playoff run and that was game 3 vs the pacers which miami lost.
[QUOTE=#number6ix#]I can agree with you to a certain extend but you must admit lebron had more pressure to win a chip than anyone in nba history his whole legacy depended on that playoff run and he deliver... I'm sure you can respect that.
I can only remember 1 bad game lebron had in last year playoff run and that was game 3 vs the pacers which miami lost.[/QUOTE]
Glad to see you agree and see where I'm coming from.
Last year, game 6 I can definitely respect. But the other games, along with the championship this year.. is basically what I've stated. Just coast along, he can basically have a bad game here or there, won't matter. Heat have enough firepower to hold the fort and win the game, e.g. Wade and Bosh and now great role players.
So this year's ring won't be ranked in front of Hakeem's ring, considering everything: opponents, injuries, teammates, pressure, etc.
He's gonna surpass his mentor.
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[QUOTE=ripthekik]Glad to see you agree and see where I'm coming from.
Last year, game 6 I can definitely respect. But the other games, along with the championship this year.. is basically what I've stated. Just coast along, he can basically have a bad game here or there, won't matter. Heat have enough firepower to hold the fort and win the game, e.g. Wade and Bosh and now great role players.
So this year's ring won't be ranked in front of Hakeem's ring, considering everything: opponents, injuries, teammates, pressure, etc.[/QUOTE]
Do you also rank Hakeem over Kobe? Because Hakeem in 1994 and 1995 is better than Kobe in 2009 and 2010. And Kobe is just an above average Finals performer. 25 ppg on 41 FG%.
[QUOTE=Lebron23]Do you also rank Hakeem over Kobe? Because Hakeem in 1994 and 1995 is better than Kobe in 2009 and 2010. And Kobe is just an above average Finals performer. 25 ppg on 41 FG%.[/QUOTE]
I would, if Kobe only had those 2 rings.
But Kobe has 5, the other 3 which he was a major contributor and was of importance.
When it gets to 5 > 2, you'll need a lot more reasons for those 2 to be bigger than 5. I don't need to worry about that for Lebron and Hakeem yet. Even if Lebron tied Hakeem in rings, all those stuff I talk above stands. I'll give more weight to Hakeem, therefore his ranking in the top 10 is still higher in my book.
This thread is absolutely embarrassing, full of Lebron haters.
So far I've learned to diminish Lebron in any conversation just by saying:
- MVP's actually don't mean anything
- Anyone who has more championships than Lebron is better
- Even when Lebron has more championships they're somehow worth less
Some of you would argue 2+2=5 if it suited your agenda.
[QUOTE=ripthekik]I would, if Kobe only had those 2 rings.
But Kobe has 5, the other 3 which he was a major contributor and was of importance.
When it gets to 5 > 2, you'll need a lot more reasons for those 2 to be bigger than 5. I don't need to worry about that for Lebron and Hakeem yet. Even if Lebron tied Hakeem in rings, all those stuff I talk above stands. I'll give more weight to Hakeem, therefore his ranking in the top 10 is still higher in my book.[/QUOTE]
Do you also rank Kobe over Bird? Bird is the Superior Finals Perfoprmer, and he's also a 3x NBA MVP.
This is a very stupid logic. Kobe was not even the 2nd best player in the 2000 and 2001 NBA Finals. Miller, Rose, and Iverson put up better numbers than Kobe. Shaq was the undisputed best player in the Finals.
[QUOTE=plowking]This thread is absolutely embarrassing, full of Lebron haters.
So far I've learned to diminish Lebron in any conversation just by saying:
- MVP's actually don't mean anything
- Anyone who has more championships than Lebron is better
- Even when Lebron has more championships they're somehow worth less
Some of you would argue 2+2=5 if it suited your agenda.[/QUOTE]
This
4x NBA MVP, 2x Finals MVP > 1 NBA MVP, and 2x Finals MVP.
[QUOTE=Lebron23]Do you also rank Kobe over Bird? Bird is the Superior Finals Perfoprmer, and he's also a 3x NBA MVP.
This is a very stupid logic. Kobe was not even the 2nd best player in the 2000 and 2001 NBA Finals. Miller, Rose, and Iverson put up better numbers than Kobe. Shaq was the undisputed best in these series.[/QUOTE]
You're the only one who's lacking logic. I've answered all your questions, why do you keep jumping from one guy to the next? What's next, you're gonna ask me do I rank Magic over Kobe, Jordan over Kobe, :facepalm
I don't rank Kobe over Bird. And I've never said Kobe was the best player in those series. Don't see why you had to bring that up. Don't see why you keep throwing stupid questions out of nowhere really. WHY don't you dispute what I originally said about Hakeem and Lebron's ring weight?
Go buy some logic with your money, instead of the lebron ix's.
two of the illest ballers to ever play the game
[QUOTE=ripthekik]You're the only one who's lacking logic. I've answered all your questions, why do you keep jumping from one guy to the next? What's next, you're gonna ask me do I rank Magic over Kobe, Jordan over Kobe, :facepalm
I don't rank Kobe over Bird. And I've never said Kobe was the best player in those series. Don't see why you had to bring that up. Don't see why you keep throwing stupid questions out of nowhere really. WHY don't you dispute what I originally said about Hakeem and Lebron's ring weight?
Go buy some logic with your money, instead of the lebron ix's.[/QUOTE]
The 2012 OKC Thunder were a very good team. They beat the Lakers (09 and 10 Champion), The Mavericks ('11 Champion), and a veteran Spurs team in the playoffs (07 Champion). The Heat won the title because LeBron wanted to prove to the rest of the world that he's the best player in the NBA.
LeBron and the Heat bounced back after the Thunder beat them in Game 1.
[QUOTE=Lebron23]The 2012 OKC Thunder were a very good team. They beat the Lakers (09 and 10 Champion), The Mavericks ('11 Champion), and a veteran Spurs team in the playoffs 07 Champion). The Heat won the title because LeBron wanted to prove to the rest of the world that he's the best player in the NBA.
LeBron and the Heat bounced back after the Thunder beat them in Game 1.[/QUOTE]
lol.. good attempt, at least you aren't copy-pasting or just saying "this" to other people's posts. But how does it answer my argument?
I said Lebron can have a bad game, bad quarter here and there, and it would go unnoticed. Heat would eventually still win, because they have Wade and Bosh to step up, and this year other role players too.
Hakeem doesn't haven't that luxury. Every single playoff game, he had to play it like Boston Game 6 for Lebron. Now do you see what I'm talking about? If he had an off game, they were losing. Who else could they depend on?
That's why Hakeem's 1 ring will trump 2 or 3 of Lebron's. His ranking is still higher in my book.
[QUOTE=ripthekik]lol.. good attempt, at least you aren't copy-pasting or just saying "this" to other people's posts. But how does it answer my argument?
I said Lebron can have a bad game, bad quarter here and there, and it would go unnoticed. Heat would eventually still win, because they have Wade and Bosh to step up, and this year other role players too.
Hakeem doesn't haven't that luxury. Every single playoff game, he had to play it like Boston Game 6 for Lebron. Now do you see what I'm talking about? If he had an off game, they were losing. Who else could they depend on?
That's why Hakeem's 1 ring will trump 2 or 3 of Lebron's. His ranking is still higher in my book.[/QUOTE]
Both Wade and Bosh weren't 100% healthy in the 2012 NBA Playoffs. Bosh missed a lot of games in the post season. LeBron was Miami's best player in the first round up to the NBA Finals.
How many times Hakeem's team were eliminated in the first round of the playoffs?
I think it is silly to arbitrarily assign ring values such as "kobes first three rings only count as one, therefore he has 3" or "leref 0.5 rings :lol"
To claim something such as lebrons 3 rings = 1 hakeem ring is just straight up silly. If thats the case, then how many hakeem-rings does kobe have? How many does Jordan have?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994-95_Houston_Rockets_season[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Miami_Heat_season[/url]
If you would click the two links and scroll down, you will see that, for the duration of the playoffs, Lebron's performance relative to his teammates is very similar to hakeens performance. Lets not act like It was Hakeem + scrubs. I wonder if in many years from now, people will view bosh+wade in the same vain as Hakeem's teammates?
I think I can agree that Hakeem had slightly more impact than lebron, but not a 1:3 ratio :roll: :roll: , maybe something like 110% or 120% of lebrons.
Back to back FMVPs, along with 4 MVPs in 5 years secures Lebron in the top 10
[QUOTE=Lebron23]Both Wade and Bosh weren't 100% healthy in the 2012 NBA Playoffs. Bosh missed a lot of games in the post season. LeBron was Miami's best player in the first round up to the NBA Finals.
How many times Hakeem's team were eliminated in the first round of the playoffs?[/QUOTE]
None of that changes anything I said. I never said Lebron wasn't the best player out of the three. And guess what, even if Wade and Bosh weren't at 100%, they still allowed Lebron the margin of error to play bad here and there. So, good effort, but nothing you said there really matters or changed my argument. Guess you should go back to copy-pasting or quoting another poster's post and saying "this".
[QUOTE=UnbiasedGuy]I think it is silly to arbitrarily assign ring values such as "kobes first three rings only count as one, therefore he has 3" or "leref 0.5 rings :lol"
To claim something such as lebrons 3 rings = 1 hakeem ring is just straight up silly. If thats the case, then how many hakeem-rings does kobe have? How many does Jordan have?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994-95_Houston_Rockets_season[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Miami_Heat_season[/url]
If you would click the two links, you will see that, for the duration of the playoffs, Lebron's performance relative to his teammates is very similar to hakeens performance. Lets not act like It was Hakeem + scrubs. I wonder if in many years from now, people will view bosh+wade in the same vain as Hakeem's teammates?
Back to back FMVPs, along with 4 MVPs in 5 years secures Lebron in the top 10[/QUOTE]
/End Thread. LeBron will be a top 7-8 player of all time after this season.
[B]4x MVP and 2x Finals MVP Club ( Best player in the NBA Finals)[/B]
Michael Jordan - 5x MVP, 6x Finals MVP
Kareem Abdul Jabbar - 6x MVP, 2x Finals MVP
Wilt Chamberlain - 4x NBA MVP, and 2x Finals MVP
Bill Russell - 5x NBA MVP, possibly 8 or 9 Finals MVP
LeBron will be a part of this group if he wins another Finals MVP.
[QUOTE=Lebron23]/End Thread. LeBron will be a top 7-8 player of all time after this season.
[B]4x MVP and 2x Finals MVP Club ( Best player in the NBA Finals)[/B]
Michael Jordan - 5x MVP, 6x Finals MVP
Kareem Abdul Jabbar - 6x MVP, 2x Finals MVP
Wilt Chamberlain - 4x NBA MVP, and 2x Finals MVP
Bill Russell - 5x NBA MVP, possibly 8 or 9 Finals MVP
LeBron will be a part of this group if he wins another Finals MVP.[/QUOTE]
Back to what you do best, quoting others and posting random stats, just like I predicted :roll: :roll: :roll:
Hakeem. He didn't collude to win titles like Lebron did.